Let's Process Our Feelings

[quote]Severiano wrote:
Emily, something you wrote earlier about being abandoned by your mother struck a chord with me. I was abandoned also but by my father… You see where this is going?

Do you think not having a mother around has an effect on how you are as an adult woman? I ask because I’m certain it has an effect on me, it’s had an effect on me damned near my while life. I think not having a dad around is one of the reasons I joined the Corps, I think I was seeking out father like figures, go figure. After what I’ve gone through in that pursuit, I kinda have my own home made ideas of what being a man is about. Do you have any similar experiences or parallels about being a woman? There was a time where I needed to like, define man to myself, so I could have direction as to who I wanted to be/become in a sense.

There are things that impacted me negatively in sports being raised by a single mother, as when she went at the coaches they didn’t know how to deal with her and ended up causing a bit of drama. I remember so few people sticking up for my mother, but my mother sticking up for people wherever she could. I think this is something that really stuck with me that I like and am proud of, but like you I’m also incredibly short with flaky and clingy women. The abandonment issues are there as well, I have a pretty hard core loyalty about myself since I was abandoned and so few men stuck up for me in my youth.

Of course, it’s obviously more complicated than I’m leading on, but that’s it in a nutshell. [/quote]

Have you read Iron John by Robert Bly? You should. AngryChicken recommended it on here a long while back and I can’t repeat enough how grateful I am that he did.

I grew up without a father past the age of 13, and although he died as opposed to walking out, it still had a profound effect on me. That book was practically a father figure for me. A much needed one, at that. Bly actually speaks about how some males join the military (or gangs) because they’re looking for a father figure.

For what it’s worth, I’d be very interested in any insight you (and/or Emily!) have as far as healing said wounds, so to speak. I’d like to think I’m doing a pretty good job of making up for it, but both of you seem to have a very stable head on your shoulders and I’m always open to advice.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Okay, so latest confusing thing: last night was the 4th date with the hockey player. The plan was for him to pick me up and we have a glass of wine here, then to dinner, then drinks. I’m very clear about the need to go dutch or pick up every other check or whatever, so as not to prostitute myself for a dinner or build either of our expectations that we’re in a relationship.

So, last night he showed up with FOUR Christmas presents (one probably +/- $50, the others minor), plus cheese, wine, chocolate. . . . and then we went for a sushi feast, which was my turn to pay for (and then some) but no, he did the quick check-grab thing (I don’t know how to manage the check thing - to what degree do I argue or launch myself after the check?), so I wound up buying a couple glasses of wine after, when we switched places. Which has been the pattern. He buys $100 dinners, I buy $24 drinks. I didn’t get him a gift. :-/

Now I feel obligated, but to what? I’m thinking I’ll offer to cook dinner, but is that as much as saying “now we’re officially together”? I like him, but I’m not ready to say that this is the one because he’s nice and quietly funny and very thoughtful. Though he is all those things and I do like him. I still don’t know about sex. We kissed twice last night, but chastely. I don’t actually want to have sex with him now, I just don’t know what that would be like if we did become closer, in terms of compatibility.

Please advise. Should I shoot him? Or is this workable? What’s my next move? I still want to meet Iraq (returning Feb 8th).
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The only thing I think are obligated to do (to yourself, not to him) is to tell him that when you said you go dutch, you mean it. I only say that because you worded it “I’m very clear about the need to go dutch.” You mentioned it that it’s a need, not just a want, and now you’re in a position you’re clearly uncomfortable with because he ignored your need. If he had respected your need to go dutch, you wouldn’t have this poor taste left in your mouth from an otherwise good date.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Okay, so latest confusing thing:
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This guy sounds very nice plus intelligent, educated, athletic, and chivalrous. If any of my nieces brought someone like him around I’d be proud of them for making a very good decision about who they spend their time with.

So whats holding you back from the libido going berserk? Conscious effort or just not feeling it?

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Okay, so latest confusing thing:
[/quote]

This guy sounds very nice plus intelligent, educated, athletic, and chivalrous. If any of my nieces brought someone like him around I’d be proud of them for making a very good decision about who they spend their time with.

So whats holding you back from the libido going berserk? Conscious effort or just not feeling it?
[/quote]

This guy is practically ramming himself into the provider role even though she tells him not to and is killing the tingles.

Military guy is distant by default.

Its not rocket surgery.

Presents, bill paying and chaste kissing, oh my…

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Okay, so latest confusing thing:
[/quote]

This guy sounds very nice plus intelligent, educated, athletic, and chivalrous. If any of my nieces brought someone like him around I’d be proud of them for making a very good decision about who they spend their time with.

So whats holding you back from the libido going berserk? Conscious effort or just not feeling it?
[/quote]

This guy is practically ramming himself into the provider role even though she tells him not to and is killing the tingles.

Military guy is distant by default.

Its not rocket surgery.

Presents, bill paying and chaste kissing, oh my…[/quote]

Sure, but the provider role is a masculine characteristic and very hard to deny. Who doesn’t want to be a good provider? The guy who wants to hit and run- but even he will feign being a provider until after hitting it. But I can see how that could kill the tingles if it is not wanted. I guess my question would be “Can you blame him?”.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Okay, so latest confusing thing:
[/quote]

This guy sounds very nice plus intelligent, educated, athletic, and chivalrous. If any of my nieces brought someone like him around I’d be proud of them for making a very good decision about who they spend their time with.

So whats holding you back from the libido going berserk? Conscious effort or just not feeling it?
[/quote]

This guy is practically ramming himself into the provider role even though she tells him not to and is killing the tingles.

Military guy is distant by default.

Its not rocket surgery.

Presents, bill paying and chaste kissing, oh my…[/quote]

Sure, but the provider role is a masculine characteristic and very hard to deny. Who doesn’t want to be a good provider? The guy who wants to hit and run- but even he will feign being a provider until after hitting it. But I can see how that could kill the tingles if it is not wanted. I guess my question would be “Can you blame him?”.

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Yes, I can, because he tries to get her into a relationship.

That is not his job, his job is to get HER into the sack.

Her job is to get HIM into a relationship.

No only is he denying her the satisfaction of locking him down with her womanly wiles, the thrill of the hunt, he also starts on the wrong foot entirely because you can get from a lover position into a provider-ish one, but not the other way around.

Also, human beings being what they, they value a thing more if they have to work for it.

Finally it is a big tactictal mistake on its own because if he stumbles over a woman who simply wants to fuck he also has put the wrong foot forward and he has no way of knowing who he is dealing with.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Okay, so latest confusing thing:
[/quote]

This guy sounds very nice plus intelligent, educated, athletic, and chivalrous. If any of my nieces brought someone like him around I’d be proud of them for making a very good decision about who they spend their time with.

So whats holding you back from the libido going berserk? Conscious effort or just not feeling it?
[/quote]

This guy is practically ramming himself into the provider role even though she tells him not to and is killing the tingles.

Military guy is distant by default.

Its not rocket surgery.

Presents, bill paying and chaste kissing, oh my…[/quote]

Sure, but the provider role is a masculine characteristic and very hard to deny. Who doesn’t want to be a good provider? The guy who wants to hit and run- but even he will feign being a provider until after hitting it. But I can see how that could kill the tingles if it is not wanted. I guess my question would be “Can you blame him?”.

[/quote]

Yes, I can, because he tries to get her into a relationship.

That is not his job, his job is to get HER into the sack.

Her job is to get HIM into a relationship.

No only is he denying her the satisfaction of locking him down with her womanly wiles, the thrill of the hunt, he also starts on the wrong foot entirely because you can get from a lover position into a provider-ish one, but not the other way around.

Also, human beings being what they, they value a thing more if they have to work for it.

Finally it is a big tactictal mistake on its own because if he stumbles over a woman who simply wants to fuck he also has put the wrong foot forward and he has no way of knowing who he is dealing with. [/quote]

Eh, those roles are up to the two people in the way that they interact and decide what they want from each other. Aside from the basic stratagems and devices to get some sexy time, it gets a lot more complicated when actually trying to develop a relationship.

Thats where game ends and real relationship development skills begin. Trust me. I can tap ass like it’s a reflex. Actually developing a sustainable relationship is a whole different ball game.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Okay, so latest confusing thing:
[/quote]

This guy sounds very nice plus intelligent, educated, athletic, and chivalrous. If any of my nieces brought someone like him around I’d be proud of them for making a very good decision about who they spend their time with.

So whats holding you back from the libido going berserk? Conscious effort or just not feeling it?
[/quote]

This guy is practically ramming himself into the provider role even though she tells him not to and is killing the tingles.

Military guy is distant by default.

Its not rocket surgery.

Presents, bill paying and chaste kissing, oh my…[/quote]

Sure, but the provider role is a masculine characteristic and very hard to deny. Who doesn’t want to be a good provider? The guy who wants to hit and run- but even he will feign being a provider until after hitting it. But I can see how that could kill the tingles if it is not wanted. I guess my question would be “Can you blame him?”.

[/quote]

Yes, I can, because he tries to get her into a relationship.

That is not his job, his job is to get HER into the sack.

Her job is to get HIM into a relationship.

No only is he denying her the satisfaction of locking him down with her womanly wiles, the thrill of the hunt, he also starts on the wrong foot entirely because you can get from a lover position into a provider-ish one, but not the other way around.

Also, human beings being what they, they value a thing more if they have to work for it.

Finally it is a big tactictal mistake on its own because if he stumbles over a woman who simply wants to fuck he also has put the wrong foot forward and he has no way of knowing who he is dealing with. [/quote]

Eh, those roles are up to the two people in the way that they interact and decide what they want from each other. Aside from the basic stratagems and devices to get some sexy time, it gets a lot more complicated when actually trying to develop a relationship.

Thats where game ends and real relationship development skills begin. Trust me. I can tap ass like it’s a reflex. Actually developing a sustainable relationship is a whole different ball game.

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And again, even if he wants a relationship it is a much better idea letting her hunt him down.

I am not saying that he cannot let himself be caught.

He is like a deer that walks up to a hunter and just keels over, he is no challenge at all and as you can see it is clearly not working.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Okay, so latest confusing thing:
[/quote]

This guy sounds very nice plus intelligent, educated, athletic, and chivalrous. If any of my nieces brought someone like him around I’d be proud of them for making a very good decision about who they spend their time with.

So whats holding you back from the libido going berserk? Conscious effort or just not feeling it?
[/quote]

This guy is practically ramming himself into the provider role even though she tells him not to and is killing the tingles.

Military guy is distant by default.

Its not rocket surgery.

Presents, bill paying and chaste kissing, oh my…[/quote]

Sure, but the provider role is a masculine characteristic and very hard to deny. Who doesn’t want to be a good provider? The guy who wants to hit and run- but even he will feign being a provider until after hitting it. But I can see how that could kill the tingles if it is not wanted. I guess my question would be “Can you blame him?”.

[/quote]

Yes, I can, because he tries to get her into a relationship.

That is not his job, his job is to get HER into the sack.

Her job is to get HIM into a relationship.

No only is he denying her the satisfaction of locking him down with her womanly wiles, the thrill of the hunt, he also starts on the wrong foot entirely because you can get from a lover position into a provider-ish one, but not the other way around.

Also, human beings being what they, they value a thing more if they have to work for it.

Finally it is a big tactictal mistake on its own because if he stumbles over a woman who simply wants to fuck he also has put the wrong foot forward and he has no way of knowing who he is dealing with. [/quote]

X 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Couldn’t have said it any better myself

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Okay, so latest confusing thing:
[/quote]

This guy sounds very nice plus intelligent, educated, athletic, and chivalrous. If any of my nieces brought someone like him around I’d be proud of them for making a very good decision about who they spend their time with.

So whats holding you back from the libido going berserk? Conscious effort or just not feeling it?
[/quote]

This guy is practically ramming himself into the provider role even though she tells him not to and is killing the tingles.

Military guy is distant by default.

Its not rocket surgery.

Presents, bill paying and chaste kissing, oh my…[/quote]

Sure, but the provider role is a masculine characteristic and very hard to deny. Who doesn’t want to be a good provider? The guy who wants to hit and run- but even he will feign being a provider until after hitting it. But I can see how that could kill the tingles if it is not wanted. I guess my question would be “Can you blame him?”.

[/quote]

Yes, I can, because he tries to get her into a relationship.

That is not his job, his job is to get HER into the sack.

Her job is to get HIM into a relationship.

No only is he denying her the satisfaction of locking him down with her womanly wiles, the thrill of the hunt, he also starts on the wrong foot entirely because you can get from a lover position into a provider-ish one, but not the other way around.

Also, human beings being what they, they value a thing more if they have to work for it.

Finally it is a big tactictal mistake on its own because if he stumbles over a woman who simply wants to fuck he also has put the wrong foot forward and he has no way of knowing who he is dealing with. [/quote]

Eh, those roles are up to the two people in the way that they interact and decide what they want from each other. Aside from the basic stratagems and devices to get some sexy time, it gets a lot more complicated when actually trying to develop a relationship.

Thats where game ends and real relationship development skills begin. Trust me. I can tap ass like it’s a reflex. Actually developing a sustainable relationship is a whole different ball game.

[/quote]

Skyz, you are obviously skilled enough to navigate BOTH the arenas of attraction AND relationship. Mr. Hockey is showing strong signs of “relationship skillz”, but not “attraction skillz”. A relationship (at least one with mind blowing passionate sex) is a fire that is KINDLED by the spark of attraction… He’s not igniting that spark in her at all - in fact, just the opposite. He is also failing to REALIZE this and adjust which shows lack of empathy and poor situational awareness/social intelligence. She can, and should, do better.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
Emily, something you wrote earlier about being abandoned by your mother struck a chord with me. I was abandoned also but by my father… You see where this is going?

Do you think not having a mother around has an effect on how you are as an adult woman? I ask because I’m certain it has an effect on me, it’s had an effect on me damned near my while life. I think not having a dad around is one of the reasons I joined the Corps, I think I was seeking out father like figures, go figure. After what I’ve gone through in that pursuit, I kinda have my own home made ideas of what being a man is about. Do you have any similar experiences or parallels about being a woman? There was a time where I needed to like, define man to myself, so I could have direction as to who I wanted to be/become in a sense.

There are things that impacted me negatively in sports being raised by a single mother, as when she went at the coaches they didn’t know how to deal with her and ended up causing a bit of drama. I remember so few people sticking up for my mother, but my mother sticking up for people wherever she could. I think this is something that really stuck with me that I like and am proud of, but like you I’m also incredibly short with flaky and clingy women. The abandonment issues are there as well, I have a pretty hard core loyalty about myself since I was abandoned and so few men stuck up for me in my youth.

Of course, it’s obviously more complicated than I’m leading on, but that’s it in a nutshell. [/quote]

Have you read Iron John by Robert Bly? You should. AngryChicken recommended it on here a long while back and I can’t repeat enough how grateful I am that he did.

I grew up without a father past the age of 13, and although he died as opposed to walking out, it still had a profound effect on me. That book was practically a father figure for me. A much needed one, at that. Bly actually speaks about how some males join the military (or gangs) because they’re looking for a father figure.

For what it’s worth, I’d be very interested in any insight you (and/or Emily!) have as far as healing said wounds, so to speak. I’d like to think I’m doing a pretty good job of making up for it, but both of you seem to have a very stable head on your shoulders and I’m always open to advice.[/quote]

Thanks, rrjc. Another book that is helpful AFTER Iron John is King, Warrior, Magician, Lover. It just introduces some concepts of various masculine energies. Many men (myself included) who grew up without fathers who were around (or worth a fuck) tend to get stuck in Warrior or Lover archetypes. Your King and Magician are very important to nurture as well.

Keep in mind, they are just “archetypes” that are used kind of like what mythology used to be used for. They are very basic and limited - kind of like training wheels. We are far more complex than four simple energies. But it’s a good start.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Okay, so latest confusing thing:
[/quote]

This guy sounds very nice plus intelligent, educated, athletic, and chivalrous. If any of my nieces brought someone like him around I’d be proud of them for making a very good decision about who they spend their time with.

So whats holding you back from the libido going berserk? Conscious effort or just not feeling it?
[/quote]

This is a good question, and one I was thinking about while I worked out. I think both. My sexuality is responsive, and there hasn’t been anything to respond to. Also, I’m holding out for the Iraq guy. He may be much more intriguing as a distant idea than a reality, but I want to see.

Too much to respond to right now (date with a whole new guy) but I don’t think I’ve made clear to HIM my desire to go dutch, just that that’s how I see dating in this day and age. I don’t know what sort of income differential, if any, there is - he may be clearer on that and taking that into account. But I haven’t made an announcement, just attempted to pay half the first time (I carry cash for dates) and take turns thereafter.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Skyz, you are obviously skilled enough to navigate BOTH the arenas of attraction AND relationship. Mr. Hockey is showing strong signs of “relationship skillz”, but not “attraction skillz”. A relationship (at least one with mind blowing passionate sex) is a fire that is KINDLED by the spark of attraction… He’s not igniting that spark in her at all - in fact, just the opposite. He is also failing to REALIZE this and adjust which shows lack of empathy and poor situational awareness/social intelligence. She can, and should, do better.
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I guess that is where I’m disconnecting or misinterpreting things. Seems like Hockey Guy is good relationship material. Hence my question to Em about the libido, whether holding back was a conscious effort or if it just ain’t happening. The spark is what I’m not clear on. It could be that the guy looks good on paper but just doesn’t do it, or there could be some very good reasons on her side for not going into full on bacchanalia mode.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Okay, so latest confusing thing:
[/quote]

This guy sounds very nice plus intelligent, educated, athletic, and chivalrous. If any of my nieces brought someone like him around I’d be proud of them for making a very good decision about who they spend their time with.

So whats holding you back from the libido going berserk? Conscious effort or just not feeling it?
[/quote]

This is a good question, and one I was thinking about while I worked out. I think both. My sexuality is responsive, and there hasn’t been anything to respond to. Also, I’m holding out for the Iraq guy. He may be much more intriguing as a distant idea than a reality, but I want to see.

Too much to respond to right now (date with a whole new guy) but I don’t think I’ve made clear to HIM my desire to go dutch, just that that’s how I see dating in this day and age. I don’t know what sort of income differential, if any, there is - he may be clearer on that and taking that into account. But I haven’t made an announcement, just attempted to pay half the first time (I carry cash for dates) and take turns thereafter.[/quote]

Thats reasonable (not that I’m the great arbiter of reasons).

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:
Emily, something you wrote earlier about being abandoned by your mother struck a chord with me. I was abandoned also but by my father… You see where this is going?

Do you think not having a mother around has an effect on how you are as an adult woman? I ask because I’m certain it has an effect on me, it’s had an effect on me damned near my while life. I think not having a dad around is one of the reasons I joined the Corps, I think I was seeking out father like figures, go figure. After what I’ve gone through in that pursuit, I kinda have my own home made ideas of what being a man is about. Do you have any similar experiences or parallels about being a woman? There was a time where I needed to like, define man to myself, so I could have direction as to who I wanted to be/become in a sense.

There are things that impacted me negatively in sports being raised by a single mother, as when she went at the coaches they didn’t know how to deal with her and ended up causing a bit of drama. I remember so few people sticking up for my mother, but my mother sticking up for people wherever she could. I think this is something that really stuck with me that I like and am proud of, but like you I’m also incredibly short with flaky and clingy women. The abandonment issues are there as well, I have a pretty hard core loyalty about myself since I was abandoned and so few men stuck up for me in my youth.

Of course, it’s obviously more complicated than I’m leading on, but that’s it in a nutshell. [/quote]

Have you read Iron John by Robert Bly? You should. AngryChicken recommended it on here a long while back and I can’t repeat enough how grateful I am that he did.

I grew up without a father past the age of 13, and although he died as opposed to walking out, it still had a profound effect on me. That book was practically a father figure for me. A much needed one, at that. Bly actually speaks about how some males join the military (or gangs) because they’re looking for a father figure.

For what it’s worth, I’d be very interested in any insight you (and/or Emily!) have as far as healing said wounds, so to speak. I’d like to think I’m doing a pretty good job of making up for it, but both of you seem to have a very stable head on your shoulders and I’m always open to advice.[/quote]

Thanks, rrjc. Another book that is helpful AFTER Iron John is King, Warrior, Magician, Lover. It just introduces some concepts of various masculine energies. Many men (myself included) who grew up without fathers who were around (or worth a fuck) tend to get stuck in Warrior or Lover archetypes. Your King and Magician are very important to nurture as well.

Keep in mind, they are just “archetypes” that are used kind of like what mythology used to be used for. They are very basic and limited - kind of like training wheels. We are far more complex than four simple energies. But it’s a good start.[/quote]

If there’s any thanks to be offered, it’s in your direction, man! That book (and others you’ve recommended) have changed my life.

My mom just got me a kindle for Christmas and King, Warrior, Magician, Lover’s going to be the first book I read on it. Thanks for the recommendation. While you’re here, any others?

Would you mind if I emailed you? There’s a particular situation I’m in with a particular woman that I’d like to ask you about. I think I’ve got a grasp on it, but as far as I’ve come, I’m still new to all of it and would love your opinion. I’ve just been hesitant to email you since I know how busy you are.

Jesus Em is pulling a lot of dudes.

[quote]csulli wrote:
Jesus Em is pulling a lot of dudes.[/quote]
Shouldn’t be surprising.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

This is a good question, and one I was thinking about while I worked out. I think both. My sexuality is responsive, and there hasn’t been anything to respond to. Also, I’m holding out for the Iraq guy. He may be much more intriguing as a distant idea than a reality, but I want to see.
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^^^^

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Skyz, you are obviously skilled enough to navigate BOTH the arenas of attraction AND relationship. Mr. Hockey is showing strong signs of “relationship skillz”, but not “attraction skillz”. A relationship (at least one with mind blowing passionate sex) is a fire that is KINDLED by the spark of attraction… He’s not igniting that spark in her at all - in fact, just the opposite. He is also failing to REALIZE this and adjust which shows lack of empathy and poor situational awareness/social intelligence. She can, and should, do better.
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I guess that is where I’m disconnecting or misinterpreting things. Seems like Hockey Guy is good relationship material. Hence my question to Em about the libido, whether holding back was a conscious effort or if it just ain’t happening. The spark is what I’m not clear on. It could be that the guy looks good on paper but just doesn’t do it, or there could be some very good reasons on her side for not going into full on bacchanalia mode.
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I think that you do believe that desire can be negotiated or derived rationally…

It cant.

He does not generate the tingle, for the reasons outlined above, and if she wont tingle, she tingles not.

uses “vis-a-vis” in a sentence
dating material

Ummmm hate to be the one to break it to ya, but clearly you are being catfished by some sorta futuristic AI program. Though FWIW, the juxtaposition of the overall syntax (“I would surely be very soon restless”) and punctuation (we get it, you know how to use a fucking comma) with the random insertion of the overly-colloquial “re” indicates that this potential program is still very much in the beta stages of development and has yet to be outfitted with an anti-try hard plugin.

For obvious reasons, this simulation is likely riddled with malware, so unless you feel like a consult with Dr. Norton for an antivirus prescription after an upload or two, you’re better off just pulling the plug now and letting Iraq guy napalm your foxhole whenever he ships back.

One of the best things I’ve done is stop dating people who don’t write in a normal, conversational manner. 9/10 times, this involves women who don’t realize that text slang peaked with the classics (lol, brb and a/s/l), but I imagine it also applies to wannabe wordsmiths.