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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
Rain, what’s with the “you ABB’rs transfer your hate from dubya to the war” crap?

You are correct we don’t like this war and guess who took America there? Bush!!! So, doesn’t it make sense we are not going to be happy with him.

You keep talking like there is no connection between the two and we are just transferring our angst with something onto a totally unrelated object. Get a damned clue Ironhead!

If there was a president in office that you had voted for, then the intelligence would no longer be ‘doctored’, our military would no longer bekillers of the young and the innocent, and you would be all for the war on terror.

You can cuss and rant all you want, but what you have said in your last 3 or 4 posts pretty much sums up your ABB anti-war stance. You might not see what you are doing, but it is quite apparent to me.

I find it laughably absurd that you actually sit here and rant about dead babies and doctored intelligence when your own party was spouting the exact same intell - where were you then? That’s right Clinton was in office and all was right with the world - he wouldn’t lie to you. Not about that.

That’s the biggest load of reeking steaming horseshit you have belched thus forth. If Clinton had pulled this, as I have stated before, I would have called bullshit because it’s the height of stupidity! You get off your own partisan soap box, if Clinton would have pulled this you would be labeling him a war criminal following the party line and regurgitating Hannity’s talking points! [/quote]

Conservatives support their President in times of war, yes even cigar boy, Conservatives do not lessen our countries resolve with demonstrations, alarmism and habitual partisan complaining. We understand this is a nation’s cause, not just a Republican or Democrat President’s agenda action item.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
FCFighter wrote:
This is going to be a long war. Terrorism will not end overnight and it will not end with compassion and understanding.

Correction, it simply will not end, especially if there is no understanding of what creates a terrorists. I am not sure why any of you believe that a war on a concept would ever have the result of being “won”. As long as there are people with strong opinions that affect what they believe in, there will always be those willing to hurt others to achieve a goal. The real question is, how far do you extend yourself in the effort to battle a concept? Until all resources are gone? A nuke dropped on the Middle East today would not end terrorism.

Define victory in this situation.

There have been no more terrorist attacks on our soil since the War on Terror began. Maybe I am using a different definition than you are, but I say we are winning. we are killing a shitload more of them averyday than they are of us. Another point for us.

Fuck ‘understanding’ them and what ‘causes’ terrorists. They are murderers of innocent men women and children. I could give a shit why so long as they are exterminated like the vermen they are.
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The “why is a rapist a rapist, molestor a molestor,” thing does not work for me either. I could not care less why fanatics want to kill us.

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Just a quick note.

While these issues are deeply emotional, the moderators are not in the business of promoting or restricting any particular viewpoint.

They have other responsibilities which place demands on their time.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
Rain, what’s with the “you ABB’rs transfer your hate from dubya to the war” crap?

You are correct we don’t like this war and guess who took America there? Bush!!! So, doesn’t it make sense we are not going to be happy with him.

You keep talking like there is no connection between the two and we are just transferring our angst with something onto a totally unrelated object. Get a damned clue Ironhead!

If there was a president in office that you had voted for, then the intelligence would no longer be ‘doctored’, our military would no longer bekillers of the young and the innocent, and you would be all for the war on terror.

You can cuss and rant all you want, but what you have said in your last 3 or 4 posts pretty much sums up your ABB anti-war stance. You might not see what you are doing, but it is quite apparent to me.

I find it laughably absurd that you actually sit here and rant about dead babies and doctored intelligence when your own party was spouting the exact same intell - where were you then? That’s right Clinton was in office and all was right with the world - he wouldn’t lie to you. Not about that.

That’s the biggest load of reeking steaming horseshit you have belched thus forth. If Clinton had pulled this, as I have stated before, I would have called bullshit because it’s the height of stupidity! You get off your own partisan soap box, if Clinton would have pulled this you would be labeling him a war criminal following the party line and regurgitating Hannity’s talking points!

Conservatives support their President in times of war, yes even cigar boy, Conservatives do not lessen our countries resolve with demonstrations, alarmism and habitual partisan complaining. We understand this is a nation’s cause, not just a Republican or Democrat President’s agenda action item.
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Ironhead, my apologies, the above is the most repulsive load of horseshit that has been belched today.

Rockscar, do you realize how juvenile you sound “We conservatives do everything perfect nany nany nany, the liberals do everything that is evil” How mature that sounds beside being total 100% horseshit.

When Clinton bombed Bosnia to stop active ethnic cleansing and rape camps the conservatives derided him ad nauseam for it and still do! So, give it a fucking rest with the “we support our Pres no matter what because were perfect little angels” bullshit!

Basically what you are saying above is that you would never speak your own mind if it conflicted with what daddy says? And, you are proud of never using your own head and letting other people think for you!

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Elk - what makes you think that if we disagree with you that we have no ability to speak our own minds?

This is America - at least it was the last time I looked. I have the right to AGREE with the guy I voted for twice.

You have some very deep rage issues that you should get looked at. At the very least, go find some basis from to wage this ABB vitriole. This is a thread about the LONDON terror attacks. I’m not so sure what your hatred of Bush is even doing on this thread.

Can’t you go down to a recruiting station and hurl insults at the future baby killers that you have come out against today? Are they robots as well? The guys that choose to put their lives on the line in a war in which you you have labeled the US as the bad guys?

You are totally off the deep end. Your hatred is a bad thing. I guess you do have something in common with the jihadists after all - an all consuming hate of GWB and the War on Terror.

Must suck to be you.

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johngullick,

I disagree with everything you have said. I disagree with everything you stand for. Therefore, we probably shouldn’t waste each other’s time.

I wanted to reinforce to my English Brethren, that we are very proud to have you as allies. While others were accepted bribes and trying to act holier-than-thou, you stood with us. Through thick and thin. That is the mark of a true ally and friend. We are with you in this moment of need.

Please remember that the democrats in our country do not hold any significant power. They are reaping the reward for supporting the Iraqi effort, then turning against it mid-stream for some sort of political gain. I have repeatedly posted their unequivocal positions about saddam. They said the same things the President and the Republicans did. They believed saddam to be a mortal and growing threat. They knew he would strike again. Then they lost power. Instead of staying the course, they turned into whining brats throwing rocks.

There is a reason why our armed forces voted overwhelmingly for George W. Bush’ re-election.

Please rest assured that they will not be trusted with power any time soon.

One of your friends,

JeffR

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janoski,

Thanks for the kind words. Please answer my questions.

Thanks,

JeffR

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Elk - what makes you think that if we disagree with you that we have no ability to speak our own minds?

This is America - at least it was the last time I looked. I have the right to AGREE with the guy I voted for twice.

You have some very deep rage issues that you should get looked at. At the very least, go find some basis from to wage this ABB vitriole. This is a thread about the LONDON terror attacks. I’m not so sure what your hatred of Bush is even doing on this thread.

Can’t you go down to a recruiting station and hurl insults at the future baby killers that you have come out against today? Are they robots as well? The guys that choose to put their lives on the line in a war in which you you have labeled the US as the bad guys?

You are totally off the deep end. Your hatred is a bad thing. I guess you do have something in common with the jihadists after all - an all consuming hate of GWB and the War on Terror.

Must suck to be you.[/quote]

Ironhead, weak attempt to play headgames, really weak! I’ll go to the recruiting station and hurl insults if you go and resign up to go fight in your lordships war.

You lecturing on rage…Bahahahahah!!! That belongs on the “Hysterical Words” quotes. Nearly every post you ever make you’re cussing up a storm picking fights with women, college boys, and teenagers, you remember the phrase about living in glass houses?

Well, Ironhead, I’m off to do some night catfishing so I’ll have to wait till tomorrow to check what tactic you come up with next.

Love,

Elk

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
FCFighter wrote:
This is going to be a long war. Terrorism will not end overnight and it will not end with compassion and understanding.

Correction, it simply will not end, especially if there is no understanding of what creates a terrorists. I am not sure why any of you believe that a war on a concept would ever have the result of being “won”. As long as there are people with strong opinions that affect what they believe in, there will always be those willing to hurt others to achieve a goal. The real question is, how far do you extend yourself in the effort to battle a concept? Until all resources are gone? A nuke dropped on the Middle East today would not end terrorism.[/quote]

That’s a big 10-4, Prof. I understand being in Iraq is a big recruiting tool for Al-Zarqawi and Al Queda. Guantanamo may be too. This may “create” terrorists because these extremists can convince impressionable young men into believing we are waging a religious war and trying to permanently occupy their homeland.

That being said…we did not start this. We are not fighting against Iraqis anymore. Unless you call living in freedom, instead of oppression under strict Islamic law a reason to hate and kill us.

Yeh, I’m sure they have strong opinions about our decadent and “immoral” lifestyles according to the Quaran.

I am not a war-monger. I don’t like seeing our men and women killed either. But you don’t negotiate with terrorists.

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
Rain, what’s with the “you ABB’rs transfer your hate from dubya to the war” crap?

You are correct we don’t like this war and guess who took America there? Bush!!! So, doesn’t it make sense we are not going to be happy with him.

You keep talking like there is no connection between the two and we are just transferring our angst with something onto a totally unrelated object. Get a damned clue Ironhead!

If there was a president in office that you had voted for, then the intelligence would no longer be ‘doctored’, our military would no longer bekillers of the young and the innocent, and you would be all for the war on terror.

You can cuss and rant all you want, but what you have said in your last 3 or 4 posts pretty much sums up your ABB anti-war stance. You might not see what you are doing, but it is quite apparent to me.

I find it laughably absurd that you actually sit here and rant about dead babies and doctored intelligence when your own party was spouting the exact same intell - where were you then? That’s right Clinton was in office and all was right with the world - he wouldn’t lie to you. Not about that.

That’s the biggest load of reeking steaming horseshit you have belched thus forth. If Clinton had pulled this, as I have stated before, I would have called bullshit because it’s the height of stupidity! You get off your own partisan soap box, if Clinton would have pulled this you would be labeling him a war criminal following the party line and regurgitating Hannity’s talking points!

Conservatives support their President in times of war, yes even cigar boy, Conservatives do not lessen our countries resolve with demonstrations, alarmism and habitual partisan complaining. We understand this is a nation’s cause, not just a Republican or Democrat President’s agenda action item.

Ironhead, my apologies, the above is the most repulsive load of horseshit that has been belched today.

Rockscar, do you realize how juvenile you sound “We conservatives do everything perfect nany nany nany, the liberals do everything that is evil” How mature that sounds beside being total 100% horseshit.

When Clinton bombed Bosnia to stop active ethnic cleansing and rape camps the conservatives derided him ad nauseam for it and still do! So, give it a fucking rest with the “we support our Pres no matter what because were perfect little angels” bullshit!

Basically what you are saying above is that you would never speak your own mind if it conflicted with what daddy says? And, you are proud of never using your own head and letting other people think for you! [/quote]

Putting words in my mouth. I was stating how I felt and it was not meant to anger you…ok maybe it was…it’s soo easy to piss you off. You don’t need to swear either.

Anyways, London and the UK will be a lot more resolve with beating terrorisim now that they have been hit by extremists. I hope the whole world will back our fight against terror.

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[quote]deanosumo wrote:
FCFighter wrote:

Maybe we should follow the advice of a famous Muslim:“BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.”

Right wing retard of the day: you.

There have been some left wing tards on this thread too
[/quote]

Dean, ever heard of irony? Malcolm X, a Muslim, said that. I realize his fight was not middle-eastern terrorists fight, but when a Muslim doesn’t play by the rules, it’s OK. We don’t play by the rules and we’re suppossed to be “the example” for the rest of the civilized world.

I’m not advocating nukes. I’m merely pointing out the fact that we have one-hand tied behind our backs.

Oh, yeh. Left-wing dumb-ass(es) of the month: You…and Dick Durbin.

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[quote]Janoski wrote:
First of all, I have heard the old saying many a time that arguing with an idiot is an exercise in futility, but I’ll bite on your incredibly childish remarks about me crying when Bush got reelected.

First of all, I want to know where you live. Just what state, I mean. Because I live in Jersey, and no matter what spectrum of the political map you are on, if you live in Jersey, Northern Jersey especially, you felt 9/11 way more than anyone else aside from New York City.

Aside from this, how many times have you been to New York? Do you ever take the subway? Do you know how increibly easy it is to put a bomb in the subway? Do you realize how lax the security is in Newark airport? Have you been there? Have you seen the idiots who check the baggage?

Hell, two of the hijackers booked their tickets for that fateful plane ride in a nearby town’s public library, on the computer’s free internet service. Do you really think the war in Iraq has made things any harder to get away with?

If this war is having no effect on potential terrorist attacks, as I see that it isnt, then why wage it.

And as for God blessing the English, they dont need it. I am Irish, and even I have to say they are tough bastards who survived firebombings on their capital and things we Americans could never imagine. They can take care of themselves.[/quote]

This war is having affect. Your comment is absoultely a lay-over and give up attitude. That is exactly what they want, and if we do that it will get worse. To give up in Afganistan and Iraq would be suicide for the us and the world.

For you to slam someone for saying God bless England and additionally that Americans are the soft ones is retarded-like thinking. YOU are the soft one for even considering giving up our cause.

Long live London! Terrorists will die!

Live free…OR DIE. (New Hampshire)

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What granola farm do you live on bud? This is another statement that shows limited thought capacity and mental irregularity.

EVIL= Terrorists and their Bombings

Good= Anyone against the terrorists

…unless you see it the other way around.

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[quote]georgebushrules wrote:
Just started posted to this forum, so hopefully people wont breeze by this post.

When are people going to realize that terrorists hate the civilized, democratic world! This debate is awesome and is the exact reason why these terrorist hate us. Al-quaida is real and terrorism is real. When are the libs and peace-nicks going to wake up!

The terrorist want us to sulk in our pity, but us free willed, free spirited people will have a much greater resolve than these cowards and courageless piles of dung. Hopefully, this will wake the liberals and michael moore’s of the world realize their is an immanent threat to our civilized world.

God Bless those victims and those who have lost loved ones. And God Bless the USA and our Allies who will stand up to fight and destroy these bastards!![/quote]

How do we destroy ‘these bastards’? When we kill one their husbands, wives and kids will jump to ‘the cause’. You’ve obviously not seen anything from Chechnya where Russia managed to turn a small handful of guerillas into an entire country opposing them via their cack handed, racist policies. The neo-cons need to use their brains and stop having such a simplistic, black-white world view. They need to stop pretending to be utilitarians and actually think beyond the next 34 seconds.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
johngullick,

I disagree with everything you have said. I disagree with everything you stand for. Therefore, we probably shouldn’t waste each other’s time.

I wanted to reinforce to my English Brethren, that we are very proud to have you as allies. While others were accepted bribes and trying to act holier-than-thou, you stood with us. Through thick and thin. That is the mark of a true ally and friend. We are with you in this moment of need.

Please remember that the democrats in our country do not hold any significant power. They are reaping the reward for supporting the Iraqi effort, then turning against it mid-stream for some sort of political gain. I have repeatedly posted their unequivocal positions about saddam. They said the same things the President and the Republicans did. They believed saddam to be a mortal and growing threat. They knew he would strike again. Then they lost power. Instead of staying the course, they turned into whining brats throwing rocks.

There is a reason why our armed forces voted overwhelmingly for George W. Bush’ re-election.

Please rest assured that they will not be trusted with power any time soon.

One of your friends,

JeffR[/quote]

I stand for human rights, acountability and legitimacy. I refuse to believe the dogma which suggests just because the US and Europe are rich and have powerful WMDs they rise above basic ethics. For me gonocide is somthing anyone can do, not just ‘towel-heads’.
I believe a white, anglo-saxan person killing, or a Jew killing, is as bad as an Arab killing because I genuinely believe we are all equal rather than just paying lip-service to morals. If you don’t stand for these things fine, that’s your perogative but I will never understand how you can be so uncaring.

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You don’t provoke them either.

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[quote]JohnGullick wrote:

You don’t provoke them either.

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Did black Americans “provoke” white America when they stood up for their God-given rights?

They came to our land unprovoked. They “provoked” us. By retaliating do you mean provoke? We can’t do much about the hate propoganda they preach inside their own homes to friends and family. Yeh, we do Psy-Ops…trying to win their “hearts and minds.”

Just backing down in not the answer. You don’t fight a fire by letting it burn itself out. You might let the whole town(world) burn in the process.

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[quote]JohnGullick wrote:
I am not a war-monger. I don’t like seeing our men and women killed either. But you don’t negotiate with terrorists.

You don’t provoke them either.

[/quote]

Chamberlin thought he had a Peace Agreement. Churchill thought otherwise.

Maybe Hitler would have stopped after France and Russia.

Being and Infidel is provaction enough to the fanatic. Provoke indeed.

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[quote]JohnGullick wrote:
How do we destroy ‘these bastards’? When we kill one their husbands, wives and kids will jump to ‘the cause’. You’ve obviously not seen anything from Chechnya where Russia managed to turn a small handful of guerillas into an entire country opposing them via their cack handed, racist policies. The neo-cons need to use their brains and stop having such a simplistic, black-white world view. They need to stop pretending to be utilitarians and actually think beyond the next 34 seconds.[/quote]

Terrorism bad. Democracy good. We want terrorism gone. Wiped out. And everyone that contributes to its cause should be handed the same fate.

How fucking involved, or ‘vroom-like’, or ‘complicated’ do you wnat this to be?

What irks the bleeding heart dipshits is that this war is as black and white as any war has been since Viet Nam. Wait a minute. WAIT A MINUTE!! That’s exactly what the McGovern/Clinton/Durbin America haters want this to be - Their own little Viet Nam.

Well fuck off pinkos - we are winning this war in spite of how much you hate this country and/or GWB.

And it need not be any more complex than that.

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[quote]hedo wrote:

Being and Infidel is provaction enough to the fanatic.

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“But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace” (The Quran 8:61)

[109:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[109:1] Say, "O you rejectors [of Islam].
[109:2] "I do not worship what you worship.
[109:3] "Nor do you worship what I worship.
[109:4] "Nor will I ever worship what you worship.
[109:5] "Nor will you ever worship what I worship.
[109:6] “To you is your religion, and to me is my religion.”

you see, the problem with these “fanatics” is they are never taught the Qur’an… they are usually not very smart people, and rely on what they are told by those who recruit them. Anyone who actually studies the Qur’an cannot do those acts that these people do… they must leave non-Muslims to practice their own religion, and they must never touch a non-Muslim unless he become an agressor against Muslims.