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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
A US citizen becoming president isn’t impossible.

Flying like superman is.

Being more muscular and developed than Big Ron as a natural is

Winning the Olympia at age 95 is.

What is so wrong with admitting human beings have physical limitations? They’re jus facts.[/quote]

nobody denies that but you can always get better at what you do than you are now imo[/quote]

Completely agree. No one has ever, to my knowledge, said not to be the best that they can be.
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My befiel and my point of our discussion is when you said “Do some here not believe in such thing as reaching ones genetic potential?” that you wont ever achieve a “limit” where there is zero to gain but there is always a way to progress though it gets harder and harder but you can always improve even if its just very small.

Maybe i misinterpreted something

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

You also agree that this is a naturally attainable physique? Well, actually, a physique that is bigger and more muscular than this?
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Dear Lord. This is pointless. You do not understand what is possible or probable.

Ask yourself, are you saying that a person with a myostatin gene mutation can never come anywhere near that at all in any realm of possibility?[/quote]

So, in your opinion, this is or is not a physique that can be surpassed by a natural lifter?[/quote]
Smashingweights are you Gregron?[/quote]

No, I am SmashingWeights. Are you gregron?[/quote]
No but you forgot to capitalise Gregron though I am not sure if thats the way he did it also[/quote]
I am typing from a mobile device and it is responsible for all of my capitalizations or lack thereof.
I will post an avatar photo just for you Mr Alex :)[/quote]
Dont bother not interested

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We’re really using medical conditions to bolster our arguments now?

This entire thread is ridiculous.

Brick throws out some very general guidelines about what has been achieved and gets persecuted because he’s setting limits? The truth is, any lifetime natural should shoot for these guidelines and know that they did a pretty good job if they are reached. And once you’re there, do whatever you can to pass them if possible, great. It’s not like the possible genetic anomaly that is capable of passing these limits is going to be hindered by them because they read about it on an internet forum.

These shit storms would be far fewer if people just said “yeah, I disagree that this is a limit” and moved on. It’s not like anyone here is changing anyone’s mind.

Personally, I think this forum would be much better used if we all started talking about more methods of getting bigger, stronger and leaner instead of these theory driven debates about all kinds of shit that doesn’t matter.

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[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
A US citizen becoming president isn’t impossible.

Flying like superman is.

Being more muscular and developed than Big Ron as a natural is

Winning the Olympia at age 95 is.

What is so wrong with admitting human beings have physical limitations? They’re jus facts.[/quote]

nobody denies that but you can always get better at what you do than you are now imo[/quote]

Completely agree. No one has ever, to my knowledge, said not to be the best that they can be.
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My befiel and my point of our discussion is when you said “Do some here not believe in such thing as reaching ones genetic potential?” that you wont ever achieve a “limit” where there is zero to gain but there is always a way to progress though it gets harder and harder but you can always improve even if its just very small.

Maybe i misinterpreted something

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Thank you for your response. There seems to have been some miscommunication somewhere. I agree that there are always to progress but I do not believe that you can continually gain muscle mass until the day you die. Do you think at some point your muscles will reach their max size without chemical assistance? Maybe that is 5,10,15,30 years down the line? I do not know? No one knows one way or the other but I believe that to be true.

You can make progress by gaining strength, losing fat, emphasizing a particular muscle, what have you. I just do not think that a person can continually gain more and more muscle. At some point there is a tipping point and the human body declines with old age. I plan on busting my butt in the gym when that time comes so that I can hold on to as much of what I have built as possible :slight_smile:

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
We’re really using medical conditions to bolster our arguments now?

This entire thread is ridiculous.

Brick throws out some very general guidelines about what has been achieved and gets persecuted because he’s setting limits? The truth is, any lifetime natural should shoot for these guidelines and know that they did a pretty good job if they are reached. And once you’re there, do whatever you can to pass them if possible, great. It’s not like the possible genetic anomaly that is capable of passing these limits is going to be hindered by them because they read about it on an internet forum.

These shit storms would be far fewer if people just said “yeah, I disagree that this is a limit” and moved on. It’s not like anyone here is changing anyone’s mind.

Personally, I think this forum would be much better used if we all started talking about more methods of getting bigger, stronger and leaner instead of these theory driven debates about all kinds of shit that doesn’t matter. [/quote]

I just took issue with the term “impossible”. I don’t think it’s a healthy outlook and won’t really help anybody get the biggest, the strongest or the leanest regardless of method. So having said that:

Yeah, I do believe there is a limit to what someone can achieve.
No, I don’t think it makes any sense to pay that limit any mind.
Yes, I believe that goals are not only productive but also crucial in developing self-efficacy.

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Sorry smashingweights my last reply on rereading it seemed a bit snotty sorry for that. Its just your posts reminded me of Gregron thats all

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[quote]steven alex wrote:
Sorry smashingweights my last reply on rereading it seemed a bit snotty sorry for that. Its just your posts reminded me of Gregron thats all[/quote]
Things are easily misconstrued or misinterpreted on the Internet. It is not a problem.

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He isn’t.

He’s all right though, a lot more interesting than GymTimeNYC :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

You also agree that this is a naturally attainable physique? Well, actually, a physique that is bigger and more muscular than this?
[/quote]

Dear Lord. This is pointless. You do not understand what is possible or probable.

Ask yourself, are you saying that a person with a myostatin gene mutation can never come anywhere near that at all in any realm of possibility?[/quote]

So, in your opinion, this is or is not a physique that can be surpassed by a natural lifter?[/quote]
Smashingweights are you Gregron?[/quote]

No, I am SmashingWeights. Are you gregron?[/quote]

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have lost many pics recently from my computer because it broke and I don’t have a smart phone and I’m not the biggest picture taker, but here’s one I have (yeah, it’s not shirtless). X, you can say I look worse all you want. I don’t look terrible. And at least I can wear a pair of Under Armor which some people think looks good on me. [/quote]

Dood, nice quads. FWIW you get my vote over X.[/quote]

Thanks for the compliment.

I don’t ever like to get into it with someone but “I look better” was inapplicable to our conversation. Sometimes the way he speaks is as if others don’t know what they’re doing.

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[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have lost many pics recently from my computer because it broke and I don’t have a smart phone and I’m not the biggest picture taker, but here’s one I have (yeah, it’s not shirtless). X, you can say I look worse all you want. I don’t look terrible. And at least I can wear a pair of Under Armor which some people think looks good on me. [/quote]

Great stuff man! How tall/heavy are you?[/quote]

I’m 5’10". This pic was taken late last summer (again, so many pics have been lost and I’m not a big picture taker). I think I was something like 210 in the picture. I have been more muscular (and fatter) at times in the past. As I’ve said elsewhere, I wanted to keep going with it, get back my old size and compete just once before I get married and have a kid. Sometime in the fall, I made the decision that I can’t compete for some specific reasons (which I don’t mind sharing if anyone’s interested), and have just done general stuff since and will be joining a Crossift gym very soon, probably next week.

Also as I’ve said elsewhere, in the Brickhead-How Do You Train thread, I’m somewhat disappointed I never fulfilled my potential in muscular gains and should’ve done something competitive much earlier on in life and just gotten it out the way to experience it.

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[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have lost many pics recently from my computer because it broke and I don’t have a smart phone and I’m not the biggest picture taker, but here’s one I have (yeah, it’s not shirtless). X, you can say I look worse all you want. I don’t look terrible. And at least I can wear a pair of Under Armor which some people think looks good on me. [/quote]

wow, not the greatest pic but quads seem to be highly developed! i am a little bit jealous right now![/quote]

Thanks for the compliment. And thanks PB Andy too.

My quads and biceps have been a strong point even before lifting, so I never had to think much about training them. For quads, just different squat variations and lunges or stepups. For biceps, chinup and pullup variations and any kind of curl did the trick.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m nothing special and just a regular gymrat.

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I am TOTALLY on px side. I bet within the next 50 years he can transform his single digit IQ in double digits.
Well i feel generous so i allow him the right to reach triple digit by the time he reaches a Billion posts.
Maybe a bit more i do not like LIMITS !

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Perhaps “deplorable” was too strong of a word when describing X’s behavior. But saying to someone in a debate about a topic, “I look better” is plain old rude and disrespectful, even if it’s true or not. For example, I work and have worked, with some poor people, some so poor that they work two jobs to provide for themselves or family or receive food stamps and public housing or other forms of assistance, such as CNA’s and foodservice workers.

I’m middle class, so I don’t experience the same worries as they do. One time after Hurricane Sandy, we had to wait one week til we received our paychecks because of electrical damage. Does anyone think if I was in a difficult conversation with one of them it would be appropriate to say, “Yeah, but I have more money than you?” How would they feel as they pondered their poverty for that moment?

Or would it be appropriate for some rich person to say the same, or for some pretty woman, in an uncomfortable conversation with another woman to say, “Yeah, but I’m prettier than you,” whether it’s true or not. It’s goddamn rude, and in some cases totally undeserved and can be hurtful, you know, more hurtful than breaking the news to someone that they’re not gonna be on par with Ronnie Coleman naturally or that they’re not going to build 80 pounds of LBM naturally, regardless of what they believe!

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[quote]tworkinhard wrote:
Damn Brick! And all this time I thought you were some skinny nerd! Looking great man, jealous of the quads.

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Thanks a lot.

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[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

It is this type of thinking that send many people into drug use when they could have easily made even more progress naturally.

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And if that someone has that decent genetic and want to go somewhere with this, what is the advantage, in your opinion, of “making even more progress naturally”?

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BUMPP THIS POST, so much truth in it.

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[quote]hastalles wrote:
I don’t know why I’m even posting this. It’s probably just gonna cause a ton more shit. But I can’t keep my mouth shut anymore about it.

I honestly have no idea at all where all this hatin on Professor X comes from. I mean for fucks sakes, it seems to be the fashionable thing now to say he’s got all kinds of personality disorders!?? (As if you could possibly diagnose someone over the internet) [/quote]

Who diagnosed? It’s speculation, considering some of the most self absorbed and narcissistic behavior I’ve seen.

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Pretty much every post from Professor X I’ve ever seen has been reasonable and well-stated.[/quote]

So you like what he has to say. That’s fine.

[quote]
The crowds of you who instantly pick apart everything he posts for very unclear reasons (I can only assume insecurity and jealousy) are the ones that I’m far more disturbed by, to be honest. [/quote]

Ah, “insecurity” and “jealousy” two of the most common terms used when describing people who rely on intellect and aren’t suckers. I’m surprised you didn’t use the words “haters” or “hating”.

If I felt jealous or insecure because of some guy’s muscles, I’d be mentally fried by now, and wouldn’t subject myself to such anguish by attending bodybuilding shows or stepping foot in some serious gyms.

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From a relatively outside perspective, it’s quite disturbing how some of you behave to another human being.[/quote]

Yeah, tell me about it. We’ve been disrespected and insulted enough.

[quote]

Steely’s two posts made the most sense in this whole thread (as his posts almost always do). I’m gonna follow in the footsteps of his last post. So bye.[/quote]

At least we agree on more than on one thing. I wouldn’t mind befriending Steely if I had the chance too.

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[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
x2 doubleduce

My focus is to just set S.M.A.R.T. goals and keep hitting them. It’s actually very limiting to have vague goals.[/quote]
Please end thread with these wise words.
Best Post[/quote]
agreed, apart from maybe Steely’s which is in line with my post, or Brick’s awesome picture response to Prof’s claim

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[quote]marshaldteach wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

So, in your opinion, this is or is not a physique that can be surpassed by a natural lifter?[/quote]

can you read? why ask obvious questions?

if someone did it with drugs someone can do it naturally if they were born with a weird medical condition

calling something impossible is idiotic

i think the people talking about impossible have no science background in general

maybe some math or biology or CS courses will help

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Lmao - you mean the dietician with a masters degree in sports nutrition? Or my degree in nutritional biochemistry? Lol - you really contribute ZERO - just another shit talker with a lousy attitude.

Go ball wash Px some more…

Let me know when you gain the next 84 pounds of muscle in 2 years naturally - LMAO - what a fucking joke.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have lost many pics recently from my computer because it broke and I don’t have a smart phone and I’m not the biggest picture taker, but here’s one I have (yeah, it’s not shirtless). X, you can say I look worse all you want. I don’t look terrible. And at least I can wear a pair of Under Armor which some people think looks good on me. [/quote]

Yes - now PX - shut your fucking yap with the insults - his physique is WAY better than yours.

And his legs absolutely blow yours away - lol - and don’t get me started on those calves - X looks like he’s standing on a pair of chopsticks. LMAO - what a tool.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Not really.

If someone were to start lifting seriously in their late teens or twenties, there will likely be no more appreciable or measurable gains past 30, and gains will most likely stop in the 30s completely. I think sooner. Though a limit is NOT AIMED FOR, there is a limit.
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This is nonsense. I would say “bullshit” but I’m trying to be nice.

I know many natural lifters who said they still saw progress into their 30’s and had been lifting since high school.[/quote]

Alright, so we both think one another are bullshitters. [/quote]

But I look better.

Your limits have no basis in science.

Please show some scientific support that your limits are set in a world of actual fact and not fantasy.[/quote]

LOL there’s no way you talk to people in real life the way you do over here.