[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Imagine what he’d look like if creatine had been around back then.
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Do you really have MassiveGuns?[/quote]
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
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[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]bcingu wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Please just let this die…[/quote]
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Cop out. No contribution to the debate other than a few digs at prof X, and you say he contributes nothing to the forums?
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Your point has been refuted by 7 different people, and you just wave your hands at the computer and ignore it.
Have you noticed that literally NOBODY agrees with you. At all?
Post some pics of your imaginary friend or some of these phantom outliers or GTFO.[/quote]
I posted arthur saxon, who was 220 at 5 10 before steroids even EXISTED. Everybody seems to just gloss over the old time strongmen like they never existed.
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One problem…HE WAS NOT 6% bodyfat…why can you not understand that??
We have a problem with you making shit up not that somebody can get to 220 at 5’10" at 20% bodyfat.
You are trolling hard now bro.[/quote]
Yes he wasn’t 6 percent bodyfat. But he was lean as shit.
Imagine what he’d look like if creatine had been around back then.
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My man, we are comparing 5’7" natural physiques who are at or near the 225lbs and 6% bodyfat you claim your friend to be…guess what? there are none. Zero. NADA.
So we posted pictures of top ranked ASSISTED bodybuilders to show comparison.
If your boy looks like them, then he truly is what he is saying…if he does NOT look like them, somebody is full of shit.
I don’t know how to possibly make it any more simple.[/quote]
LOL 5’7 225? That basically describes Maurice Jones-Drew but he is a RB not a BB…
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]bcingu wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Please just let this die…[/quote]
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Cop out. No contribution to the debate other than a few digs at prof X, and you say he contributes nothing to the forums?
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Your point has been refuted by 7 different people, and you just wave your hands at the computer and ignore it.
Have you noticed that literally NOBODY agrees with you. At all?
Post some pics of your imaginary friend or some of these phantom outliers or GTFO.[/quote]
I posted arthur saxon, who was 220 at 5 10 before steroids even EXISTED. Everybody seems to just gloss over the old time strongmen like they never existed.
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One problem…HE WAS NOT 6% bodyfat…why can you not understand that??
We have a problem with you making shit up not that somebody can get to 220 at 5’10" at 20% bodyfat.
You are trolling hard now bro.[/quote]
Yes he wasn’t 6 percent bodyfat. But he was lean as shit.
Imagine what he’d look like if creatine had been around back then.
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My man, we are comparing 5’7" natural physiques who are at or near the 225lbs and 6% bodyfat you claim your friend to be…guess what? there are none. Zero. NADA.
So we posted pictures of top ranked ASSISTED bodybuilders to show comparison.
If your boy looks like them, then he truly is what he is saying…if he does NOT look like them, somebody is full of shit.
I don’t know how to possibly make it any more simple.[/quote]
LOL 5’7 225? That basically describes Maurice Jones-Drew but he is a RB not a BB…[/quote]
That’s how MassiveGunz described his Natty buddy…oh yea, at 6% bodyfat.
MJD is Jelly of that.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Imagine what he’d look like if creatine had been around back then.
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Do you really have MassiveGuns?[/quote]
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massive guns
massive buns
massive nuns
massive Puns
massive runs
Ooooooh SHIT.
SS is Heating up!!
Are yall trying to say yall don’t think Ronnie Coleman is natural?? come on man!! LOL
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
You know, MG, I was looking through your old posts, and realized that you are an open and avid steroid user. In fact, you chimed in on a thread where the premise was that all pros use gear any anyone looking to get that swole should use gear. And you know what, you agreed with enthusiasm! More gear, the better you basically conceded.
And that’s cool, I’m definitely not judging you. But I feel like I have confirmed that you are definitely a troll, and in all likelihood, the alternate persona of someone on here who doesn’t want to be open about his steroid use. In any event, I think it’s incredibly disingenuous for you to assert that you “aren’t sure” if your gym buddy uses. You probably had a period where you weren’t on gear, realized you were going to hit your natural limit, and then went on to use. Even aside from the fact that this undercuts your credibily on the natural limit side of things, you out of most people should be in a position to know whether or not a gym goer is assisted or not, especially a friend or training partner.
I think what this is, IMO, is you trying to validate your cognitive dissonance of using steroids to improve performance but not having to admit how much help they have given you. You want to use them, you just don’t want to have to credit them. So, by arguing that your “buddy” could do this incredible feat naturally, you can assure yourself that whatever goals you’ve achieved were almost entirely because of your efforts.
Of course, I may be wrong, but whatever the reason, I am sure you are just fucking with us at this point, and I’m out! [/quote]
Thats a great analysis but it’s a bit far off the mark. I think steroids are great and think theres no way I could have got to where I am now without them, Maybe I could have got close but not without being 45 years old instead and beat up to shite. I credit them entirely for the gains in strength and muscle mass they have given me.
Ok the creatine comment was a windup but I am serious about my position on this.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Ooooooh SHIT.
SS is Heating up!![/quote]
Great stuff I spat my creatine out. I guess you do actually contribute something useful after all!
SS is on fire.
Brick,
Every time you set a limit, somewhere in the world a bodybuilder loses his wings.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Brick,
Every time you set a limit, somewhere in the world a bodybuilder loses his wings. [/quote]
What can I say bro? I’m a hater. Like sometimes I try to fight off my hater instincts by throwing out a compliment like, “You look great!”, but deep down I don’t like others excelling. Like at the NY Pro in a few weeks, I’ll be booing all the competitors and yelling at them stuff like, “STOP… flexing so hard! STOP… smiling! There’s nothing to be smiling about! You’re gonna lose!” “YOU, the physique competitor: you’re a loser who couldn’t become an IFBB pro bodybuilder!”
And get this, I say this sort of shit to people… TO THEIR FACES! I walk up to people in gyms and say, “You didn’t gain 80 pounds natty”. I also walk up to permabulkers and full housers at Burger KING and say–to their faces!–“You think you’re all big and stuff, but you’re just fat.” Did you get that? I just walk up to them and say that stuff right to their faces.
I’m always sabotaging from the inside, just always purposely wrecking others plans to excel. Just the other day I purposely made someone late to a job appointment. I also last week told some young ambitious kid that he’ll never make it in college… or the gym–that he should just give up now and start stacking orange crates.
(Kind of buzzed right now. Low tolerance.)
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Is anyone else completely sick of these examples of men with SERIOUS, HARDCORE bodybuilder physiques… WHO DON’T LIFT!
Seriously, I live in a city of 8 million people and I’ve yet to fucking see any of these people!
And where are all these jacked doctors? I’ve been working in healthcare for a decade and I’ve yet to see more than two jacked doctors out of the hundreds I’ve seen or worked with![/quote]
Just go to a tire yard. Not everyone ends up in the weight room doing goblet squats and snatch grip deads. Fuck I knew people at school who were massive and didn’t lift.
City of 8 million? Great sample size and demographic. Accurate logical reasoning is your forte I see.
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Great post![/quote]
Hey Brick, maybe you should stop sitting around counting your degrees and successful clients/years of experience and move to one of the 13 cities which have populations greater than the 8 million bracket. Get a little work ethic man!
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I know right. Get this: I’ve also worked for years in “the hood”. You know, the Bronx, Bushwick, Jamaica. I always wondered where the heck all these guys X speaks of–the ones with outstanding BMI’s from so much muscle with hardly any weight training–are residing.
(Thanks for the light heartedness. This place needs some lightening up.)
jskrabac: I also saw your other posts regarding Stu’s and my reasoning. Thanks for that. If I recall correctly, you work in physics, so I consider it a compliment if someone like you mentions that considering it takes one hell of a brain to work in that field. Perhaps you liked my mention of Werner von Braun and Hermann Oberth before. 
MG I’m going to drop this sweet bit of fundamental biology on you to help you out: when you lose fat, you also lose water, which is why you can’t just say x% guy at y weight loses z% fat = aLBM → bLBM, because they also lost water(without even trying, it’s like fucking magic). They do indeed still use diuretics to lose even more water, but your friend is already 6% so he only has that last step to lose, not the step where he drops water from fat as well. This is kind of(only kind of though) like the reverse effect of people who were arguing in another thread that going from x weight to y weight at the same bf% meant all of your gains were LBM, because logic is hard.
Oh and then there’s also the part where you’re still just lying and whatnot, but we’ll brush over that again.
[quote]red04 wrote:
MG I’m going to drop this sweet bit of fundamental biology on you to help you out: when you lose fat, you also lose water, which is why you can’t just say x% guy at y weight loses z% fat = aLBM → bLBM, because they also lost water(without even trying, it’s like fucking magic). They do indeed still use diuretics to lose even more water, but your friend is already 6% so he only has that last step to lose, not the step where he drops water from fat as well. This is kind of(only kind of though) like the reverse effect of people who were arguing in another thread that going from x weight to y weight at the same bf% meant all of your gains were LBM, because logic is hard.
Oh and then there’s also the part where you’re still just lying and whatnot, but we’ll brush over that again.[/quote]
I see.
Thats some sweet fundamental biology that allows someone at 6% bodyfat and 100% hydration lose 15% of their water…
… and yet someone at 20% bodyfat but the same weight at 100% hydration lose 15% of their water…
…and not lose as much.
Sweet biology fundamentals. I really wish I knew more about science. It seems so interesting! Maths too!
Even Penn and Teller couldn’t pull that one off.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Imagine what he’d look like if creatine had been around back then.
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Ahhhh you are in fact trolling.
You just outted yourself right here.
It was good while it lasted though.
Do you really have MassiveGuns?[/quote]
How often do you ask guys if they have a massive dick? Are you obessed with other mens bodyparts or something?
If so I know a good therapist.