OP is 23 years old and 200lbs so that pretty much says it all.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/Mr.%20Walkway#myForums/thread/5554378/0
I guess the only issue i have with his stance is that he thinks lifting big is an ego stroke but BBing somehow isnt. They both clearly are. This side of the forums just tends to think being awesome is better than looking awesome. Youre damn right thats worded in a manner thats biased towards my personal view, and it could be taken as equally offensive to BBers as what mr walkway said about PL, right?
[quote]illadelphia91 wrote:
I think what DD was trying to say was that the OP didnt mean to say powerlifting dumb, but that powerlifting for bodybuilding is dumb?
At Least that’s what I think he was trying to say. [/quote]
I interpreted it in the same way. If he had absolutely no respect for PLing at all, it’d be pretty ironic that he advocates getting ton of lifting gear, bands, chains, etc. from elitefts and rolling with a PVC pipe…
The two approaches to lifting are quite different.I read it as “ego” = lifting the most weight no matter what.
I would say that the “ego” part of power lifting is that MUCH of the technique work and teaching that goes into the activity involves making the lift “easier” … Shortening ROM, bringing in more muscles, using gear that allows you to lift way more weight.
While much of BB training traditionally looks for ways to make the movement harder, at the expense of lifting a higher amount of weight… The phrase “leave your ego at the door” comes to mind. So while you might be able to PL Squat 405, if you do it BB style that might shrink down to 315 rather quickly. Or pre-fatiguing the chest before you get to the bench press, which would significantly decrease the amount of weight you can use (which would be incredibly stupid in PL terms)
I love both of the sports so I can see the merit in training both ways. As long as the iron moves, we are all brothers.
That’s a funny statement. You won’t be finding a lot of IFBB pros or any top competitors in BBing making these kind of statements.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
The two approaches to lifting are quite different.I read it as “ego” = lifting the most weight no matter what.
I would say that the “ego” part of power lifting is that MUCH of the technique work and teaching that goes into the activity involves making the lift “easier” … Shortening ROM, bringing in more muscles, using gear that allows you to lift way more weight.
While much of BB training traditionally looks for ways to make the movement harder, at the expense of lifting a higher amount of weight… The phrase “leave your ego at the door” comes to mind. So while you might be able to PL Squat 405, if you do it BB style that might shrink down to 315 rather quickly. Or pre-fatiguing the chest before you get to the bench press, which would significantly decrease the amount of weight you can use (which would be incredibly stupid in PL terms)
I love both of the sports so I can see the merit in training both ways. As long as the iron moves, we are all brothers.[/quote]
This.
All he meant was that the general mindset behind chasing numbers is typically a bad but common approach when it comes to BBing. I agree with that sentiment. A more injury-prone approach? Hard to say, but possible.
I saw this as well and it irritated me a little, but the poster obviously shot a bit from the hip and didn’t substantiate his statements. Especially the comment about 5/3/1 is flawed; the program rarely trains using a maximal load (i.e., you’ll maybe hit your true 1-2 RM one one day after several cycles) and the loading pattern for the accessory work is in fact very similar to that of a bodybuilding split. Apart from that, most powerlifers aren’t jumping into the gym every day cold and just ripping the shit out of barbells at 90-100% of their training maxes.
I can understand if some bodybuilders would look at geared, superheavyweight powerlifters and come to the conclusion that the sport would doom one for injury, but that’s the real extreme end of the spectrum. Most elite bodybuilders also suffer weight training-related injuries at some point in their careers, as do most all elite athletes in any discipline. It kinda comes with the territory.
As for the more “recreational” trainees, I wouldn’t say that either powerlifting or bodybuilding is more “dangerous” than the other. Training at near-maximal loads in the squat, deadlift or bench press with shitty technique and no conditioning is just as likely to get you injured as are super-mega-dropsets of cheat curls.
By the way, for a lot of trainees who neither compete in powerlifting nor in bodybuilding (I’ll go out on a limb and say that this encompasses most of this site’s members), I can bet that they don’t just want to either lift a huge amount of weight or to look good unclothed, but rather want a bit of both. These kinds of absolutarian diatribes about what’s absolutely right for one person at the expense another therefore tend to get on my nerves.
I am not going to waste time interpreting the dudes comments. They are pretty fucking stupid. Unsubstantiated claims about an effective training system from someone who has no pics or vids is pretty bold.
If someone wants to say bodybuilding is not about moving the most weight but about working a muscle properly (making 135 work for you like 405) then I would say welcome to fucking common sense.
[quote]tattoo’d’popeye wrote:
OP is 23 years old and 200lbs so that pretty much says it all.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/Mr.%20Walkway#myForums/thread/5554378/0[/quote]
As a 23 year old kid myself, I worry for my generation, I think most of us are mouthbreathers (myself included)
Training for strength was one of the smartest things I have ever done for myself. In so many ways.
Who has ever said “oh damn…I am strong and I regret that shit”
[quote]tattoo’d’popeye wrote:
OP is 23 years old and 200lbs so that pretty much says it all.
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…and has recently completed a very effective transformation. No doubt he figures he has found ‘the holy grail’ of training. It’s like asking a runner about a marathon at mile 4…all is good.
[quote]kgildner wrote:
By the way, for a lot of trainees who neither compete in powerlifting nor in bodybuilding (I’ll go out on a limb and say that this encompasses most of this site’s members), I can bet that they don’t just want to either lift a huge amount of weight or to look good unclothed, but rather want a bit of both. These kinds of absolutarian diatribes about what’s absolutely right for one person at the expense another therefore tend to get on my nerves.[/quote]
Same here. I love talking about PL and BB but I don’t think I’ll ever compete. I just want to get bigger, leaner, and stronger for my own pursuit. The comment about PL was definitely a sign of ignorance. It would appear that particular poster is a fan of JM, a man whom I’ve come to respect a lot when it comes to BB knowledge. But I highly doubt JM himself would agree to such a statement.
sorta agree with the guy Matty… I mean lifting to get stronger doesnt do anything to build any quality mass on a person Look at the poor bastard in the above picture.
Look at this poor mis guided fool
Sure isnt going to make you look good naked… ask Dan Green
I don’t know who the reference is in the OP, so this isn’t a personal or directed statement, but generally my attitude can be summed up thusly:
“Who carez wut bitchez think?”
Although I am new to the forum, I respectfully disagree with the statement that power lifters get hurt a lot. Exercise in itself has an inherit risk especially if whether we are a bb or a pl we train for progress. the only people that never usually get hurt are walkers. Plus you may want to look at Dr. Htfield’s website Dr. squat.com, He has some research on there proving how safe intelligent powerlifting can be.
^^ Oh boy!
Edit~ I was O boying the pics , not the poster above me
Just throw on your hater blockers and be done with it