Hes talked about how while libido before trt wasnt the greatest it was there, got worse once he messed with hormones, and through manipulation with those hormones and hormones only he was able to achieve better libido at times or at least go back to the average level… just like the countless other guys who post the same narrative… what am I missing here? It really is that plain and simple.
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Ye im right and they are wrong, plain and simple. When i hit sweet Spots My libido is like when i was 13, when i get out of that spot it gets weak or non existant, No matter My freaking Omega 3 or banana intake.
It is hormones, period, these guys tip toe around a very obvious thing.
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Yeah bro I know it gets annoying. If you notice they are now resorting to “well its not EVERYTHING” ignoring the fact that it is the heavy base and thats what we are trying to get at. Everything else is just the icing on the cake and does crap if hormones aren’t in check.
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Yea, just the Logic of it all. Human reproduction is so fundamental and strongly strongly driven by sex hormones, but nooo, for some reason evolution made it so this particular animal needs a perfect amount of bananas and meditation each Day cause if not, the penis wont even respond.
It is indeed hilarious.
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What’s your current protocol… and are you getting any libido?
Thanks for answering. I just got done running a low-dose Adex experiment myself.
I tried 0.125mg 2x/week and felt like I was crashing my E2. Didn’t get a blood test in time but I was getting serious muscle cramps in the gym after workouts for the first time ever in my life, so it’s hard for me to believe it was a coincidence, and I started feeling very low, negative and depressed.
I dropped to 0.0625mg 2x/week and things got slightly better, mostly less bloating, but my mood was still off and honestly I didn’t feel that good, almost like I was not on TRT at all.
I’m going to try daily or EoD Test Prop. Lots of anecdotal evidence that it leads to less bloating and presumably lower E2 levels, so we’ll see. Also going to give the scrotal compounded cream a try.
Same thing, I’ll update if I make any progress. Hopefully something will work out…
In regard to an AI, I experienced the decrease in gym performance just like you. Too achy. Trying different esters is surely worth a try. I’ve heard about some that do great on sustanon that weren’t responding well to cypionate or enanthate. let s know how it goes please!
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Will do, man. I learned a lot from this community so I’d love to figure something out and be able to give back some useful knowledge.
Fingers crossed!
Do you have an answer to my reply? Look at this thread alone and the OP. In the title the dude clearly mentions on TRT vs off TRT, and gets bombarded with every other ritual in the book except hormones from the get go. How are those things such a problem, when they simply weren’t pre TRT?
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I also notice you and the guy who liked your post completely missed my point. There is a reason I put optimized hormones in quotes. It’s to show that if after TRT things got worse, then clearly all the other stuff cannot be the main deciding factor.
It was actually meant to be quite the opposite of me “putting it as the solution to everything and anything”, at least not in the sense you are making it out to be in what I am saying, but I am no longer surprised by the miss interpretations by some people here.
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Your circuits are fried, forcing an overload of androgens temporally bypasses your problem. You may have long CAG repeats. These guys will have problems with sexual parameters on TRT.
This has always been my concern since starting TRT, and it seems E2 is what issues worse for me. I keep reading about levels in the 50s, while for me even high 30s feel like my heart is going to explode out of my chest. In my case going up in dose and doing an AI has helped things improve. Another option is lowering dose in order to lower my E2.
But I am sometimes also pondering here if the main problem with people like me may not be solely E2, but rather overall androgen over load. So in my case maybe I can get away with one being elevated but not both, hence actually going up in dose + AI helps.
As something else I notice is that I am able to tolerate Cialis way more easily when I keep my E2 on the lower range, for me cialis + high E2 = palpitations and shallow breathing galore, as well as crazy brain fog. Which may mean too much dilation and I am unable to tolerate it?
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Why not go back to that protocol, irrespective if it’s thought to be out of date or old school? If your doctor is okay with that, try it! You might be an outlier who doesn’t respond to weekly or more frequent injections. Some of us and our doctors still trying to figure ways to hack our endocrine systems to restore erections.
The lack of erections isn’t always an endocrine.
Some men have problems when their HTPA is shut down, but no issues when the HPTA is functioning normally.
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There is definitely something better about more spaced out shots for me.
I’ve been running about 100mg (sometimes 110 or 120mg) once a week. Morning erections noticeably better on this protocol, as opposed to more frequent injections.
It must be the more fluctuation of T and E is my guess. OR, just higher DHT levels?
The body isnt designed for steady state Test levels. So why this push to smaller, frequent shots is starting to really make me rethink advice on the net.
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Super interesting dude, glad you’re seeing improvements. Is this on once a week administration? Wheres SHBG? Are you noticing any sort of ‘lull’ a day or 2 before next injection?
My SHBG is usually low 20s. Yep, one shot per week, on Monday.
Literally today, i’m thinking how bad i wanna get laid. So that’s a plus. I NEVER feel that way on more frequent shots. Better mind/boner connection too it seems.
I guess i don’t really feel a lull. But i do feel more libido and a better mood the days after the shot.
But honestly, it’s been eye opening. Fluctuating levels are good I think. I am curious about jatenzo, as that seems to mimic normal fluctuations best.
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100%, I started TRT 3 years ago and have aged about 10 years lol
Told ya. Now try sum like 400mg e15d
One thing i def have noticed with less frequent shots, is that my joints hurt more. Nothing has changed in my workouts either. And it’s obvious the pain.
Can anyone speculate as to why? E2 can’t be low… at least id think it isn’t.,