The only time I get some relief is for a day or two if I take a huge dose or something but even then it’s not 100 percent.
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Stress is fine, cortisol is lowish.
In your opinion would still being on trt interfere with that?
This is one man
Id be willing to bet very few normal men will ever measure at 91ng/dl regardless of the time of day… thats low…
91ng/dl is low no matter the interpretation
In my opinion based on (a little) anecdotal experiance, TRT is helpfull for this problem.
- Night erections seem to resensitise sensitivity / libido somehow, and would be more prevelent on dialed in TRT.
- TRT itself would increase sensitivity and libido, and avoiding porn would then help to rewire to normal stimulus quiker. i.e. seeing a female and getting horny (the end goal).
- Lots of people on NoFap and yourbrainonporn websites and reddit report a “flatline” period of no libido, many months before it returns after porn abstainance. TRT appears to kick the person out of flatline faster.
But if you go and abuse increased TRT libido by using it to rub off to more porn, you are adding fuel to the fire and digging you grave faster. I think most people with porn addiction will fall in this trap though, instead of abstaining and letting the brain resensitise.
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Guess what happens in those weeks you took a break - brain resensitised.
Guess what also happened then when “you tried some shit” - the CHANGE caused a release of dopamine in the now sensitised pathways and you got libido. (Some people reportedly vary their doses every few weeks to get the dopamine effect from a change).
Then I presume you went and wasted that libido doing something silly and back you are at square one.
Im sticking with those mechanisms in that order for your problem.
Are you still taking 0.06mg of Anastrozole EoD?
I saw a post of yours in your “Starting daily Anastrozole, …” thread where you say you feel great on that small AI dose.
It was fleeting. I felt calmer. But Arimidex would make my bones and joints hurt even if my serum E2 was in range. I think a much better solution is to take the smallest dose possible that relieves symptoms of hypogonadism, at least in my situation. For this reason I am exploring other avenues with other AAS within therapeutic dosage ranges. I am experimenting now but if I find something that works for me I’ll definitely share my experience.
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@equel has a point, too many of you over complicate this. A lot of times it very much is just that simple and its the hormones.
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A lot of the time, yes.
But what about those who have already tried every single combination, dose and levels of T, FT, E, AI, DHT and other AAS under the sun?
Then its something else and you need to look elsewhere. @equel has tried literally every combo out there of hormones. You name it, the guys done it. Problems elsewhere.
What about them? It really isn’t the majority of us. We have “optimized levels” and there is this constant annoying tippy toeing around the subject, like no no it is in fact hormone related stop over complicating. Have you ever even paid attention to why most of the other stuff is mentioned? Its geared towards naturals because the preaching is always based around how that stuff can mess with their hormones. People give him a hard time on here because he seems hot headed at times, but I very much empathize with his frustrations with the online community and their dogmatic rituals. In real life, the majority in fact does not represent much of what the culture online has become.
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Libido is affected by a bunch of things, hormones just being one of them.
“Optimised hormones” (you didnt clarify your definition of this) as you put it are not the solution to everything and anything.
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It sure is but when you got guys complaining about how it got worse on TRT, enough is enough with the tippy toeing please. By “optimized” I mean on paper the numbers look great and amazing. No its not a solution to everything, but again when you got guys on treatment coming here and complaining things actually got worse, well clearly its the culprit. Like @equel said its not to do with sleep, or fish oil, or vitamin b, etc. etc.
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Im not talking about fish oil, but other pathological or neurological or psychological or psychiatric problems.
And I am talking about @equel has a point of too much complication around here rather than acknowledging its the hormones plain and simple.
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If it were so simple, why hasnt he solved his issues already?
I believe the reason for some men having libido problems on TRT is either dosing too high forcing the body to downregulate (very common), the unnatural hormone profile of having constantly elevated hormones and also losing the natural pulsatility due to the HPTA being shut down.
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Would a low dose HCG to keep HPG axis functioning not solve this in theory? Also more infrequent dosing to get a few more peaks and troughs as we naturally produce. In theory daily injections sounds great, perfect stability. But the more I think about this the more I think we were not designed this way. We were not designed to have a constant bleed of 800-1000 ngdl or whatever it may be
Not always, it mimics LH, it isn’t LH. HCG only stimulates half of the testicles, so it doesn’t activate all hormonal pathways.
HCG shuts down the HPTA, but keeps the testicles producing T.
It doesn’t, it just impacts the G part of the HPGa, H and P remain suppressed while using it
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