Libido Problems and ED On TRT, No Issues Off TRT

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This is really the thing. I hang around with alot of bodybuilders, most of them know very little to none when it comes to “optimized hormones for well being or longevity” or whatever. On “cruise” they usually do 200-300mg a week, ONE injection, not more. Ive seen some of their bloods and usually the shbg is very low, due to their strong ass cycles 8 months of the year. Yet they seem to do fine, energy, libido, all good, no complaints.

Then you come to the TRT boards and everyone is freaking out about this, “u need to pin test C EVERY DAY DUDE, ur shbg is 16 omg! Maybe even twice a day!!”.

The fuck is going on

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Simplicity is beautiful. Dont try make things more complex, usually they arent complex at all.

  1. Optimise hormones.
  2. Watch ur penis get hard even tho u didnt get ur vitamins this week.
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Yes exactly, its just crap, all of it, total nonsense. “Low self esteem” are u freaking kidding me? I was 15 years old with an acne ridden face and I didnt even dare go out in public for a year, I felt SHIT about myself, no self esteem what so ever. But guess what, I was spanking this cock hardcore 2 times a day minimum, an absolute URGE to release making me sneak into the bathroom to jerk off (cause my room didnt have a lock on the door).

This stupid BS bout sleep and “did u have an extra beer this week?” just has to stop.

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SSRI meds fuck up ur libido cause of HORMONES (prolactin) and neurotransmittors, not cause “u didnt get 10 hours of sleep buddy”, nor “not enough bananas this week!”, just stop this crap already, cut the shit.

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Its not the freaking stress, “lack of muh sleep” or “did u take ur vitamines son??”, got it? Its the hormones, PERIOD.

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This is independent of a protocol and therefore a moot point

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I disagree that’s this is always the case as you suggest

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yeah ok, let me rephrase: In 90% of the cases, it is not ur lack of banana-eating or beer drinking, its the fact ur hormones are not in a good harmony/balanced. Get that shit fixed, just as when u were 16, and u will have no problems getting that weener hard.

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I love your spirit man

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Lets take a machine, but its internal wiring is burnt out. It used to run perfect on 110 volts exactly, before the internal wiring burnt out.

Now, in our hope to get the machine working, we test all kinds of power. Lower voltage, higher voltage. Change the plug. Machine still doesn’t work.

Just because it worked ONCE APON A TIME perfectly on perfect voltage, doesn’t mean the problem now is with the voltage. That same perfect voltage wont work - because now there’s another problem.

SO, moral of the story, just because you were once horny when your hormone’s were good, doesn’t mean if you get those same exact levels of hormones, your libido will return.

I think your brain circuits are fried from TOO MUCH PORN USE which has almost permanently damaged your brain reward circuitry.

I back up my theory with the fact you made a comment on excelmale that 900mg(!) of deca briefly got you your libido back. I know it was the dopamine boost from that massive dose which did it, not the hormones itself. And then doing that further fried your libido pathways.

You are looking for a shortcut to your problem and hoping hormones can be hacked as a quick fix, in your case, its not. You need to deal with your issues man.

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Thank you for the compliment. My father used to say, “When you stop trying you start dying.” So I’m staring at untreatable bipolar illness and I’m the caregiver for my wife who has early stage dementia. I can’t let any of this break me, not that I’m bulletproof. No one is. But I’ll do everything that I can to save my life. I tried to help my wife but she has no interest. My urologist wanted to help her because many of her hormones are low. She had no interest. Sad, but every one of my doctors said that I should just take care of myself. I know the worst is coming with her. When the storm is gone, I want to be on my feet, bloodied and bruised, but standing.

As for the critique of @equel’s posts, it’s not always porn or too much porn. I’m not saying it can’t be a causative factor. Hell, if your spouse or partner keeps turning you away and even tells you that they’re no longer interested in sex, that can turn your salami into a noodle. Or emotional/verbal abuse. Or too much unremitting stress. And yes, the hormones, neurosteroids and peptides aren’t at the levels that existed when we were younger but a good doctor will try to restore some of that balance and I’ve talked with guys in their 60’s who were fucking like they did at 18. It is possible. On the other hand, Dr. Adrian Paskowitz M.D., the late ‘surfing doctor’ had sex with his wife three times a week into his 90th year. He was all natural. And his wife had a libido to match his. We can just be envious, LOL.

@equel makes valid points. Some of what you say is valid, too. There’s no wrong or right. You read my posts, so you see that I went from functional to non-functional in a bit over a year. And the endo I was seeing was fucking clueless. My testosterone was low in 2005 and according to him, ‘Normal’. I’ve been miserable for 17 years. It’s only now that I’m seeing a tiny bit of progress in sleep, moderating my depression with DHEA and seeing a hint of libido and erectile function from both testosterone and DHEA.

Anyway, why do these discussions have to turn into a heated argument? We all have our experiences, points of view, setbacks and failures. No one is always right and no one is always wrong. We all know that a particular topic can bring forth intense debate, even acrimony, but ideally, a forum should be encouraging, supportive and a place where we can learn from each other even if we disagree.

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To the guys in this thread @highpull @tfan866 equel systemlord etc

Are any of the things you guys talk about (tren use, porn use, trt) able to cause permanent or irreversible libido and ed issues? Is there anything that would make these unable to be fixed?

I’ve been on trt for many years and after the first year have had very few periods, if any, where libido or erection function are present. I ran three heavy tren cycles in my life but not sure if that’s related. Been on t only for 5 years. Twice a week injections or more frequent. Between 100 and 140mg normally. None of my labs show anything that stands out. Basically wondering if I had caused permanent damage or if the large infrequent injections you guys mentioned are not as negative as the internet says.

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No, stupid. It always get great libido with deca because it gives me enough androgens and very little estrogen, which is what my own “system” runs the best on.

Again, i stand strong with my belief all this fucking nonsense about muh sleep and vitamins is just that, nonsense.

Lol @ being able to get 8 hours of sleep each night and enough vitamin freaking b12 to get ur cock hard.

All nonsense, nothing elsel. My brain circuits are fine, memory great, mathematical abilities phenomenal, most likely I make more cash in my 30s than u ever will in your entire life so thankyou very much.

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As per you, you needed “900mg” deca for some libido. I would say your brain circuitry is fried. Desensitised AR’s, probably dopamine and related things else well. You ignored my porn comment. Its a well trodden path.

To use almost a gram of AAS just for libido is definitely “drugs”. Probably coke or meth would give you back your libido temporarily too. You are the kind of retard who would then say “bruh cocaine give me enuf androgens bruh and that what mah system runs best on”

That, or as countless people have mentioned, you are just a troll…

Countless people in the past sincerely tried you help you, and all you did was flip them off.

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You don’t come across as mentally sound and need to clean house upstairs instead of flipping on everyone who tries to help you.

You seem on edge all the time, this will create stress and can throw hormones out of whack and fry your circuits.

This constant state of stress will kill you faster, it also can overwhelm your cognitive skills and neuroendocrine systems, eventually leading to distinctive changes in the anatomy and functioning of the brain.

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Over at excelmale earlier today:

post by @equal: today 4:17am - “Proviron KILLS my libido, as does masteron”

post by @equal: today 4:47am - “Only thing I noticed with high dose proviron is all the girls I was currently seeing, started to squirt SUPER easy and three out of five got their period despite being on birth-control. Yes im not fucking kidding, these androgens create weird ass effects with these women.”

SO, tell us. How did you get them all to squirt if your dick was shrunk and had no libido?

I don’t even need to “call BS”. No one, and I mean no one, believes your story.

You need help.

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I wont say permanent IMO but desensitised libido hardware and software, brain and mind. Porn imo provide an instant boost of dopamine in the brains reward pathways. This works for a while but the elevated levels of dopamine will reduce the receptors and eventually release of dopamine. When normal porn doesnt work, then you try another fetish etc, until that too stops working and so on and on. The brain circuits for normal stimuli and hardcore porn are all desensitised. Now take some tren, it adds fuel in the fire, boosts shit up and then even that stops working. Now your brain is fucked for a long time. You have to take a break from all porn\drugs for a long time to give it a break. You can also “rewire” the brain to become sensitive to normal stimuli. Go back to porn, and it will work for a few days, and then again history repeats itself.

Although you can abstain and rewire to normal girls, the brain has been permanently altered. Same as drugs and alcohol. As they say in rehab “My name is X and I and an alcoholic”. Once an addict always an addict.

Everything has a positive and a negative. The large infrequent injection causes a large spike of T some hours after injection, this may then cause a large dopamine spike, and both those spikes may serve to boost libido. Also, T may may fall low(er) at the end of the week, allowing the brain to resensitise. Then the large doses spike will “hit” again.

Of course, in the same hypothetical individual, the large injection may have negatives such as water retention or high HCT. That unlucky hypothetical individual then cant have everything from only adjusting dose and frequency (win some, lose some either direction)

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I don’t think you have a very good grasp on this topic. You solely focus on one of the major elements that gives us good sexual function and totally disregard the neurological side.

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Let’s face it, your illogical thought processes makes this highly unlikely

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I dont think so, no. That must be a very very rare case if u fuck up ur libido for life, permanently breaking something so bad.

Our drive for reproduction is so fucking strong dude. Its stronger than our need for food or even survival at all. Imagine saying: “Can u permanently fuck up ur hunger or thirst for life so u never feel it again??”, probably not.

Its ALL about finding that “sweet spot” hormonal wise (or neurotransmittors, they kinda fucking connected), thats it.

Again, I do not agree what so ever about no “low self esteem”, “enough sleep” or “vitamins”, its all crap. Its about hormones.

Atleast if u are like sub 70 years old and in SOMEWHAT of a normal shape physically, u should be able to be fucking horny and get hard if ur hormones are fine.

I know very well that is my problem, I can go weeks with zero libido, then I try some shit and find the “sweet spot” (which is fucking difficult cause of my low shbg or whatever the reason is) and then BOOOM rock hard and ready to go, as horny as I was when I was 12 finding my daddys porno papers with boners almost rippin thru my panties.

Sleep can be shit, nutrition can be shit, my “stress levels” can be high AF, all I need is to hit the sweet spot and Im fucking good to go baby. That inner urge and NECCESITY for pussy is just there, i wanna bang, i wanna bang, i wanna bang, that is all I can think of.

Soon enough, I move past that spot - too much or too little free e2 or whatever the heck it is, and I dont even think bout sex no more, even if my damn sleep is great or whatever.

Theres hope, find ya sweet spot, fix some DHEA, pregnenolone, progesterone, HCG, up the dose, reduce the dose, use AI, dont use AI, try it all out and with time you will most likely be fine.

Ima try me some pregnenolone and DHEA now, aswell as adding turkesterone as its supposed to increase SHBG quite alot.

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