LIMITS

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Do some here not believe in such thing as reaching ones genetic potential?[/quote]

yep me. there is always room for improvement (through various factors nutrition, training, recovery etc.). I do believe that gains get smaller and slower as your progress more and more.

However i have not been hitting the gym hard and heavy for 15 straight years yet.[/quote]

So when you’re 65 years old you will still be able to keep improving and look better than you did when you were younger?[/quote]

I answered this in detail in the other thread. The human body does not stop gaining muscle at a certain age.

The human body at that age is in a fight for homoeostasis. It is losing and gaining at the same time in extreme age.

Please, don’t help Brick sell more non-science.[/quote]

I did not see your other post.

The issue being discussed is continual muscular gains right? As in, keep adding on new muscle tissue and getting bigger?

I may have things mixed up.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Do some here not believe in such thing as reaching ones genetic potential?[/quote]

yep me. there is always room for improvement (through various factors nutrition, training, recovery etc.). I do believe that gains get smaller and slower as your progress more and more.

However i have not been hitting the gym hard and heavy for 15 straight years yet.[/quote]

So when you’re 65 years old you will still be able to keep improving and look better than you did when you were younger?[/quote]

I answered this in detail in the other thread. The human body does not stop gaining muscle at a certain age.

The human body at that age is in a fight for homoeostasis. It is losing and gaining at the same time in extreme age.

Please, don’t help Brick sell more non-science.[/quote]

I did not see your other post.

The issue being discussed is continual muscular gains right? As in, keep adding on new muscle tissue and getting bigger?

I may have things mixed up.
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I just explained it to you.

The reason some bodybuilder in his 60’s looks smaller isn’t because he “can’t gain muscle anymore because he hit his 15 year limit”. At that age, it takes more effort to make any progress because muscle degradation is happening while muscle anabolism is as well…not because they STOP gaining muscle at a certain age.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
From TN’s favorite physique model:

“If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.”

- Bruce Lee
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Basically this.

This is like setting the limit that most kids in the projects won’t become doctors and lawyers…so they shouldn’t try.[/quote]

Screw that, I’m telling my kid he should become superman. No limits man. No limits.

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Yeah, muscular gain can happen for people in their 50’s and beyond… just the ones who didn’t lift before or at least not seriously.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Not really.

If someone were to start lifting seriously in their late teens or twenties, there will likely be no more appreciable or measurable gains past 30, and gains will most likely stop in the 30s completely. I think sooner. Though a limit is NOT AIMED FOR, there is a limit.
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This is nonsense. I would say “bullshit” but I’m trying to be nice.

I know many natural lifters who said they still saw progress into their 30’s and had been lifting since high school.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
From TN’s favorite physique model:

“If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.”

- Bruce Lee
[/quote]

Basically this.

This is like setting the limit that most kids in the projects won’t become doctors and lawyers…so they shouldn’t try.[/quote]

Screw that, I’m telling my kid he should become superman. No limits man. No limits.[/quote]

At l;east let him know he will NEVER be President…because that is so rare, he shouldn’t even focus on it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Not really.

If someone were to start lifting seriously in their late teens or twenties, there will likely be no more appreciable or measurable gains past 30, and gains will most likely stop in the 30s completely. I think sooner. Though a limit is NOT AIMED FOR, there is a limit.
[/quote]

This is nonsense. I would say “bullshit” but I’m trying to be nice.

I know many natural lifters who said they still saw progress into their 30’s and had been lifting since high school.[/quote]

Alright, so we both think one another are bullshitters.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Not really.

If someone were to start lifting seriously in their late teens or twenties, there will likely be no more appreciable or measurable gains past 30, and gains will most likely stop in the 30s completely. I think sooner. Though a limit is NOT AIMED FOR, there is a limit.
[/quote]

This is nonsense. I would say “bullshit” but I’m trying to be nice.

I know many natural lifters who said they still saw progress into their 30’s and had been lifting since high school.[/quote]

Alright, so we both think one another are bullshitters. [/quote]

But I look better.

Your limits have no basis in science.

Please show some scientific support that your limits are set in a world of actual fact and not fantasy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Not really.

If someone were to start lifting seriously in their late teens or twenties, there will likely be no more appreciable or measurable gains past 30, and gains will most likely stop in the 30s completely. I think sooner. Though a limit is NOT AIMED FOR, there is a limit.
[/quote]

This is nonsense. I would say “bullshit” but I’m trying to be nice.

I know many natural lifters who said they still saw progress into their 30’s and had been lifting since high school.[/quote]

Alright, so we both think one another are bullshitters. [/quote]

But I look better.

Your limits have no basis in science.

Please show some scientific support that your limits are set in a world of actual fact and not fantasy.[/quote]

Were you ever diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Not really.

If someone were to start lifting seriously in their late teens or twenties, there will likely be no more appreciable or measurable gains past 30, and gains will most likely stop in the 30s completely. I think sooner. Though a limit is NOT AIMED FOR, there is a limit.
[/quote]

This is nonsense. I would say “bullshit” but I’m trying to be nice.

I know many natural lifters who said they still saw progress into their 30’s and had been lifting since high school.[/quote]

Alright, so we both think one another are bullshitters. [/quote]

But I look better.

Your limits have no basis in science.

Please show some scientific support that your limits are set in a world of actual fact and not fantasy.[/quote]

Show me some scientific evidence and actual studies that I can’t learn to fly, or admit you are limiting yourself if you don’t try it.

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And at this point, being that you’ve gone from being annoying and bullshitting to outright disrespect and narcissism to the point of perversion, I hereby don’t give a damn about your sensitive self image or food addiction, or your sense of entitlement, or anything you have to say in your fantasy land and dreamworld. And at this point, if this were in real life, I would react the way Heavythrower would to your deplorable behavior: give you a short amount of time to step away from me or else I’d turn up the heat on the situation. And I wouldn’t give a damn about your size (read: 40 to 50 more pounds of fat that I’m not carrying).

Then we’d see just how much you push your blather and disrespect in real life amongst grown men.

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From having read the original quote in the thread I feel as if Brick’s tone and words were somewhat misinterpreted. Having measurable goals never hurt anybody. If you truly don’t want to set limits on yourself, hit those goals fast enough and knock em down one by one constantly setting new goals.

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I have lost many pics recently from my computer because it broke and I don’t have a smart phone and I’m not the biggest picture taker, but here’s one I have (yeah, it’s not shirtless). X, you can say I look worse all you want. I don’t look terrible. And at least I can wear a pair of Under Armor which some people think looks good on me.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have lost many pics recently from my computer because it broke and I don’t have a smart phone and I’m not the biggest picture taker, but here’s one I have (yeah, it’s not shirtless). X, you can say I look worse all you want. I don’t look terrible. And at least I can wear a pair of Under Armor which some people think looks good on me. [/quote]

Dood, nice quads. FWIW you get my vote over X.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have lost many pics recently from my computer because it broke and I don’t have a smart phone and I’m not the biggest picture taker, but here’s one I have (yeah, it’s not shirtless). X, you can say I look worse all you want. I don’t look terrible. And at least I can wear a pair of Under Armor which some people think looks good on me. [/quote]

Great stuff man! How tall/heavy are you?

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I seriously dont see the relation between someone setting limits on how much mass one can gain and whether we would be bad parents by telling our kids never to aspire to being president ( Prime Minister in my kids’case ). There has to be a limit to all physical endeavours however much you put your fingers in your ears and refuse to listen. The upshot though is it doesnt matter that no human will ever run an hundred metres in two seconds it doesnt stop the people training for the next Olympics trying to get better and better. PX I think your attempt here to link those physical limits regards mass gains with what we pass onto our kids as guidelines about what they can achieve in the wider world is disingenuous. It seems like an effort to make those who agree that there are limits to gaining mass seem to be wet, unimaginative and without aspirations

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Do some here not believe in such thing as reaching ones genetic potential?[/quote]

yep me. there is always room for improvement (through various factors nutrition, training, recovery etc.). I do believe that gains get smaller and slower as your progress more and more.

However i have not been hitting the gym hard and heavy for 15 straight years yet.[/quote]

A limit doesn’t mean you can’t get better. In math limits are used to describe cases of diminishing returns, which is exactly what physique development is.

But again, you still need goals to define what “progress” means. Not defining what progress is or isn’t to you individually is a good way to end up headed away from your ideal.

Is it progress to add 10 pounds of fat to get 1 pound of muscle? Is it progress to loose 1 pound of muscle while loosing 10 pounds of fat? Is it progress to add 20 pounds to your bench by adding 15 pounds to your body weight and going up a weight class?

Simply ambiguously stating “progress” is like generically heading east on a road trip when the goal is a specific destination that happens to be East. You’ll make more progress planning a route and following roads than you will just following the E on a compass.[/quote]

F.E. You can get to a point where it gets harder and harder gaining mass without sacrificing something as you said “1 pound of muscle for 10 additional pounds of fat” but how come its not possible to lose these and to maintain some of the new gained pound, of course this takes much more time overall than when you started (i believe it gets harder and ahrder) but still it is a progress ?

i meant progress towards your specific goal from the very beginning.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Do some here not believe in such thing as reaching ones genetic potential?[/quote]

yep me. there is always room for improvement (through various factors nutrition, training, recovery etc.). I do believe that gains get smaller and slower as your progress more and more.

However i have not been hitting the gym hard and heavy for 15 straight years yet.[/quote]

So when you’re 65 years old you will still be able to keep improving and look better than you did when you were younger?[/quote]

i dont know it, but i believe it :wink:

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A US citizen becoming president isn’t impossible.

Flying like superman is.

Being more muscular and developed than Big Ron as a natural is

Winning the Olympia at age 95 is.

What is so wrong with admitting human beings have physical limitations? They’re jus facts.

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[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Do some here not believe in such thing as reaching ones genetic potential?[/quote]

yep me. there is always room for improvement (through various factors nutrition, training, recovery etc.). I do believe that gains get smaller and slower as your progress more and more.

However i have not been hitting the gym hard and heavy for 15 straight years yet.[/quote]

So when you’re 65 years old you will still be able to keep improving and look better than you did when you were younger?[/quote]

i dont know it, but i believe it :wink:
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Haha :slight_smile:

You can “believe” it but it is just not reality. Human bodies age and deteriorate. That is just the way it is and that is ok. Circle of life and all that jazz.