[quote]steven alex wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Semblance of abs. [/quote]
But you arent saying that X looks like this guy are you? [/quote]
What I’m saying for the hundredth time is that “semblance of abs”, “veins in the biceps and delts”, and “separation in the quads” don’t have shit to do with estimating leanness or fatness because as we see here obese Donnie Thompson is sporting “semblance of abs”. So did Dave Tate at 20+% bodyfat.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
At no point did I say he is stage ready year round, unless you count 6 percent bf as stage ready…
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This: 6% is stage ready.
Your friends stats outdo every natural lifter of any sort, bodybuilder or powerlifter. [/quote]
That’s what two decades of absolute resolve and dedication get you.
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Yeah, outdoing every powerlifter and bodybuilder in lean mass over 6 decades. [/quote]
Ok you don’t believe me.
I have a question for you. How do body fat readings change as hydration status is altered significantly?
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I am glad i am a “bigger” guy too, my wife who is a THICK latina likes me big, she likes the fact that when she stands behind me in front of the bathroom mirror i completely block her from view, even now at only 210lbs.
i am also proud of my accomplishments in the sports i competed in, as modest as they were. i have no regrets…[/quote]
Hey, I’ve said it before, but most women seem to be able to tell the difference between big and muscular and “flabby” without all abs being in. Most of the women who like really big guys don’t seem to mind them looking like I did at times. Big difference between that and some 300lbs obese guy eating donuts all day and playing video games.[/quote]
People generally have this idea that girls like ripped guys with abs, my girlfriend must be the exception…
She absolutely loathes me lean[/quote]
She’s not, considering all sorts of men have women: ripped, obese, fat, rich, poor, nerdy, handsome, ugly, and so on.
Forgot who wrote in regards to this before.
Re: Pictures of TOP bodybuilders and powerlifters.
Point: Comparison of body composition of X at 290 and these men at SIMILAR (read: NOT EXACT) weights and heights. If X was “not fat” at 290, he would look comparable to these men. He wasn’t. I’d reframe from being this crude at this point but it’s now to the point of insulting people’s intelligence or taking advantage of their naivete for an ego stroke!
Anyone with a well trained eye and who understands and has followed bodybuilding–not even being decent bodybuilders themselves–can see the ridiculousness of the claim of having similar body composition to these guys at similar heights and weights, let alone doing it naturally and with a lower body that isn’t up to snuff!
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Live and let live. Lets keep the positive vibe, that this sub forum has seemed to adopt as of late, going strong.
It’s not that simple though is it. Despite the fact there are plenty of ways to skin a cat, when it comes to getting to the upper percentile of lean body mass development, the way x did it is the way that virtually everyone who has attained that level of development has, by eating a shit load. I know one natural lifter who doesnt compete anymore who is a lean 225 at about 5 7. And when I say lean I mean he stays about 6 percent accurately measured year round. [/quote]
A natural lifter at 225 and 5’7" who sports onstage leanness all year round.
Good one!
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5’7 225 natural at 6% body fat year round?
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All he eats is protein and salad. I personally think he’s crazy. He hardly ever cheats, I mean virtually never.
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Whats his name?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
At no point did I say he is stage ready year round, unless you count 6 percent bf as stage ready…
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This: 6% is stage ready.
Your friends stats outdo every natural lifter of any sort, bodybuilder or powerlifter. [/quote]
That’s what two decades of absolute resolve and dedication get you.
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Yeah, outdoing every powerlifter and bodybuilder in lean mass over 6 decades. [/quote]
Ok, whose the biggest natural bodybuilder at 5 7 you know of.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ok you don’t believe me. [/quote]
You seem like a nice, friendly guy to me, so I don’t have reason to believe you would provide false information intentionally; rather I think you are ignorant on the matter.
I don’t know. But I do know there isn’t some guy sporting more mass than Jose Raymond, Flex Lewis, and Kevin English at 6% year round.
Again, I don’t want to “e-fight” with someone like you and I apologize for being snappy before.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Forgot who wrote in regards to this before.
Re: Pictures of TOP bodybuilders and powerlifters.
Point: Comparison of body composition of X at 290 and these men at SIMILAR (read: NOT EXACT) weights and heights. If X was “not fat” at 290, he would look comparable to these men. He wasn’t. I’d reframe from being this crude at this point but it’s now to the point of insulting people’s intelligence or taking advantage of their naivete for an ego stroke!
Anyone with a well trained eye and who understands and has followed bodybuilding–not even being decent bodybuilders themselves–can see the ridiculousness of the claim of having similar body composition to these guys at similar heights and weights, let alone doing it naturally and with a lower body that isn’t up to snuff![/quote]
Yeah I get your point
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ok you don’t believe me. [/quote]
You seem like a nice, friendly guy to me, so I don’t have reason to believe you would provide false information intentionally; rather I think you are ignorant on the matter.
I don’t know. But I do know there isn’t some guy sporting more mass than Jose Raymond, Flex Lewis, and Kevin English at 6% year round.
Again, I don’t want to “e-fight” with someone like you and I apologize for being snappy before.
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He may be an inch taller, but he is definately shorter than me and I’m 5 10. Weight I’m sure of, and body fat also sure.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ok you don’t believe me. [/quote]
You seem like a nice, friendly guy to me, so I don’t have reason to believe you would provide false information intentionally; rather I think you are ignorant on the matter.
I don’t know. But I do know there isn’t some guy sporting more mass than Jose Raymond, Flex Lewis, and Kevin English at 6% year round.
Again, I don’t want to “e-fight” with someone like you and I apologize for being snappy before.
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He may be an inch taller, but he is definately shorter than me and I’m 5 10. Weight I’m sure of, and body fat also sure.
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It doesn’t affect bodyfat levels at all, but it does affect any measurement of lbm done based on body water. Therefore, your onstage diuretic laden body builders are carrying way more muscle than he is, because if he took diuretics he would shrink right down.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ok you don’t believe me. [/quote]
You seem like a nice, friendly guy to me, so I don’t have reason to believe you would provide false information intentionally; rather I think you are ignorant on the matter.
I don’t know. But I do know there isn’t some guy sporting more mass than Jose Raymond, Flex Lewis, and Kevin English at 6% year round.
Again, I don’t want to “e-fight” with someone like you and I apologize for being snappy before.
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He may be an inch taller, but he is definately shorter than me and I’m 5 10. Weight I’m sure of, and body fat also sure.
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It doesn’t affect bodyfat levels at all, but it does affect any measurement of lbm done based on body water. Therefore, your onstage diuretic laden body builders are carrying way more muscle than he is, because if he took diuretics he would shrink right down.
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He must have been quite a sight when he competed did you mention his name?
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ok you don’t believe me. [/quote]
You seem like a nice, friendly guy to me, so I don’t have reason to believe you would provide false information intentionally; rather I think you are ignorant on the matter.
I don’t know. But I do know there isn’t some guy sporting more mass than Jose Raymond, Flex Lewis, and Kevin English at 6% year round.
Again, I don’t want to “e-fight” with someone like you and I apologize for being snappy before.
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He may be an inch taller, but he is definately shorter than me and I’m 5 10. Weight I’m sure of, and body fat also sure.
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So this natural is better than some of the better enhanced pros to body build. Wow
[quote]steven alex wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ok you don’t believe me. [/quote]
You seem like a nice, friendly guy to me, so I don’t have reason to believe you would provide false information intentionally; rather I think you are ignorant on the matter.
I don’t know. But I do know there isn’t some guy sporting more mass than Jose Raymond, Flex Lewis, and Kevin English at 6% year round.
Again, I don’t want to “e-fight” with someone like you and I apologize for being snappy before.
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He may be an inch taller, but he is definately shorter than me and I’m 5 10. Weight I’m sure of, and body fat also sure.
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It doesn’t affect bodyfat levels at all, but it does affect any measurement of lbm done based on body water. Therefore, your onstage diuretic laden body builders are carrying way more muscle than he is, because if he took diuretics he would shrink right down.
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He must have been quite a sight when he competed did you mention his name?
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I’m not sure if he’d appreciate it if just openly put his name out there.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ok you don’t believe me. [/quote]
You seem like a nice, friendly guy to me, so I don’t have reason to believe you would provide false information intentionally; rather I think you are ignorant on the matter.
I don’t know. But I do know there isn’t some guy sporting more mass than Jose Raymond, Flex Lewis, and Kevin English at 6% year round.
Again, I don’t want to “e-fight” with someone like you and I apologize for being snappy before.
[/quote]
He may be an inch taller, but he is definately shorter than me and I’m 5 10. Weight I’m sure of, and body fat also sure.
[/quote]
It doesn’t affect bodyfat levels at all, but it does affect any measurement of lbm done based on body water. Therefore, your onstage diuretic laden body builders are carrying way more muscle than he is, because if he took diuretics he would shrink right down.
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He must have been quite a sight when he competed did you mention his name?
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I’m not sure if he’d appreciate it if just openly put his name out there.
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Yeah I can understand thats cool
Hey X thats a good new avi is that a beard you are sporting or is it shadow? You look like a black Demis Roussos
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
He may be an inch taller, but he is definately shorter than me and I’m 5 10. Weight I’m sure of, and body fat also sure.
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Doug Miller, Natural Pro Bodybuilder, and easily one of the thicker Pros out there. 5’9 (shorter than 5’10), competes at 186-192 lbs. Contest shape here, estimated at about 6-7% (4% is basically dead and dessicated according to all doctors I’ve spoken with).
Your buddy must be quite a sight.
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
He may be an inch taller, but he is definately shorter than me and I’m 5 10. Weight I’m sure of, and body fat also sure.
[/quote]
Doug Miller, Natural Pro Bodybuilder, and easily one of the thicker Pros out there. 5’9 (shorter than 5’10), competes at 186-192 lbs. Contest shape here, estimated at about 6-7% (4% is basically dead and dessicated according to all doctors I’ve spoken with).
Your buddy must be quite a sight.
S[/quote]
Never seen him with a tan like that, but he is lean as shit. He has retardedly huge legs. Forearm detail and serratus always visible.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
He may be an inch taller, but he is definately shorter than me and I’m 5 10. Weight I’m sure of, and body fat also sure.
[/quote]
Doug Miller, Natural Pro Bodybuilder, and easily one of the thicker Pros out there. 5’9 (shorter than 5’10), competes at 186-192 lbs. Contest shape here, estimated at about 6-7% (4% is basically dead and dessicated according to all doctors I’ve spoken with).
Your buddy must be quite a sight.
S[/quote]
Never seen him with a tan like that, but he is lean as shit. He has retardedly huge legs. Forearm detail and serratus always visible.
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Couple things. Illusion of size by insertions and general structure. The details you shared about serratus and forearms do not mean 6% almost or contest ready. Also there is no way to say he isn’t on the sauce without your knowledge. Every body has the ability to lie
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
He may be an inch taller, but he is definately shorter than me and I’m 5 10. Weight I’m sure of, and body fat also sure.
[/quote]
Doug Miller, Natural Pro Bodybuilder, and easily one of the thicker Pros out there. 5’9 (shorter than 5’10), competes at 186-192 lbs. Contest shape here, estimated at about 6-7% (4% is basically dead and dessicated according to all doctors I’ve spoken with).
Your buddy must be quite a sight.
S[/quote]
Never seen him with a tan like that, but he is lean as shit. He has retardedly huge legs. Forearm detail and serratus always visible.
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Couple things. Illusion of size by insertions and general structure. The details you shared about serratus and forearms do not mean 6% almost or contest ready. Also there is no way to say he isn’t on the sauce without your knowledge. Every body has the ability to lie[/quote]
Bodybuilders lie?
Who’da thunk?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That was the main issue with what Brick was writing before. His numbers are basically completely made up and the names dropped don’t justify it.
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Yeah, I know right. All made up and out of think air. I mean, I only went off of being a follower of bodybuilding and various other sports since 16 years old, routinely going to shows, degrees in nutrition and exercise physiology, socializing with my bodybuilding buddies (some competitive), reading various bodybuilding authors, and plain old LOGIC and COMMON SENSE.
Anyway, we know that you believe that the truly genetically gifted ONLY choose to go for the big bucks in pro sports. Funny how no natural athlete is sporting more muscle mass than the estimations we speak of here.
Oh yes, and let us not forget, there’s just an ENDLESS PIGGY BANK of spots in the NFL or NHL or NBA or MLB for EVERY genetically gifted specimen out there. After all, it just takes the genetics to make it, not to mention luck, work ethic, talent, financial support and other resources to make it.
Same with Hollywood too. There’s just an endless amount of spots for big time production and soap operas for every schmuck with looks and a good body.
Oh wait, I probably forgot, you know who’s natural or not. And a football or basketball player wouldn’t dare take anabolics.
Oh yeah, and men who’ve studied muscle metabolism far more heavily than I have doesn’t justify it. OK, since you know everything related to building mass, why don’t you tell us what or who justifies an estimation. Oh, wait, let me see… I’m waiting for one of these mealy mouthed answers of yours, “Who can say…?”, “We can make an estimation of…”, “Who are you to…?”, “How can you know…?” “How can you estimate…?”
