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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Imagine what he’d look like if creatine had been around back then.
[/quote]

Ahhhh you are in fact trolling.
You just outted yourself right here.
It was good while it lasted though.
Do you really have MassiveGuns?[/quote]

How often do you ask guys if they have a massive dick? Are you obessed with other mens bodyparts or something?

If so I know a good therapist.
[/quote]

MG you win a cute award. Your 17" arms perfectly match your IQ. You might keep on trying but you will loose 99% of the time.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Imagine what he’d look like if creatine had been around back then.
[/quote]

Ahhhh you are in fact trolling.
You just outted yourself right here.
It was good while it lasted though.
Do you really have MassiveGuns?[/quote]

How often do you ask guys if they have a massive dick? Are you obessed with other mens bodyparts or something?

If so I know a good therapist.
[/quote]

?
Weren’t you the one asking about a penis?
Did you forget to log into a different account before you posted that?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Imagine what he’d look like if creatine had been around back then.
[/quote]

Ahhhh you are in fact trolling.
You just outted yourself right here.
It was good while it lasted though.
Do you really have MassiveGuns?[/quote]

How often do you ask guys if they have a massive dick? Are you obessed with other mens bodyparts or something?

If so I know a good therapist.
[/quote]

Isn’t the entire sport of body building based on interest in other men’s body parts?

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[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
This argument is really about statistics. I know, right? That shit is for nerds.

But seriously, that’s all this boils down to. MG, have you ever heard of means (averages) and standard deviations? Like for instance, the typical male of all races who has trained for 2-5 years may be (made up, so don’t ask me where I got the #s) 185lbs at 14% BF.

Then there would be a standard deviation of say 10lbs and 1% BF (again, made up just to illustrate my point), and for every standard deviation you move in either direction you will find less and less people in the population to the point where we are literally talking about one person in the entire fucking universe. It doesn’t matter what the real numbers are because the bell curve will drop off eventually regardless.

This is what people are driving at. No one is saying 50lbs is the magic number, or that 6% is as low as you can go at a certain height and weight or whatever. What we’re saying is based on real world observations, and all the information we’ve read over the years, we do not believe there exists a man who is natty and 5’7’’ at 225 at 6%.

We just don’t. Not because it is literally impossible, but that because, based on the above, this man would be such a fucking outlier that he would be a modern marvel - a genetic freak waiting to tear up all natural bodybuilding competitions across the world.

Can’t you understand that? Can’t you understand why no one believes you without a picture and documented info? If this is not a troll, then you are a silly dude. And I’m even sillier for trying to reason with you.

[/quote]

End thread.

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All I got from this thread is that Brick, Smashingweights, Utah and a few others know their stuff, Massiveguns is someone we all know well and that SS should give up his day job and entertain the world as he is a comic genius

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[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Imagine what he’d look like if creatine had been around back then.
[/quote]

Ahhhh you are in fact trolling.
You just outted yourself right here.
It was good while it lasted though.
Do you really have MassiveGuns?[/quote]

How often do you ask guys if they have a massive dick? Are you obessed with other mens bodyparts or something?

If so I know a good therapist.
[/quote]

Isn’t the entire sport of body building based on interest in other men’s body parts?[/quote]

Well it just sounds weird when you put it like that.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Is anyone else completely sick of these examples of men with SERIOUS, HARDCORE bodybuilder physiques… WHO DON’T LIFT!

Seriously, I live in a city of 8 million people and I’ve yet to fucking see any of these people!

And where are all these jacked doctors? I’ve been working in healthcare for a decade and I’ve yet to see more than two jacked doctors out of the hundreds I’ve seen or worked with![/quote]

Just go to a tire yard. Not everyone ends up in the weight room doing goblet squats and snatch grip deads. Fuck I knew people at school who were massive and didn’t lift.

City of 8 million? Great sample size and demographic. Accurate logical reasoning is your forte I see.
[/quote]

Great post![/quote]

Hey Brick, maybe you should stop sitting around counting your degrees and successful clients/years of experience and move to one of the 13 cities which have populations greater than the 8 million bracket. Get a little work ethic man!

/sarcasm. [/quote]

I know right. Get this: I’ve also worked for years in “the hood”. You know, the Bronx, Bushwick, Jamaica. I always wondered where the heck all these guys X speaks of–the ones with outstanding BMI’s from so much muscle with hardly any weight training–are residing.

(Thanks for the light heartedness. This place needs some lightening up.) [/quote]

Are you serious with this?

Yes, there are people who don’t lift weights who looks more muscular than some guys here who do train regularly.

That is all I have stated before. if you are denying this, you haven’t seen very much.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Is anyone else completely sick of these examples of men with SERIOUS, HARDCORE bodybuilder physiques… WHO DON’T LIFT!

Seriously, I live in a city of 8 million people and I’ve yet to fucking see any of these people!

And where are all these jacked doctors? I’ve been working in healthcare for a decade and I’ve yet to see more than two jacked doctors out of the hundreds I’ve seen or worked with![/quote]

Just go to a tire yard. Not everyone ends up in the weight room doing goblet squats and snatch grip deads. Fuck I knew people at school who were massive and didn’t lift.

City of 8 million? Great sample size and demographic. Accurate logical reasoning is your forte I see.
[/quote]

Great post![/quote]

Hey Brick, maybe you should stop sitting around counting your degrees and successful clients/years of experience and move to one of the 13 cities which have populations greater than the 8 million bracket. Get a little work ethic man!

/sarcasm. [/quote]

I know right. Get this: I’ve also worked for years in “the hood”. You know, the Bronx, Bushwick, Jamaica. I always wondered where the heck all these guys X speaks of–the ones with outstanding BMI’s from so much muscle with hardly any weight training–are residing.

(Thanks for the light heartedness. This place needs some lightening up.) [/quote]

Are you serious with this?

Yes, there are people who don’t lift weights who looks more muscular than some guys here who do train regularly.

That is all I have stated before. if you are denying this, you haven’t seen very much.

[/quote]

I will have to agree with X on this one. I have known a couple guys that worked on offshore oil rigs that didn’t train but were very impressively built. However even though they didn’t train when your job consist of heavy farmers walks, deadlifts, and other heavy manual labor for 84 hours a week 2 weeks outta the month then you can say that they may be working out harder than a lot of desk jockey gym rats.

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:

I will have to agree with X on this one. I have known a couple guys that worked on offshore oil rigs that didn’t train but were very impressive built. However even though they didn’t train when your job consist of heavy farmers walks, deadlifts, and other heavy manual labor for 84 hours a week 2 weeks outta the month then you can say that they may be working out harder than a lot of desk jockey gym rats.[/quote]

I know many who just play basketball. That is why I laughed at the “number limits” that were made before.

i am only guessing these guys don’t get out much. they aren’t my size, but I know many who put a lot of guy here to shame when they don’t even lift regularly.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

I will have to agree with X on this one. I have known a couple guys that worked on offshore oil rigs that didn’t train but were very impressive built. However even though they didn’t train when your job consist of heavy farmers walks, deadlifts, and other heavy manual labor for 84 hours a week 2 weeks outta the month then you can say that they may be working out harder than a lot of desk jockey gym rats.[/quote]

I know many who just play basketball. That is why I laughed at the “number limits” that were made before.

i am only guessing these guys don’t get out much. they aren’t my size, but I know many who put a lot of guy here to shame when they don’t even lift regularly.

[/quote]

My dad had a guy that worked under him a while back that was about your size maybe a little taller that picked up a 55 gal full oil drum and walked it across a room but couldn’t stack it. Said he only did the one and started rolling them but that’s nearly 500 lbs.

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

I will have to agree with X on this one. I have known a couple guys that worked on offshore oil rigs that didn’t train but were very impressive built. However even though they didn’t train when your job consist of heavy farmers walks, deadlifts, and other heavy manual labor for 84 hours a week 2 weeks outta the month then you can say that they may be working out harder than a lot of desk jockey gym rats.[/quote]

I know many who just play basketball. That is why I laughed at the “number limits” that were made before.

i am only guessing these guys don’t get out much. they aren’t my size, but I know many who put a lot of guy here to shame when they don’t even lift regularly.

[/quote]

My dad had a guy that worked under him a while back that was about your size maybe a little taller that picked up a 55 gal full oil drum and walked it across a room but couldn’t stack it. Said he only did the one and started rolling them but that’s nearly 500 lbs.[/quote]

When I mentioned things like this before, it got attacked with the usual nonsense.

Bottom line, the witch hunts don’t even make sense anymore.

If anyone thinks the average guy here has even “good average” genetics than they are off. I know too many guys in Houston alone who make most here look like newbs to believe in some of these “limits” being shouted lately.

That doesn’t mean I have to believe in the specific person massive guns is speaking of.

I just have enough life experience to know that saying some of these things are IMPOSSIBLE is as shortsighted as you can get.

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I will say the “farm boy” or “country strong” guys that I am talking about are getting much much less common though because manual labor jobs are becoming more automated and therefore these guys are not receiving the same stimulus that they once did and not getting the non-gym gains of their predecessors.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

I will have to agree with X on this one. I have known a couple guys that worked on offshore oil rigs that didn’t train but were very impressive built. However even though they didn’t train when your job consist of heavy farmers walks, deadlifts, and other heavy manual labor for 84 hours a week 2 weeks outta the month then you can say that they may be working out harder than a lot of desk jockey gym rats.[/quote]

I know many who just play basketball. That is why I laughed at the “number limits” that were made before.

i am only guessing these guys don’t get out much. they aren’t my size, but I know many who put a lot of guy here to shame when they don’t even lift regularly.

[/quote]

My dad had a guy that worked under him a while back that was about your size maybe a little taller that picked up a 55 gal full oil drum and walked it across a room but couldn’t stack it. Said he only did the one and started rolling them but that’s nearly 500 lbs.[/quote]

When I mentioned things like this before, it got attacked with the usual nonsense.

Bottom line, the witch hunts don’t even make sense anymore.

If anyone thinks the average guy here has even “good average” genetics than they are off. I know too many guys in Houston alone who make most here look like newbs to believe in some of these “limits” being shouted lately.

That doesn’t mean I have to believe in the specific person massive guns is speaking of.

I just have enough life experience to know that saying some of these things are IMPOSSIBLE is as shortsighted as you can get.[/quote]

This is where we have to disagree a little. I do think that the estimates given by brick and others are fairly accurate in regards to the genetic potential of a natural, fully matured individual. I think that a lot of these guys that we were just talking about who got really lucky with the genetic lottery will wont be able to pack the quantity of muscle on their frames that you are referring too because they are born to be big mofo’s and lifting makes them much bigger mofo’s but I think that 80 to 100 lb mark is accurate. I have no doubt that guys exceed gaining 80 lbs of LBM after the age of 18 but almost every naturally lean guy I know (whether they train or not) gets heavier after 18 because they are gaining skeletal mass and just filling out their frames. That was the point I have made all along. In the absence of the frame of the body filling out (not necessarily getting taller) giving you some unearned gains in LBM 80Lbs is a very reasonable limit.

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[quote]BHappy wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Imagine what he’d look like if creatine had been around back then.
[/quote]

Ahhhh you are in fact trolling.
You just outted yourself right here.
It was good while it lasted though.
Do you really have MassiveGuns?[/quote]

How often do you ask guys if they have a massive dick? Are you obessed with other mens bodyparts or something?

If so I know a good therapist.
[/quote]

MG you win a cute award. Your 17" arms perfectly match your IQ. You might keep on trying but you will loose 99% of the time.[/quote]

This isn’t a competition?! Its a win win as far as I’m concerned.

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[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Imagine what he’d look like if creatine had been around back then.
[/quote]

Ahhhh you are in fact trolling.
You just outted yourself right here.
It was good while it lasted though.
Do you really have MassiveGuns?[/quote]

How often do you ask guys if they have a massive dick? Are you obessed with other mens bodyparts or something?

If so I know a good therapist.
[/quote]

Isn’t the entire sport of body building based on interest in other men’s body parts?[/quote]

Yeah bodybuilding is for fags. So I’m told.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Is anyone else completely sick of these examples of men with SERIOUS, HARDCORE bodybuilder physiques… WHO DON’T LIFT!

Seriously, I live in a city of 8 million people and I’ve yet to fucking see any of these people!

And where are all these jacked doctors? I’ve been working in healthcare for a decade and I’ve yet to see more than two jacked doctors out of the hundreds I’ve seen or worked with![/quote]

Just go to a tire yard. Not everyone ends up in the weight room doing goblet squats and snatch grip deads. Fuck I knew people at school who were massive and didn’t lift.

City of 8 million? Great sample size and demographic. Accurate logical reasoning is your forte I see.
[/quote]

Great post![/quote]

Hey Brick, maybe you should stop sitting around counting your degrees and successful clients/years of experience and move to one of the 13 cities which have populations greater than the 8 million bracket. Get a little work ethic man!

/sarcasm. [/quote]

I know right. Get this: I’ve also worked for years in “the hood”. You know, the Bronx, Bushwick, Jamaica. I always wondered where the heck all these guys X speaks of–the ones with outstanding BMI’s from so much muscle with hardly any weight training–are residing.

(Thanks for the light heartedness. This place needs some lightening up.) [/quote]

Are you serious with this?

Yes, there are people who don’t lift weights who looks more muscular than some guys here who do train regularly.

That is all I have stated before. if you are denying this, you haven’t seen very much.

[/quote]

I think he’s lying to further his point. He’s blatantly seen people like that. How can you not?

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
This argument is really about statistics. I know, right? That shit is for nerds.

But seriously, that’s all this boils down to. MG, have you ever heard of means (averages) and standard deviations? Like for instance, the typical male of all races who has trained for 2-5 years may be (made up, so don’t ask me where I got the #s) 185lbs at 14% BF.

Then there would be a standard deviation of say 10lbs and 1% BF (again, made up just to illustrate my point), and for every standard deviation you move in either direction you will find less and less people in the population to the point where we are literally talking about one person in the entire fucking universe. It doesn’t matter what the real numbers are because the bell curve will drop off eventually regardless.

This is what people are driving at. No one is saying 50lbs is the magic number, or that 6% is as low as you can go at a certain height and weight or whatever. What we’re saying is based on real world observations, and all the information we’ve read over the years, we do not believe there exists a man who is natty and 5’7’’ at 225 at 6%.

We just don’t. Not because it is literally impossible, but that because, based on the above, this man would be such a fucking outlier that he would be a modern marvel - a genetic freak waiting to tear up all natural bodybuilding competitions across the world.

Can’t you understand that? Can’t you understand why no one believes you without a picture and documented info? If this is not a troll, then you are a silly dude. And I’m even sillier for trying to reason with you.

[/quote]

End thread. [/quote]

The world is fucked if thats the level of logic required to get someone all warm and fuzzy.

Wait a minute, the world is fucked??

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

I will have to agree with X on this one. I have known a couple guys that worked on offshore oil rigs that didn’t train but were very impressive built. However even though they didn’t train when your job consist of heavy farmers walks, deadlifts, and other heavy manual labor for 84 hours a week 2 weeks outta the month then you can say that they may be working out harder than a lot of desk jockey gym rats.[/quote]

I know many who just play basketball. That is why I laughed at the “number limits” that were made before.

i am only guessing these guys don’t get out much. they aren’t my size, but I know many who put a lot of guy here to shame when they don’t even lift regularly.

[/quote]

My dad had a guy that worked under him a while back that was about your size maybe a little taller that picked up a 55 gal full oil drum and walked it across a room but couldn’t stack it. Said he only did the one and started rolling them but that’s nearly 500 lbs.[/quote]

When I mentioned things like this before, it got attacked with the usual nonsense.

Bottom line, the witch hunts don’t even make sense anymore.

If anyone thinks the average guy here has even “good average” genetics than they are off. I know too many guys in Houston alone who make most here look like newbs to believe in some of these “limits” being shouted lately.

That doesn’t mean I have to believe in the specific person massive guns is speaking of.

I just have enough life experience to know that saying some of these things are IMPOSSIBLE is as shortsighted as you can get.[/quote]

Generally people attracted to bodybuilding ain’t that big or blessed in the genetics department to begin with. Kind of skews bricks sample set a bit for his extensive experience, but hey who gives a fuck, certainly not him!

Big people are rarely attracted to the gym, why waste time and money when your already jacked?

Has anybody heard wade johnsons voice? It’s so fucking deep his nuts blatantly put out 500mg a week of testosterone naturally.

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Heres a point for ya’ll, how do you guys know all those natural bodybuilders aren’t on the juice? Couldn’t they be lying too??

But wait they test for it don’t they. If you weigh over 220 pounds at under six foot then you’re juiced. Clever man, maths is great.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Heres a point for ya’ll, how do you guys know all those natural bodybuilders aren’t on the juice? Couldn’t they be lying too??

But wait they test for it don’t they. If you weigh over 220 pounds at under six foot then you’re juiced. Clever man, maths is great.[/quote]

UnconfirmedMassiveGuns,
You know that is not what anyone has said.
Getting to a bodyweight 220 pounds while being less than six feet tall does not mean you ate on juice.
I know you are just attmpting to troll for the “lulz” but you’re just talking the piss right now.
220 pounds under six feet =/= 5’7 225 pounds at 6% bodyfat year round as a Natural
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