Let's Process Our Feelings

[quote]Reed wrote:
Dont wanna go into to much detail but haven’t told really anyone but my mother. Me and my wife are separating after almost 6 years together 3 dating / 3 married. Always thought we would be together for ever. We started having bad issues about a year ago when I got out of the military and started working alot. She has always had jealousy issues and all the arguing and fighting has completely driven me away and I finally left as I have gotten to the point of wanting to just put hands on her which I refuse to do so this is the only option.

We have tried to fix it and she wants to but, I have gotten to the point of just wanting to be around her like this. I hope we can be friends as I love her and dont want anything bad to happen to her in any way and I pray she moves on with her life and does amazing… Unfortunately I just can’t be there as her husband any more. Not saying I’m perfect in any way and I know I’m not and am sure alot of this is my fault and wish we could go back and fix it but, its over that period now and we just need to part before it gets any worse.

Sorry for the rant was not supposed to be any where near this detailed but am working third shift by myself and have no one else to really talk to… [/quote]
Very sorry to hear that Dustin… Hope everything works out for the best for ya. It’s an awkward time for a while after all that. I never really knew how to bring it up to people. But I will say that once it’s done the sudden removal of all that stress improved my life dramatically.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I have to get a boyfriend. As soon as my ex-husband turned on his computer this morning at 6-something, his Skype noise sounded here and I called and made him video with me so I could whine about my cold and the packing and the tape dispenser jabbing 4 bloody little holes in my finger tips.
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Am I the only one who finds it extremely weird how often you communicate with your ex-husband?

Maybe that’s normal or something I dunno.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I have to get a boyfriend. As soon as my ex-husband turned on his computer this morning at 6-something, his Skype noise sounded here and I called and made him video with me so I could whine about my cold and the packing and the tape dispenser jabbing 4 bloody little holes in my finger tips.

He was a good sport, but I think he probably found the exchange fairly unsatisfying, as I did. It would have been better for me to spend that time having sex, and for him to spend that time doing whatever it is he does when he’s not listening to me whining.

But at least he doesn’t have to move today.

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Moving can be a huge PITA, but you’re resilient and able to weather a brief but intense storm.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I have to get a boyfriend. As soon as my ex-husband turned on his computer this morning at 6-something, his Skype noise sounded here and I called and made him video with me so I could whine about my cold and the packing and the tape dispenser jabbing 4 bloody little holes in my finger tips.
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Am I the only one who finds it extremely weird how often you communicate with your ex-husband?

Maybe that’s normal or something I dunno.[/quote]

I don’t know. My best friend talks to hers several times a week unless they’re not speaking, which happens now and again. She has a lake cabin, he keeps his boat there - they’re still a family of sorts. My ex-brother-in-law and his wife had one of the most toxic marriages I’ve ever seen, but now six years post-divorce she’s been helping him through cancer treatments and they vacationed together with their kids this summer. They like each other much better now that they don’t have to live together. That’s how I feel about my ex. I’m not sure how he feels about me. I know he has “regrets” but I don’t know what that means, and I really don’t care because I’m happier apart. The best friend’s ex still talks about “when you come home” and threatens to beat up her boyfriend. But he couldn’t stop cheating when they were breaking up, getting back together, breaking up, getting back together. She’s done with the marriage, but she still loves him and they continue to rely on one another. These are all very long marriages, though. You get pretty tight after a while! lol

But maybe there’s something odd about the company I keep. I don’t know. Most people I know aren’t this way, though.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I have to get a boyfriend. As soon as my ex-husband turned on his computer this morning at 6-something, his Skype noise sounded here and I called and made him video with me so I could whine about my cold and the packing and the tape dispenser jabbing 4 bloody little holes in my finger tips.
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Am I the only one who finds it extremely weird how often you communicate with your ex-husband?

Maybe that’s normal or something I dunno.[/quote]

I don’t know. My best friend talks to hers several times a week unless they’re not speaking, which happens now and again. She has a lake cabin, he keeps his boat there - they’re still a family of sorts. My ex-brother-in-law and his wife had one of the most toxic marriages I’ve ever seen, but now six years post-divorce she’s been helping him through cancer treatments and they vacationed together with their kids this summer. They like each other much better now that they don’t have to live together. That’s how I feel about my ex. I’m not sure how he feels about me. I know he has “regrets” but I don’t know what that means, and I really don’t care because I’m happier apart. The best friend’s ex still talks about “when you come home” and threatens to beat up her boyfriend. But he couldn’t stop cheating when they were breaking up, getting back together, breaking up, getting back together. She’s done with the marriage, but she still loves him and they continue to rely on one another. These are all very long marriages, though. You get pretty tight after a while! lol

But maybe there’s something odd about the company I keep. I don’t know. Most people I know aren’t this way, though.
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I cannot imagine being buddies with someone who cheated on you.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I have to get a boyfriend. As soon as my ex-husband turned on his computer this morning at 6-something, his Skype noise sounded here and I called and made him video with me so I could whine about my cold and the packing and the tape dispenser jabbing 4 bloody little holes in my finger tips.
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Am I the only one who finds it extremely weird how often you communicate with your ex-husband?

Maybe that’s normal or something I dunno.[/quote]

I don’t know. My best friend talks to hers several times a week unless they’re not speaking, which happens now and again. She has a lake cabin, he keeps his boat there - they’re still a family of sorts. My ex-brother-in-law and his wife had one of the most toxic marriages I’ve ever seen, but now six years post-divorce she’s been helping him through cancer treatments and they vacationed together with their kids this summer. They like each other much better now that they don’t have to live together. That’s how I feel about my ex. I’m not sure how he feels about me. I know he has “regrets” but I don’t know what that means, and I really don’t care because I’m happier apart. The best friend’s ex still talks about “when you come home” and threatens to beat up her boyfriend. But he couldn’t stop cheating when they were breaking up, getting back together, breaking up, getting back together. She’s done with the marriage, but she still loves him and they continue to rely on one another. These are all very long marriages, though. You get pretty tight after a while! lol

But maybe there’s something odd about the company I keep. I don’t know. Most people I know aren’t this way, though.
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I cannot imagine being buddies with someone who cheated on you.[/quote]

Well, in the case of the ex-husband I found out years after the fact, though I was enraged about that and a dozen other betrayals of various sorts. Still, it’s been more than three years and we’re intertwined in a thousand ways. Time mellows the bad stuff. Also, I’ve had a much happier three years than he has, despite some setbacks, and think he needs me. I’m probably his best friend. I know that if I needed him he’d be there, too, if he could. ~shrug~

[quote]Reed wrote:
Me and my wife are separating after almost 6 years together 3 dating / 3 married.
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Sorry for the rant was not supposed to be any where near this detailed but am working third shift by myself and have no one else to really talk to… [/quote]

Sorry to hear that. And I know how that is, the 2nd part.

Good luck with all of it.

EDIT: I’d like to ask more details, like what happened? how did things get this way? but you’d mentioned wanting to stay away from details.

[quote]csulli wrote:
I feel where you’re coming from though man. She sounds like “the one that got away” kinda.[/quote]

Unfortunately, it’s worse. She didn’t get away, I let her go, and it’s only now that I realize I effectively abandoned her. It’s a strong word, but it’s close to the truth, if not actually the truth.

The area she grew up is something of a social and moral cesspool, and her family was/is a mess. She wanted better for herself, she had ambition, talent, drive, and a good head on her, but her environment worked against her. White knighting, maybe, but I was there for her. I supported her in her interests and hobbies; her parents didn’t even come to her band competitions, whereas I was there beside her when they won first place at states.

Through high school we saw each other almost every weekend, and chatted daily. Then when she moved overseas, we’d still talk for a few hours every couple days.

But then things started getting serious with my current girlfriend, and I pretty much cut her off. It felt like I was investing a lot in something that wasn’t going to go anywhere, and thought I should instead focus on something more, I dunno, “real”.

It wasn’t until the other night that I realized quite how bad that was. Her friends came and went, boyfriends came and went, but I had always been there for her through it all. Her parents and siblings really didn’t care about her, but I did and she grew from that. And then I was gone.

I’m struggling how to say this, because it’s not that she needed me or was dependent on me. It’s just that I was there, and then I was gone, and it hurt her. And now I see her struggling with things – parents are sick, school/career isn’t panning out as expected, she was recently dumped, etc. She’s plenty independent, but it’s still nice to have someone there.

Clearly I still care for her. And I think I want her back in my life in some capacity, as much for myself as for her. Honestly, I feel like I stagnated a lot after that point too. I lost most of my drive. For whatever reason, she inspired me, and I just don’t have that now.

There’s more I could say, but I’m trying to keep things mostly on point.

Have you kept in touch with her at all?

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Well, in the case of the ex-husband I found out years after the fact, though I was enraged about that and a dozen other betrayals of various sorts. Still, it’s been more than three years and we’re intertwined in a thousand ways. Time mellows the bad stuff. Also, I’ve had a much happier three years than he has, despite some setbacks, and think he needs me. I’m probably his best friend. I know that if I needed him he’d be there, too, if he could. ~shrug~[/quote]

I understand where you’re coming from there (I’ve done the same although different of course) but do you really think that’s healthy? Do you think it’s prevented you from properly investing in new relationships?

That was always my concern.

I’m going to derail this for a moment to show off what I consider to be the latest and greatest is toothpaste tube-squeezing technology, the Tube Wringer. Not only does it squeeze the toothpaste to the top of the tube, but it crimps the tube as it goes. This serves 2 purposes. First, it gets every little bit of precious paste out. And second, it prevents blowback when someone squeezes the tube too forcefully.

No messy, rolled up tube. No split sides, and no waste.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Forgive the intrusion, but let me just say that you will always regret the road not taken.
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Best of luck to you, brother. I sincerely hope that you are afforded a third chance, and that you take it this time.
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Not an intrusion at all.

I actually stuck around town for awhile. I found an abandoned lounge chair on the outskirts of some lakefront rental property and just sat and reflected for awhile until she was up and awake. I was hoping to meet up for a bit before I left town, but she shot me down politely.

There will probably be a third chance. I appreciate the advice.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I have strong feelings because movers come tomorrow. I’m in despair! And I don’t even have time to process my feelings because I have to process all my stuff. And I’m tired and sort of want to cancel everything. But then I’d have to drive 125 miles back and forth to work again on Wednesday, and that’s been making me tired, too.[/quote]

I didn’t realize the new job involved a move too.

Good luck with it.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I have strong feelings because movers come tomorrow. I’m in despair! And I don’t even have time to process my feelings because I have to process all my stuff. And I’m tired and sort of want to cancel everything. But then I’d have to drive 125 miles back and forth to work again on Wednesday, and that’s been making me tired, too.
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I bet when you’re done processing all your stuff you’ll feel better. Good luck!

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I’m going to derail this for a moment to show off what I consider to be the latest and greatest is toothpaste tube-squeezing technology, the Tube Wringer. Not only does it squeeze the toothpaste to the top of the tube, but it crimps the tube as it goes. This serves 2 purposes. First, it gets every little bit of precious paste out. And second, it prevents blowback when someone squeezes the tube too forcefully.

No messy, rolled up tube. No split sides, and no waste.

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And where does one get such a device?

In my methods of psych class, we’ve got two experiments to design, conduct, then write up over the course of the semester… as a group of 4.

This one girl in our group has fucked us over once before in our first experiment. She was supposed to post her results (which our team was dependent on to write our papers) on that wednesday, but she waited until 9:35am on saturday. The fucking assignment was due THAT saturday at midnight. Annoying as that is in and of itself, I had planned on spending my friday writing the assignment, but because I couldn’t, I had to cancel plans that saturday to be a spotter and loaded at a PL meet at the last minute. (anyone who’s a PL knows how much of a huge pain in the ass it is to find spotters and loaders). So that was obnoxious as fuck.

Last week, for our second experiment, we had to administer surveys to the class, collect them, and then interpret the data and go on with the rest of the study. She took the surveys on friday of last week, saying that she’d quantify the surveys and post the stuff online for all of us to see by this past saturday evening.*** Not only did she not do that, she didn’t show up to class today. So now she’s preventing the rest of our group from getting our shit done AGAIN.

***At this point, clearly it was my mistake to allow her to take the results, but I wanted to give her a chance to redeem herself from her first fuck up of the semester. Fool me once, and all that…

It’s well beyond social loafing at this point and has entered the realm of her being flat out detrimental to our group.

Now, here’s where I’m torn.

A significant part of our final grade (for the course, not the assignments) is an evaluation of our performance from the other members of our group. Normally, I would give this bitch 0 out of the 20 possible points for my evaluation of her performance, but I’ve turned over a new leaf fairly recently. One of the ideas I try to live by is “when someone wrongs you, thank them, because they just gave you an opportunity to demonstrate patience and forgiveness.”

I can’t tell if she deserves the 0 points (that, if you were to objectively evaluate her work performance, she actually deserves) or if she deserves forgiveness (which I’d argue she actually deserves, as well.)

If I were to give her 0 points on her evaluation:
-I’d feel satisfied, given her unacceptable behavior.
-She might actually fail the course, as her other grades aren’t very good and the other two group members are probably going to rail on her in her evaluation, as well. (addendum to this point: if she does actually fail and has to take the class again, she’ll likely subject those group members to the same behavior, which I’d rather not happen.)

If I were to give her X/20 points on her evaluation:
-I’d feel satisfied, given the fact that I was able to see past her unacceptable behavior.
-I feel it’d be unfair to my other group members, who’ve been good all semester.
-I’ll have some good karma coming my way

I’m not entirely sure what I’m asking and I’m well aware that this is a minuscule problem in the grand scheme of life, but I guess I’m asking what would some of you do in a situation like this?

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
I’m not entirely sure what I’m asking and I’m well aware that this is a minuscule problem in the grand scheme of life, but I guess I’m asking what would some of you do in a situation like this?[/quote]

10-15 with a short explanation about her unreliability and how that was a detriment to the group. It’s low enough to indicate “noticeably sub-par”, without coming across as an ass… and then provides the opportunity for further adjustment by the professor or whoever’s teaching the course.

[quote]GeneticSynergy9 wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I’m going to derail this for a moment to show off what I consider to be the latest and greatest is toothpaste tube-squeezing technology, the Tube Wringer. Not only does it squeeze the toothpaste to the top of the tube, but it crimps the tube as it goes. This serves 2 purposes. First, it gets every little bit of precious paste out. And second, it prevents blowback when someone squeezes the tube too forcefully.

No messy, rolled up tube. No split sides, and no waste.[/quote]

And where does one get such a device?[/quote]

http://www.tubewringer.com/products.php

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Now, here’s where I’m torn.

A significant part of our final grade (for the course, not the assignments) is an evaluation of our performance from the other members of our group. Normally, I would give this bitch 0 out of the 20 possible points for my evaluation of her performance, but I’ve turned over a new leaf fairly recently. One of the ideas I try to live by is “when someone wrongs you, thank them, because they just gave you an opportunity to demonstrate patience and forgiveness.”

I can’t tell if she deserves the 0 points (that, if you were to objectively evaluate her work performance, she actually deserves) or if she deserves forgiveness (which I’d argue she actually deserves, as well.)

If I were to give her 0 points on her evaluation:
-I’d feel satisfied, given her unacceptable behavior.
-She might actually fail the course, as her other grades aren’t very good and the other two group members are probably going to rail on her in her evaluation, as well. (addendum to this point: if she does actually fail and has to take the class again, she’ll likely subject those group members to the same behavior, which I’d rather not happen.)

If I were to give her X/20 points on her evaluation:
-I’d feel satisfied, given the fact that I was able to see past her unacceptable behavior.
-I feel it’d be unfair to my other group members, who’ve been good all semester.
-I’ll have some good karma coming my way

I’m not entirely sure what I’m asking and I’m well aware that this is a minuscule problem in the grand scheme of life, but I guess I’m asking what would some of you do in a situation like this?[/quote]

I’d take option 2 and give her X/20. For the reasons you say and also because doing team work my experience has been that it is always better for the team to present themselves as a harmonious group than one that had problems, even if the problems have one single source. Everybody knows there are two sides to every story and there is a risk that your story isn’t as good as theirs. You generally fare better if there is no story and keep things between the two of you and are the group that worked together GREAT and got things done.

Generally I say diplomacy and optics before justice when it comes to team work.

I apply this professionally currently but to use a school example every project I ever worked on I picked up the slack and made sure we all got A’s. The reason being you will never see a group get an A when there is an obvious slacker because not everyone in the group deserves an A. You don’t have to bring attention to the problem folk because they get a reputation and people can see who actually does the work and who doesn’t. It only makes you look better when you can pull off a great job while carrying dead weight and handling it gracefully.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
In my methods of psych class, we’ve got two experiments to design, conduct, then write up over the course of the semester… as a group of 4.

This one girl in our group has fucked us over once before in our first experiment. She was supposed to post her results (which our team was dependent on to write our papers) on that wednesday, but she waited until 9:35am on saturday. The fucking assignment was due THAT saturday at midnight. Annoying as that is in and of itself, I had planned on spending my friday writing the assignment, but because I couldn’t, I had to cancel plans that saturday to be a spotter and loaded at a PL meet at the last minute. (anyone who’s a PL knows how much of a huge pain in the ass it is to find spotters and loaders). So that was obnoxious as fuck.

Last week, for our second experiment, we had to administer surveys to the class, collect them, and then interpret the data and go on with the rest of the study. She took the surveys on friday of last week, saying that she’d quantify the surveys and post the stuff online for all of us to see by this past saturday evening.*** Not only did she not do that, she didn’t show up to class today. So now she’s preventing the rest of our group from getting our shit done AGAIN.

***At this point, clearly it was my mistake to allow her to take the results, but I wanted to give her a chance to redeem herself from her first fuck up of the semester. Fool me once, and all that…

It’s well beyond social loafing at this point and has entered the realm of her being flat out detrimental to our group.

Now, here’s where I’m torn.

A significant part of our final grade (for the course, not the assignments) is an evaluation of our performance from the other members of our group. Normally, I would give this bitch 0 out of the 20 possible points for my evaluation of her performance, but I’ve turned over a new leaf fairly recently. One of the ideas I try to live by is “when someone wrongs you, thank them, because they just gave you an opportunity to demonstrate patience and forgiveness.”

I can’t tell if she deserves the 0 points (that, if you were to objectively evaluate her work performance, she actually deserves) or if she deserves forgiveness (which I’d argue she actually deserves, as well.)

If I were to give her 0 points on her evaluation:
-I’d feel satisfied, given her unacceptable behavior.
-She might actually fail the course, as her other grades aren’t very good and the other two group members are probably going to rail on her in her evaluation, as well. (addendum to this point: if she does actually fail and has to take the class again, she’ll likely subject those group members to the same behavior, which I’d rather not happen.)

If I were to give her X/20 points on her evaluation:
-I’d feel satisfied, given the fact that I was able to see past her unacceptable behavior.
-I feel it’d be unfair to my other group members, who’ve been good all semester.
-I’ll have some good karma coming my way

I’m not entirely sure what I’m asking and I’m well aware that this is a minuscule problem in the grand scheme of life, but I guess I’m asking what would some of you do in a situation like this?[/quote]
I am in stark opposition to the prior advice you have received on this. Give that lazy bitch a big, fat 0, and write in the margin that you’re only giving her a zero because you could not give her negative points.

You’re not doing her any favors by gifting her something’s he didn’t earn and doesn’t deserve. That’s not how shit works in the real world, and you would be doing her a disservice to not teach her that lesson now rather than later when it may have more dire consequences. With her laziness she has ASKED that you give her a 0. If she didn’t want that grade she shouldn’t have failed the group at every juncture.

Do the right thing. Give her the gift of a lesson learned.

[quote]csulli wrote:
You’re not doing her any favors by gifting her something’s he didn’t earn and doesn’t deserve. That’s not how shit works in the real world, and you would be doing her a disservice to not teach her that lesson now rather than later when it may have more dire consequences.[/quote]

Well, if I read things correctly, she actually DID do the work, just not in a timely fashion. So, I mean, I think she deserves some credit.

But actually, no, that’s not what I meant to say. And I don’t actually care that much.

It’s the whole “that’s not how shit works in the real world” line that I find interesting. In the real world, I find being “too honest” actually works against you more often than not. It’s not really about her at all, it’s about his reputation and how good or bad of a “team player” it makes him look. There’s only a few times when throwing a teammate under the bus makes any sense, and there’s even fewer that you can get away with it without it biting you later on.

Really, the truth is going to come out and her reputation will precede her so it’ll all work its way out over time.

Getting your shit done no matter what but still playing the little political games seems to work better than not playing the games at all. You don’t actually have to be a team player, you just need to look like it on paper.

That was a lesson learned the hard way, twice. That’s where I was coming from.