[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
fucking asshole has been working out for a week and is already bigger than me. fuck my life.[/quote]
He’s been big before… Plenty of times, actually.
You’re still working on getting big for the first time, no muscle-memory to help you get there faster.
Btw, go Levrone!
I for one am not star struck by those guys. I see it for what it is. They are Genetically gifted. They can lift in any form way or style and will still grow freaky muscles. The heavier the better.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Silkdagger wrote:
B: I wanted to know IF you could do it natural as the side effects of roids with out one hell of a doctor to keep you healthy and even then are VERY bad, are well documented.
HAHAHAHA Classic.
Please, feel free to link a well documented study on steroid use that shows all these VERY bad side effects.
You and your ignorance can either gtfo or stop talking about things you don’t know shit about, thanks.
I never new HRT was in fact killing people, those bastards tricked us![/quote]
Beat me to it. Seems like there’s not a single anti-steroid person in the world who can come up with a study showing these horrifying side effects of steroids.
Suspicious?
Yep, there is 
Here is a brief overview of some, don’t have time to get all the others and don’t want to jack the thread. To reiterate, I don’t care who does and doesn’t do steroids. Training still needs to happen, but don’t kid yourselves about what steroids do and don’t do. Just because people can’t find the evidence doesn’t mean there is any…
It has been shown that elevations on the levels of liver enzymes (aspartate aminotransferase, alanine aminotransferase, and lactate dehydrogenase) are also common in the athletes who use steroids (Maravelias et al., 2005). It has been reported that hepatic dysfunction is most commonly associated with the steroids use. Cholestatic jaundice occurs occasionally with steroid use and typically resolves within 3 months of discontinuing the drugs. Increase in the serum triglycerides and cholesterol levels are also reported (Kafrouni et al., 2007). Liver tumors, both benign and malignant, have been linked to the administration of steroids (Maravelias et al., 2005). Several athletes with an extensive history of steroid use have died of hepatocellular carcinoma. Hepatocellular carcinomas were more often associated with oxymetholone and methyl testosterone (Maravelias et al., 2005). There is an increased risk of peliosis hepatis with steroid use. This is a rare form of hepatitis characterized by formation of multiple blood-filled cysts within the liver, which can be fatal (Maravelias et al., 2005). Despite the widespread physiological, biochemical and pathological investigation of the effects of androgenic anabolic steroids on the liver, the stereological study of the effects of anabolic androgenic steroids on the liver histological structure has received less attention.
that’s an intro from a recent journal article looking at an increase in size of the liver following administration of a steroid to mammalian liver. Easiest way I could give an overview.
Wow, after thousands of tablets of Dianabol surely I’d better go get checked for hepatic peliosis.
guys hes doing that steroids free The Levrone Transformation starts today. | Levrone Report amazing!
[quote]GluteusGigantis wrote:
that’s an intro from a recent journal article looking at an increase in size of the liver following administration of a steroid to mammalian liver. Easiest way I could give an overview.[/quote]
There’s a problem with it though—it’s a meta-analysis. These sorts of studies can be useful for collating large chunks of data, but you must trust the studies they reference. Example, one such article (a case study) I read a little more than a year ago tried to blame an adult episode of the chicken pox on steroid usage. This was actually published, despite the fact chicken pox has absolute zero chance of being linked to steroid usage.
So long story short, you need to dig into the actual studies.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Wow, after thousands of tablets of Dianabol surely I’d better go get checked for hepatic peliosis.[/quote]
LOL, the reason I posted that is to show there is research. Don’t think people aren’t trying to get answers to the questions that are out there.
The problem is that human ethics committees won’t let you do the research as they are afraid of the potential risks even if you put good monitoring processes in place.
Hell, caffeine and sugar in sufficient doses will cause problems too LOL
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
GluteusGigantis wrote:
that’s an intro from a recent journal article looking at an increase in size of the liver following administration of a steroid to mammalian liver. Easiest way I could give an overview.
There’s a problem with it though—it’s a meta-analysis. These sorts of studies can be useful for collating large chunks of data, but you must trust the studies they reference. Example, one such article (a case study) I read a little more than a year ago tried to blame an adult episode of the chicken pox on steroid usage. This was actually published, despite the fact chicken pox has absolute zero chance of being linked to steroid usage.
So long story short, you need to dig into the actual studies. [/quote]
No, that was an actual experimental research article. I simply grabbed the intro to provide a nice overview for people who seem to doubt that there is research about side effects of steroid use. There are over 6,500 studies on Scopus when I did a quick keyword search for anabolic steroids. Most of the front page were experimental studies, not reviews or meta-analyses. I do know the difference.
Don’t worry, I’m not out to preach that people shouldn’t do AAS.
[quote]GluteusGigantis wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Wow, after thousands of tablets of Dianabol surely I’d better go get checked for hepatic peliosis.
LOL, the reason I posted that is to show there is research. Don’t think people aren’t trying to get answers to the questions that are out there.
The problem is that human ethics committees won’t let you do the research as they are afraid of the potential risks even if you put good monitoring processes in place.
Hell, caffeine and sugar in sufficient doses will cause problems too LOL[/quote]
C’mon now, don’t change your tune. When you said “but don’t kid yourselves about what steroids do and don’t do” it seemed pretty clear that you were bringing forth evidence against steroid use.
There is evidence that doses of steroids cause specific side effects. That really is the proof. Don’t kid yourselves about it.
HOWEVER there is a substantial lack of research looking into how the dosing used by recreational trainers (bodybuilders etc) may offset documented side effects.
Hence the problems with what we know and don’t know.
Don’t get defensive everyone, stay calm, I’m personally not against steroid use as there are countless examples of people using them for years without anything going wrong.
This is the problem. We know from experimental research that there are side effects, so why isn’t everyone dropping dead??? How much is too much? Are there other factors that predispose an individual to harm if they use AAS?
It would be near on impossible to get a research ethics committee to allow you to do proper experimental research.
[quote]GluteusGigantis wrote:
There is evidence that doses of steroids cause specific side effects. That really is the proof. [/quote]
Important word omitted: inbetween “steroids” and “cause” should have been the word “can.” With regard to things that are serious health problems.
Not being a nitpicker: it’s an enormously important difference and also makes the difference with regard to the claim of whoever was ranting about how great a doctor one will need if using steroids. As you wrote it, his claim would have been correct.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
GluteusGigantis wrote:
There is evidence that doses of steroids cause specific side effects. That really is the proof.
Important word omitted: inbetween “steroids” and “cause” should have been the word “can.” With regard to things that are serious health problems.
Not being a nitpicker: it’s an enormously important difference and also makes the difference with regard to the claim of whoever was ranting about how great a doctor one will need if using steroids. As you wrote it, his claim would have been correct.
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Fair call on that. I won’t backtrack and edit to add that word in. Hopefully people will read the previous post, then read your post for what is a valid correction and sums it up nicely.
And I must say that the majority of posts I’ve read of people teeing off on steroid use are just blatantly ignorant, such as the earlier post about how good a doctor you would require. No wonder you guys get so pissed off…
Maybe since Levrone is planning on adding so much mass so quickly he should have a doctor with him at all times just in case adding that much muscle is harmful 
(did you like that segue to get the thread back on track?)
yes he wil ned a doctur, high BMI is danjerus, 245 lbs thats unhelthy weiht
LOL
My BMI is 29.9 (so basically 30), that places me in the grade II obesity class according to the WHO.
Face it, we’re all unhealthy fuckers…
“If I can do it, you can do it!”- er… actually Kevin
[quote]Cprimero wrote:
“If I can do it, you can do it!”- er… actually Kevin[/quote]
He’s getting back into he shape he was in through most of his life when he was younger. Yes, most people can do that. Unfortunately, so few ever push themselves hard enough to actually be in any outstanding condition that they should have even less of a journey to get back to it.
Muscle memory doesn’t just work for Kevin…but the muscle had to be there in the first place to gain it back.
I doubt we have to worry about too many Abercrombie kiddies ever having enough muscle to begin with.