Let's Process Our Feelings

I’m flying out tomorrow to see my girlfriend for the first time since late October, early November when she spent a few weeks back this way. I get to see her new place and her new life. This will be my first time out to see her since she moved in August.

Besides the reunion, we’ve got both her and my birthday to celebrate, and Christmas. It’s going to be a hell of a week.

I’m sure it will be fine, but I’m a bit of a wreck. I’m so good at suppressing everything that I hadn’t really noticed until the last couple days.

It’s interesting how much I’m struggling to open up on this; even here I’m backing off and sticking to the facts only. Too much to process at once, that’s about all I can deal with. Random important girl from my past, I can talk about. Stuff at work, fine, even from a “how I feel about it” standpoint. Parents, family, friends, vacations, everything fine. But with this, I’m clamming up. That’s significant, but I haven’t a clue what it means.

Maybe I’ll be able to talk about it when I get back.

I do that, too, LoRez, believe it or not. Sometimes I have to process internally before I can process externally. Mostly I’m struggling to identify a problem before I’m ready to talk about it. Another possibility is that you don’t want others’ input. Either way, safe travels and have a good time.

One thing that really galls me about feminism is the idea that a male should have no say in whether a female has an abortion or not. I always tell guys that the last choice they really get to make is whether or not to have sex and with or without a condom. After that, it’s all her.

That’s not to say that I think a boy should be able to insist a girl get an abortion, but if that’s what he wants perhaps the negotiation should be around her taking full responsibility. If she gets pregnant and doesn’t want the baby but he does, maybe the negotiation should be around him offering to take full responsibility. There are problems with both scenarios because it’s more complex than that, but I don’t like the current system.

I have stuff to process but I don’t know exactly what it is. I sort of feel like I’ve had a mirror epiphany to orion’s, sort of the opposite. It stems from my lunch with the libertine. I think the reason it went so well for me from a who-flustered-whom perspective is that I took sexy out to play, which I never have before with a stranger, or with anyone, really, except the ex-boyfriend.

When I was married the sexual dynamic was very odd. We’d have a period of no sex (these got longer and longer over the years) with sudden revival/honeymoon phases. These might start with having sex twice in a day, then taper down over the course of a week. I’ve known for a while that the ex was like a sexual carrion eater somehow - he wanted me when I was dead in that regard. Once I started to wake up and get invested he withdrew. He’d talk about sexy underwear and such, but when I was actually in them and behaving seductively (to the limited extent I knew how to) he cut me off. Very hurtful.

Then along came Tim, who responded with such overwhelming enthusiasm to everything. It spurred me on because the feedback loop was so positive, and I Ioved responding freely and then eventually seducing him back. It was fun shocking him as I became less inhibited, which then became fun jokes. I announced one day as he came back from the bathroom at a restaurant that I’d just been checking out his package, for instance. Thereafter he’d notice me doing it and accuse me of objectifying him. Then we’d fool around. Occasionally he’d say with mock horror “you’re thinking about sex, aren’t you!” and I’d give a sultry response (he was always right, he could tell). Normal stuff, I think, but not for me.

I didn’t say or do anything overt with the libertine, but I think I let that element of my nature show clearly. Previously I’ve kept it well hidden.

So, my epiphany is that I can be smoldering if I want. My further epiphany is that I want to share that with someone who also appreciates the regular me. I don’t want to smolder with randoms and I don’t want to attach men to me with that (libertine in hot pursuit now, because I got busy at work and never managed to write to tell him never mind). That’s a thing I adored with Tim. The look on his face when I did surprising or sexy things, being able to seduce him with my eyes, occasionally meeting him at the door with seductive clothes on. Those were good things.

In other processing news, he emailed this week (first time long time) to say that he hoped I was staying warm in the union suit and wooly hunter hat (that he gave me, both as jokes, but I loved them both). The subject line was “cold cold cold,” which he’s done many times before, I think it may be a song lyric. But I have all his winter coats. He left them behind and came to pick up stuff in storage within a week of my having discovered that he’d been cheating. He emailed to notify me that he’d be in town in case I wanted to leave the state. (lol) I mentioned having the coats and he said to drop them at his former place. I decided not to (last days of old job, busy, wasn’t feeling generous) and emailed that they’d be on my front porch. I don’t know whether he didn’t get the email or what, but didn’t get the coats. So they need to be shipped. Or, not. I’ve had strong feelings around the coats (guilt that he may be cold, fury over the way he treated me) and time keeps passing and I keep not doing it. I don’t know whether the email was meant to be passive-aggressive, maybe not, but I decided to respond as if it was about the coats and was able to get some of my feelings off my chest, which I think was good for me.

[quote]I’m sorry about the coats. Every time I think “okay, today I’ll box them up” I get upset all over again, wind up feeling sad and then embarrassed about being such a colossal joke in that relationship, and then getting angry and thinking I’ll throw them away because I well remember you telling me I needed to figure something out about my stuff at Pam’s because as you said: “I’m not paying for your shit.” As if I’d have expected you to. Then I think why do you get to have everyone treat you better than you treat them, and then I wind up hurting all over again about how much I loved you and wanted you but how little it mattered.

One of these days I’ll be able to cope better with it all and I’ll send the coats. Or I’ll get mad enough to throw them away.

I wanted to email you on New Year’s Day and beg you to stop drinking and get your shit together, but went through the same process as above and didn’t do that either.[/quote]

I feel better acknowledging the coats for some reason. I don’t mean to torture him, but it’s still fucking with my head. I was glad to have a chance to say so. His response was “Thanks.” :-/

I think that’s all my processing for now. I should go run.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
In other processing news, he emailed this week (first time long time) to say that he hoped I was staying warm in the union suit and wooly hunter hat (that he gave me, both as jokes, but I loved them both). The subject line was “cold cold cold,” which he’s done many times before, I think it may be a song lyric. But I have all his winter coats. He left them behind and came to pick up stuff in storage within a week of my having discovered that he’d been cheating. He emailed to notify me that he’d be in town in case I wanted to leave the state. (lol) I mentioned having the coats and he said to drop them at his former place. I decided not to (last days of old job, busy, wasn’t feeling generous) and emailed that they’d be on my front porch. I don’t know whether he didn’t get the email or what, but didn’t get the coats. So they need to be shipped. Or, not. I’ve had strong feelings around the coats (guilt that he may be cold, fury over the way he treated me) and time keeps passing and I keep not doing it. I don’t know whether the email was meant to be passive-aggressive, maybe not, but I decided to respond as if it was about the coats and was able to get some of my feelings off my chest, which I think was good for me.

[quote]I’m sorry about the coats. Every time I think “okay, today I’ll box them up” I get upset all over again, wind up feeling sad and then embarrassed about being such a colossal joke in that relationship, and then getting angry and thinking I’ll throw them away because I well remember you telling me I needed to figure something out about my stuff at Pam’s because as you said: “I’m not paying for your shit.” As if I’d have expected you to. Then I think why do you get to have everyone treat you better than you treat them, and then I wind up hurting all over again about how much I loved you and wanted you but how little it mattered.

One of these days I’ll be able to cope better with it all and I’ll send the coats. Or I’ll get mad enough to throw them away.

I wanted to email you on New Year’s Day and beg you to stop drinking and get your shit together, but went through the same process as above and didn’t do that either.[/quote]

I feel better acknowledging the coats for some reason. I don’t mean to torture him, but it’s still fucking with my head. I was glad to have a chance to say so. His response was “Thanks.” :-/

I think that’s all my processing for now. I should go run.

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He’s just being a passive-aggressive whiner; how not alpha! He can buy a new coat or deal with being cold or just send you a damn message saying “Give me back my fucking coats bitch.”

To which you could reply “Fuck you and fuck your coats.”

Either way, you should do something with the coats so he doesn’t come up again in your life. Either mail them back or throw them out.

Also:

“She’s so cold, cold, cold”

[quote]LoRez wrote:
I’m flying out tomorrow to see my girlfriend for the first time since late October, early November when she spent a few weeks back this way. I get to see her new place and her new life. This will be my first time out to see her since she moved in August.[/quote]

This in and of itself is anxiety-causing, since I’m currently planning on moving out there. It’s the future move that has me anxious. Also the fact that our lifestyles have diverged quite a bit since being apart. Fear of the unknown driving most of this.

This is an issue because I have a lot of trouble with gift-giving in the first place, and while I was planning on taking a full weekend and the rest of the week to shop for her, but I was snowed in until yesterday. So I’m not going to be arriving with much of anything except myself since I couldn’t get the shopping done. Guilt driving most of this. Guilt from a) being bad at gift giving, and b) not having planned more than a week ahead to go shopping and not being able to do it.

And I’m also feeling behind at work, since the last month has been a couple days of work, off and on. Now that everyone else is getting back in the swing of things, I won’t be there. And I still have a lot to get done before my flight.

(UPDATE: work has been taken care of; no stress at this point).

Once I’m with her though, things will be good. No doubt about that.

But procrastination seems to be killing me; that’s the root of these problems. What’s driving the procrastination, I’m not so sure.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

It’s become pretty clear (at least to me) that you are rarely going to have anything to worry about in such situations.

The only issue seems to be your ability to believe that.

Not at all a criticism; I am sometimes that way myself.

But I thought that hearing it from a neutral party might help you a little with getting over it.
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Make that two neutral parties, because I think so, too.[/quote]

I think it’s something I just haven’t grown into. I remember with tree cutting that after I certain point it was something that I just assumed. After a certain point it was just another day and we were going to knock it out.

Fwiw- I started getting antsy this morning when the agency didn’t call me in for a drug test so I called a little bit ago. The manufacturer went with another person. The agent said the feedback he got was all good though, so it’s on to the next one.

I’m also supposed to go to my father in laws machine shop to install a new piece of equipment this weekend. I’m thinking that we should have a serious talk about adding welding to the repertoire. We’ve touched on it before and it seems pretty sensible.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
In other processing news, he emailed this week (first time long time) to say that he hoped I was staying warm in the union suit and wooly hunter hat (that he gave me, both as jokes, but I loved them both). The subject line was “cold cold cold,” which he’s done many times before, I think it may be a song lyric. But I have all his winter coats. He left them behind and came to pick up stuff in storage within a week of my having discovered that he’d been cheating. He emailed to notify me that he’d be in town in case I wanted to leave the state. (lol) I mentioned having the coats and he said to drop them at his former place. I decided not to (last days of old job, busy, wasn’t feeling generous) and emailed that they’d be on my front porch. I don’t know whether he didn’t get the email or what, but didn’t get the coats. So they need to be shipped. Or, not. I’ve had strong feelings around the coats (guilt that he may be cold, fury over the way he treated me) and time keeps passing and I keep not doing it. I don’t know whether the email was meant to be passive-aggressive, maybe not, but I decided to respond as if it was about the coats and was able to get some of my feelings off my chest, which I think was good for me.

[quote]I’m sorry about the coats. Every time I think “okay, today I’ll box them up” I get upset all over again, wind up feeling sad and then embarrassed about being such a colossal joke in that relationship, and then getting angry and thinking I’ll throw them away because I well remember you telling me I needed to figure something out about my stuff at Pam’s because as you said: “I’m not paying for your shit.” As if I’d have expected you to. Then I think why do you get to have everyone treat you better than you treat them, and then I wind up hurting all over again about how much I loved you and wanted you but how little it mattered.

One of these days I’ll be able to cope better with it all and I’ll send the coats. Or I’ll get mad enough to throw them away.

I wanted to email you on New Year’s Day and beg you to stop drinking and get your shit together, but went through the same process as above and didn’t do that either.[/quote]

I feel better acknowledging the coats for some reason. I don’t mean to torture him, but it’s still fucking with my head. I was glad to have a chance to say so. His response was “Thanks.” :-/

I think that’s all my processing for now. I should go run.

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He’s just being a passive-aggressive whiner; how not alpha! He can buy a new coat or deal with being cold or just send you a damn message saying “Give me back my fucking coats bitch.”

To which you could reply “Fuck you and fuck your coats.”

Either way, you should do something with the coats so he doesn’t come up again in your life. Either mail them back or throw them out.[/quote]

You know, she has stuff at your place, you at hers, and you are kind of reluctant to get it all back because it is the last connection you really have.

Its a bit sentimental, yes.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
In other processing news, he emailed this week (first time long time) to say that he hoped I was staying warm in the union suit and wooly hunter hat (that he gave me, both as jokes, but I loved them both). The subject line was “cold cold cold,” which he’s done many times before, I think it may be a song lyric. But I have all his winter coats. He left them behind and came to pick up stuff in storage within a week of my having discovered that he’d been cheating. He emailed to notify me that he’d be in town in case I wanted to leave the state. (lol) I mentioned having the coats and he said to drop them at his former place. I decided not to (last days of old job, busy, wasn’t feeling generous) and emailed that they’d be on my front porch. I don’t know whether he didn’t get the email or what, but didn’t get the coats. So they need to be shipped. Or, not. I’ve had strong feelings around the coats (guilt that he may be cold, fury over the way he treated me) and time keeps passing and I keep not doing it. I don’t know whether the email was meant to be passive-aggressive, maybe not, but I decided to respond as if it was about the coats and was able to get some of my feelings off my chest, which I think was good for me.

[quote]I’m sorry about the coats. Every time I think “okay, today I’ll box them up” I get upset all over again, wind up feeling sad and then embarrassed about being such a colossal joke in that relationship, and then getting angry and thinking I’ll throw them away because I well remember you telling me I needed to figure something out about my stuff at Pam’s because as you said: “I’m not paying for your shit.” As if I’d have expected you to. Then I think why do you get to have everyone treat you better than you treat them, and then I wind up hurting all over again about how much I loved you and wanted you but how little it mattered.

One of these days I’ll be able to cope better with it all and I’ll send the coats. Or I’ll get mad enough to throw them away.

I wanted to email you on New Year’s Day and beg you to stop drinking and get your shit together, but went through the same process as above and didn’t do that either.[/quote]

I feel better acknowledging the coats for some reason. I don’t mean to torture him, but it’s still fucking with my head. I was glad to have a chance to say so. His response was “Thanks.” :-/

I think that’s all my processing for now. I should go run.

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He’s just being a passive-aggressive whiner; how not alpha! He can buy a new coat or deal with being cold or just send you a damn message saying “Give me back my fucking coats bitch.”

To which you could reply “Fuck you and fuck your coats.”

Either way, you should do something with the coats so he doesn’t come up again in your life. Either mail them back or throw them out.[/quote]

You know, she has stuff at your place, you at hers, and you are kind of reluctant to get it all back because it is the last connection you really have.

Its a bit sentimental, yes.[/quote]

I don’t think I’m sentimental about it. I mean, if I want sentimentality I have the union suit and wooly trapper hat, which I love but can’t bring myself to enjoy currently, along with earrings and a bracelet, about which I’m not sentimental at all. I mean, I recognize them as from him, but I don’t feel about them the way I do about the warm things. I also have some underthings he gave me, which I’ll throw away when I get to it.

Mostly I just don’t want to deal with the stupid coats or him, but I can’t bring myself to throw them away because that seems needlessly cruel. So I just keep pushing the thought away. He can buy a coat to get by with for now. I’m sure he already has.

Haha, you should keep the underwear and have a good chuckle when you put them on for a guy that matters. I think it may be empowering for you.

[quote]Severiano wrote:
Haha, you should keep the underwear and have a good chuckle when you put them on for a guy that matters. I think it may be empowering for you. [/quote]

No, that wouldn’t be empowering, that would be unfair to both men, particularly the one I decide matters. I would be inviting Tim into his bed, and on a vindictive note to boot. I like to have happy sex, not bitter, sullen sex. lol

Skyz, I just realized that I didn’t post my regret about the job, I just thought it. It sounds like it went well regardless and you’ll soon be on your way. Job hunting and interviewing can be disheartening - good feedback is so helpful.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Skyz, I just realized that I didn’t post my regret about the job, I just thought it. It sounds like it went well regardless and you’ll soon be on your way. Job hunting and interviewing can be disheartening - good feedback is so helpful.[/quote]

Thanks Em. It has given me some food for thought. It seems that the theme of a couple of things I’ve brought up here has been a lack of confidence or realization of my personal development and accomplishments. I’m relying on others acceptance and approval in place of my own. I don’t know how much professional stock you put in Eriksons stages of development, but I’ve looked it over a few times and discussed some of it with my old professor. The first six stages up to age 27 had been pretty much a train wreck. He kinda laughed and said “Oh! Your daddy didn’t like your birdhouse. Look on the bright side, you’ve made it this far!”. But from time to time I still catch glimpses of how it seems like my earlier years really may have affected me. Introspection can be a PITA!

Somewhat related- Some stuff has developed with my wife and a situation at work that has bled into our home lives. She has a codependent streak a mile wide. She supervises a team of agents on sales campaign in a call center. One of the women on her team has been her focus since she (other woman) was hired. The woman was/is in a relationship with a violent, possessive, and in my opinion- possibly homicidal guy. He has gone as far as beating her in the parking lot of their building in front of witnesses. As much as she says she wants to separate- even going to a battered womens shelter- the guy just “magically” appears in places like a Christmas party we were at (my wife has gotten her involved in a 12 step codependency program) and an apartment that the woman got to supposedly escape from him. She acts surprised and terrified that he’s there, while he is genuinely confused as to why she called him if she’s going to act like she does. Here’s where it comes too close to home though- Violent Guy texted my wife to check up on his girlfriend on Tuesday upon getting out of jail for beating her up in her apartment on Sunday.

Somehow along the way he managed to get my wifes phone number (she gave it to her team for call offs). She has changed it since then, but there doesn’t seem to be any end to the means this guy will employ to get at his girlfriend, and my wife has in some ways put herself between him and her.

I’m pissed off at my wife for bringing that crap home no matter how well intended or inadvertent and she doesn’t see anything wrong with what she did. I’m concerned for her safety at work, and apprehensive about what it may come to if the guy also has our home address. Violent guy alsoo knows which al-anon meetings they went to, where, and when.

I feel like she fucked up a very happy and safe environment and repertoire of activities that we’ve had by getting involved with an extremely self centered and toxic woman. My sense of safety has been breached.


Is this thread open to cheese?

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Skyz, I just realized that I didn’t post my regret about the job, I just thought it. It sounds like it went well regardless and you’ll soon be on your way. Job hunting and interviewing can be disheartening - good feedback is so helpful.[/quote]

Thanks Em. It has given me some food for thought. It seems that the theme of a couple of things I’ve brought up here has been a lack of confidence or realization of my personal development and accomplishments. I’m relying on others acceptance and approval in place of my own. I don’t know how much professional stock you put in Eriksons stages of development, but I’ve looked it over a few times and discussed some of it with my old professor. The first six stages up to age 27 had been pretty much a train wreck. He kinda laughed and said “Oh! Your daddy didn’t like your birdhouse. Look on the bright side, you’ve made it this far!”. But from time to time I still catch glimpses of how it seems like my earlier years really may have affected me. Introspection can be a PITA!
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They really do and never go away, but you can make them a progressively smaller percentage of yourself. You almost came across as a badass to me personally. Can’t really articulate why at the moment, but you did. Anywho…

I have a level of experience with this to a degree. Thankfully, my presence seems to diffuse most situations of this nature for whatever reason. Obviously getting law enforcement involved isn’t always prudent or even fruitful. How the hell is he roaming about when he’s committed assault and battery in front of people? Did no one press charges?

Anywho… this woman needs to press charges. It sucks honestly. He already knows your wife knows her, so he’s not going to forgo that connection. Dude’s a headcase. It’s a strong possibility that she still has contact with him or with a third party that feeds him information.

As much as I’m sure you don’t want to be involved, you are via your wife. Just laying out logistics here. Sorry I can’t give more solid advice (i.e. advice that doesn’t endorse illegal activity, risky behavior, and life alterations but still provides solutions).

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

They really do and never go away, but you can make them a progressively smaller percentage of yourself. You almost came across as a badass to me personally. Can’t really articulate why at the moment, but you did. Anywho…
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That has always been the role. Early life was very violent, and I’ve had a few short stays in jail and a number of years on probation. More on that in a moment…

[quote]
I have a level of experience with this to a degree. Thankfully, my presence seems to diffuse most situations of this nature for whatever reason. Obviously getting law enforcement involved isn’t always prudent or even fruitful. How the hell is he roaming about when he’s committed assault and battery in front of people? Did no one press charges? Anywho… this woman needs to press charges. It sucks honestly. He already knows your wife knows her, so he’s not going to forgo that connection. Dude’s a headcase. It’s a strong possibility that she still has contact with him or with a third party that feeds him information. As much as I’m sure you don’t want to be involved, you are via your wife. Just laying out logistics here. Sorry I can’t give more solid advice (i.e. advice that doesn’t endorse illegal activity, risky behavior, and life alterations but still provides solutions).[/quote]

Me too. One old friend of mine is in prison for aggravated murder, but as they say, no one is ever convicted of all of the crimes they’ve committed. Another more casual acquaintance also did an “If I can’t have her no one can” to his girlfriend. Thats what sets me on edge.

This guy fits the progression of violence that ends badly, and my wifes friend does keep contacting him, no matter how bad it gets. She also forfeits any and all information about where she’s going and what she’s doing, who she’s with, etc. to the guy. She’s gotten PFAs then breaks them herself and won’t assist prosecution.

It makes me angry that the guy might show up here looking for her. I’ve never had a problem with meeting aggression with force(depending on how you look at it), but one of the main focuses of life for a long time has been to not have to. I told my wife when she first started talking about this woman that she needs to keep it professional. She didn’t listen.

I told her again when it got violent at work- to no avail. When she got the text and the true nature of these idiots hit home she has started paying attention.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

They really do and never go away, but you can make them a progressively smaller percentage of yourself. You almost came across as a badass to me personally. Can’t really articulate why at the moment, but you did. Anywho…
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That has always been the role. Early life was very violent, and I’ve had a few short stays in jail and a number of years on probation. More on that in a moment…[/quote]
I meant always not “almost” just FYI lol.

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Yeah same here. I think your wife knows well enough now to pull out. Just be prepared for the possibility that this woman may at some point concoct and relay a story with your wife’s name in it to Mr. Brown.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Is this thread open to cheese?[/quote]

Oh yeah, didn’t mean to neglect this.

That asparagus over in the corner steamed and covered with a nice cheese sauce would be great right about now.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Is this thread open to cheese?[/quote]

Oh yeah, didn’t mean to neglect this.

That asparagus over in the corner steamed and covered with a nice cheese sauce would be great right about now.
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LOL It actually does.