Let's Process Our Feelings

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

It was my MOM. I was 12 and she just up and left us. I can’t joke about it.

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If I dare ask how do you think this has affected you to this day in your relationships with men?

My biological father left us for other women when I was young and I think it has had a profound effect on me in the sense that I swore I’d never do that to my spouse; it has reinforced my ideas about loyalty and fidelity. I remember the pain my mom experienced being poor and abandoned and I just don’t have it in me to do something like that to my wife.
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Yup. Another impact is that I very quickly decide I’m unwanted, and want to flee. The two together make it hard for me to be objective once I’m securely attached to someone. Am I overreacting to something small or under reacting to something big? It’s hard for me to tell.

One of my last therapy sessions (stopped with job change/insurance stuff) sounded like this to me: “blah blah BECAUSE YOUR MOTHER DIDN’T WANT YOU blah blah YOUR MOM LEFT blah blah YOUR MOTHER DIDN’T WANT YOU blah blah AND IT SOUNDS LIKE NEITHER DID YOUR DAD.”

Harsh. :confused:

I currently love my life. I have a great wife, 2 beautiful smart little girls, and everything I need or want and not a whole lot of debt. In the 8 months at my new job I have built a solid reputation and have the respect from most of my coworkers and supervisors(which isn’t easy to get in a prison environment). Hope everyone has a great christmas! :slight_smile:

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I currently love my life. I have a great wife, 2 beautiful smart little girls, and everything I need or want and not a whole lot of debt. In the 8 months at my new job I have built a solid reputation and have the respect from most of my coworkers and supervisors(which isn’t easy to get in a prison environment). Hope everyone has a great christmas! :slight_smile: [/quote]

This was exceptionally nice to read. I’m so glad!

It also made me reflect that I feel similarly. Life is good. I have a house full of family, a job I feel very good about for reasons similar to those you mentioned - I feel good to have been recruited to my position, which speaks to my reputation, and when I look around I find I respect everyone I see. I also realized one day that there’s something very cool to me about having a nameplate with my name and credentials on the door of a big office at a medical practice. I feel like I’ve made it to the top of my particular game. No debt, decent savings, and am feeling less overwhelmed and confused by the dating thing.

Thanks for posting that, Steven.

[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m in Bangkok for a short vacation, and it’s causing me to recall what it’s like to be in a “foreign” country. Kind of ambivalent, especially given the political unrest right now.

Hate to admit it, but aging has a way of eating away at one’s sense of adventure.[/quote]

I’m sure it’s nothing to do with your age. One night in Bangkok makes the hard man humble; everyone knows that.

I was there, back in '83, and learned so much - One night in Bangkok and the world’s your oyster.

[quote]cakewalk wrote:
I was there, back in '83, and learned so much - One night in Bangkok and the world’s your oyster.[/quote]

Still, not much between despair and ecstasy.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m in Bangkok for a short vacation, and it’s causing me to recall what it’s like to be in a “foreign” country. Kind of ambivalent, especially given the political unrest right now.

Hate to admit it, but aging has a way of eating away at one’s sense of adventure.[/quote]

I’m sure it’s nothing to do with your age. One night in Bangkok makes the hard man humble; everyone knows that.[/quote]
This is what I get when I finally share?
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Oh dear. You’re absolutely right. Would it help if I said that going in the first place suggests to me an intact sense of adventure, particularly as your life, to me, seems like an overwhelmingly adventurous one before you even leave home?

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m in Bangkok for a short vacation, and it’s causing me to recall what it’s like to be in a “foreign” country. Kind of ambivalent, especially given the political unrest right now.

Hate to admit it, but aging has a way of eating away at one’s sense of adventure.[/quote]

I’m sure it’s nothing to do with your age. One night in Bangkok makes the hard man humble; everyone knows that.[/quote]
This is what I get when I finally share?
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Oh dear. You’re absolutely right. Would it help if I said that going in the first place suggests to me an intact sense of adventure, particularly as your life, to me, seems like an overwhelmingly adventurous one before you even leave home?

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:slight_smile:

That’s what I’m talking about![/quote]

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Push, are you around?

I want to ask you whether you think going out with this guy would be a bad idea for me. In messaging back and forth he mentioned looking for a “European” or “natural” attitude, by which he meant regarding sex, and asked where on the spectrum I fall. I offered every single thought I had about where I might fall, because you know how I love to tell everything, noting what I think is a fairly high sex drive and a monogamous/dedicated bent, then asked him where HE falls. Among other things he said:

[quote]To further address your question, I’ll expand on the above. I have no judgments about or restrictions against anything sexual as long as it involves (however many!) consenting adults and no one gets hurt. Group sex? Well, 3 is a group, I suppose. I’ve tried it, and it wasn’t what I thought it would be. But, that was because it was 2 (female) friends, one of who was into it, but the other did it more for us. I remain open to it, but like almost anything else sexual, am not specifically looking for it.

I am also open to polyamory, but, again, am not specifically seeking that. Since it seems to mean different things to different people, I define polyamory not an open relationship where sex with others is a free-for-all. Rather, for me, it is intimate relationships with a minimal number of select women with whom I would have some level of emotional connection and attachment. Again, while open to it, I’ve never experienced it.[/quote]

So I said I thought he may be more liberated than I am, that I do best in a traditional LTR, and that I want to be careful not to stumble into a relationship with someone who wants more than I can provide, and will become restless. He answered:

[quote]Noted re no poly-anything. But, I will remind that I wrote that I am open to it, not actively seeking it. I am not actively seeking anything other than a relationship or relationships that just will feel right, “click,” and simply work for me.

But, I will tell you that sex is very important to me. It is both physically amazingly enjoyable, and a beautiful form of communication. I.e., I love making love, and I love fucking.

So, in the spirit of responding to your concern about how we might be different vis-a-vis sex, yes, I cannot be with someone who is “plain vanilla.” I would surely be very soon restless. That said, I, like you, still do not know if we resonate or not in this arena. I guess the only way for us to know is to have sex! ;-)[/quote]

I wonder what you think, whether you think someone like me has a chance with someone like this. He’s smart and very funny, looks very fit, etc. But I don’t want to set myself up for first a sexual advance that will bowl me over, and then wind up hurt because I’ll get attached.

I’m asking you because his attitudes sound a lot like yours, and you’re now in a monogamous relationship, right? And because you know me and what I’m looking for, I think.

Edit: Obviously, as always, I wonder what Chushin thinks, too.

Well, not that smooth…

[quote]orion wrote:

Well, not that smooth…[/quote]

What are you saying, that he’s a player?

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Well, not that smooth…[/quote]

What are you saying, that he’s a player?[/quote]

I dont know.

Doesnt sound like one.

But he is pretty straight forward with his intentions, is he not?

I give him props for his no nonsense attitude, but I need to substract points for his lack of smooth operater-ness.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Well, not that smooth…[/quote]

What are you saying, that he’s a player?[/quote]

I dont know.

Doesnt sound like one.

But he is pretty straight forward with his intentions, is he not?

I give him props for his no nonsense attitude, but I need to substract points for his lack of smooth operater-ness. [/quote]

How do you operate smoothly online?

And what do you think are his intentions? I’m not sure I can tell.

Also, once again, it was inadvertently me who let the sex talk horse out of the barn. His profile mentioned the European attitude, and I questioned what it meant.

Like Orion, I admire his straightforwardness, but

“So, in the spirit of responding to your concern about how we might be different vis-a-vis sex, yes, I cannot be with someone who is “plain vanilla.” I would surely be very soon restless. That said, I, like you, still do not know if we resonate or not in this arena. I guess the only way for us to know is to have sex! ;-)”

is just lame…

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Well, not that smooth…[/quote]

What are you saying, that he’s a player?[/quote]

I dont know.

Doesnt sound like one.

But he is pretty straight forward with his intentions, is he not?

I give him props for his no nonsense attitude, but I need to substract points for his lack of smooth operater-ness. [/quote]

How do you operate smoothly online?

And what do you think are his intentions? I’m not sure I can tell.

Also, once again, it was inadvertently me who let the sex talk horse out of the barn. His profile mentioned the European attitude, and I questioned what it meant. [/quote]

Why guuuurl, not only do I enjoy French kissing, I also like the Spanish, Russian and Spanish way of things…

Hamster away…

Thats his sticking point, he is a bit too, you know…

[quote]Kakarat wrote:
Like Orion, I admire his straightforwardness, but

“So, in the spirit of responding to your concern about how we might be different vis-a-vis sex, yes, I cannot be with someone who is “plain vanilla.” I would surely be very soon restless. That said, I, like you, still do not know if we resonate or not in this arena. I guess the only way for us to know is to have sex! ;-)”

is just lame… [/quote]

Meh, these are quotes taken out of their context, which was a fairly lengthy conversation. I don’t think being well-written or wordy are lame (she says defensively).