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Training Over 35 Lifter
1081

[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Good looking pulling, are you swapping sumo and conventional or was this just for shits and giggles.[/quote]

Good question. My low back has been feeling pretty good lately. I may stick with conventional for a while and see what happens. Dunno.

1082

It seems to be working for you so thats all that matters.

1083

You’ve definitely got that dip and hump the bar thingy down. Nice form.

1084

Wow. Just… wow. That was cool to watch. I was grinning ear to ear by the end.

I’m kind of amazed that you can just hover there… then lunge in, grab the bar, ass down, and yank! It takes me a while to get all set up and still I tend to screw up. Neat to watch.

1085

Nice pulling Git! Great form.

I’m slowly realizing that I don’t need to get my ass as low as I do. I mean, nobody else does…hm…

And i’m with you re: switching up the conv and sumo. Nice stuff, good sir.

1086

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
You’ve definitely got that dip and hump the bar thingy down. Nice form.[/quote]

I’m working on it. Re: hump the bar, I was consciously trying to be more explosive. I almost hurt myself doing 225 :slight_smile:

1087

Thanks Canada_K. I used to over-think it but I found it didn’t help. I just use a quick mental checklist now.

Maschy, re: hip height, there was a vid by Dave Tate that I found interesting. I’ll see if I can find it.

1088

[quote]Mascherano wrote:
Nice pulling Git! Great form.

I’m slowly realizing that I don’t need to get my ass as low as I do. I mean, nobody else does…hm…

And i’m with you re: switching up the conv and sumo. Nice stuff, good sir.[/quote]

When it comes to setup, and since you need to squat it off the floor to start, the part of the vid that you might find useful is his question ‘can you 1/2 squat or 1/4 squat more?’.
You have to balance hip height with back angle and blah, blah, blah.
Sorry for coming off like I know what I’m talking about.

1089

Oh but you do know what you’re talking about!

First off, thanks for the vid! This is really helpful for me since I’m training both conv and sumo AND doing oly, so basically its all be covered in 3 mins - nice!

I get the clean setup, I get the sumo setup, but i’m still confused by the conventional. So:

Shoulders behind the bar, check.

Don’t squat - you want to keep your back angled, will do.

Don’t put your shins against the bar, faaak…i’ll have to remember that too.

Also, are my knees supposed to be behind the bar? I guess if your shins don’t touch the bar then they don’t have a choice but to be behind the bar. But I always thought the bar was supposed to graze your thighs…

Btw, feel free to tell me to “STFU newb and go read a Rippentoe book!”

1090

[quote]Mascherano wrote:
Oh but you do know what you’re talking about!

First off, thanks for the vid! This is really helpful for me since I’m training both conv and sumo AND doing oly, so basically its all be covered in 3 mins - nice!

I get the clean setup, I get the sumo setup, but i’m still confused by the conventional. So:

Shoulders behind the bar, check.

Don’t squat - you want to keep your back angled, will do.

Don’t put your shins against the bar, faaak…i’ll have to remember that too.

Also, are my knees supposed to be behind the bar? I guess if your shins don’t touch the bar then they don’t have a choice but to be behind the bar. But I always thought the bar was supposed to graze your thighs…

Btw, feel free to tell me to “STFU newb and go read a Rippentoe book!”

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Maschy, in case you are interested

  • If you start with the bar about mid-foot, your shins will be 2-3" away.
  • As you get down into your stance and grab the bar, it will now be almost in contact with your shins. For me, if the bar is actually touching my shins I find it more difficult to pull back. I like about an inch clearance.
  • You will see that you knees come over the bar somewhat.
  • Quick checklist before pull is: butt down, contract erectors, get shoulders behind bar (not the whole shoulder just the mid-point), shift weight to mid / rear of foot, flex arms to straighten (so I don’t fuck my biceps),
  • Checklist while pulling is: squat the bar up (drive feet into floor), keep flexing erectors (if I stop doing this with any weight i WILL fuck up my back), bar touching legs all the way up (to keep bar close to centre of gravity), bring hips through, tell myself how awesome I am

Or, you can go on Youtube and watch guys bigger than me do it.

Cute avi. I like kitty-cats.

1091

You rock! Thanks so much for this!

1092

Your conventional deadlift form is really excellent. I thought you did sumo because you couldn’t do conventional.

1093

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
Your conventional deadlift form is really excellent. I thought you did sumo because you couldn’t do conventional.[/quote]

Thanks. Coming from you, since your lifts look great, that is a real compliment.

It was more of a low back health thing. I have a bit of history there and sumo made it easier to go heavy.
Or, more likely, I was impatient, chasing numbers and was lifting weights that were too heavy for my erector strength so I kept tweaking my back.

I do like sumo though. My low back stays fresh for squats and I like the safety margin.

1094

You are good at pulling, making it look easy. And, I KNOW its not easy!

I can’t believe you went back for that last one. Very bad-ass.

1095

I meant what I said that I used your sumo vid as a mental cue. You do have nice form with both DL styles.

1096

Good work on the deadlies, git. Solid pulls, those.

1097

^Thanks Charming fellow. Not quite to your standard but I’m working on it.

1098

Bench + (5s day)
bar x ?
140 x 5
190 x 5
200 x 5
210 x 4
200 x 5
190 x 5, 5

Incline bench
140 x 5
150 x 5
160 x 5
170 x 4

Close grip alternated with EZ curls
3 x 8 of each

1099

good info. I’ve always deadlifted with my shins right up against the bar. I’ll give myself a couple of inches of space and see how that works out.

1100

[quote]giterdone wrote:
^Thanks Charming fellow. Not quite to your standard but I’m working on it.[/quote]

Like hell! Figuring 425 is about 85% of what you can do, based on reps, that’s a 500 pull. Equal to anything I’ve ever done.