Myth #12) Carbs make you go bald.
[quote]hexx wrote:
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A carb cutoff means that less carbohydrates are ingested in a 24 hour period. Thus that is irrelevant and not part of the discussion.
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There is truth to this.
[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Myth #11) Mike Mentzer started life as a unicorn.[/quote]
That’s no myth.
Dude.
Lifting in a “hypertrophy range” will not consistently add size unless you increase the tension generated (related to load assuming form is ideal for said person with that movement) UNLESS you’re one of the few who respond to volume training (regardless of overload). if you are able to add weight with 15-20 reps then doubling or tripling your poundage will add a ton of size.
But the rep raneg where you cna improve is diferent for different people and even for the same person at different stages in his evolution. Having adequate volume (each session) for said bodypart is a prerequisite for supercompensation (increase in size and/or strength) between sessions and even this is an individual thing. Find whatever rep range allows you to gain strength and use a volume that will not compromise recovery between sessions as you’re good to go.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
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[quote]Makavali wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
Myth #11) Mike Mentzer started life as a unicorn.
That’s no myth.[/quote]
If only I had photoshop…
Scott i think we’re having a huge communication problem as to what BBing is. the 6-8 rep range is a hypertrophy rep range, its one i personally use, sometimes 8-12. i dont think many people train higher than that. i also agree that you need to consistently add weight to the bar, i mean if you arent doing that its somewhat indefinite youre progressing. i almost feel youre trying to argue me with my own point of view lol.
regardless i still stand behind BBers knowing what it is theyre doing moreso than PLers in terms of putting on size. i wouldnt train like a BBer for PLing and vice versa.
2-4 sets of 3-5 probably won’t add as much size as they do for strength, but I’m pretty sure doing 7-10 sets of 3-5 will make you big as long as diet is in place.
Myth #13) practicing ART on your penis everyday will make them bigger. Believe me, I tried…
[quote]Makavali wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
Myth #11) Mike Mentzer started life as a unicorn.
That’s no myth.[/quote]
…and Everyone knows that Unicorns are reknown for their recouperative abilities. Hence the brief and infrequent training to produce huge gains in muscle mass.
S
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Scott i think we’re having a huge communication problem as to what BBing is. the 6-8 rep range is a hypertrophy rep range, its one i personally use, sometimes 8-12. i dont think many people train higher than that. i also agree that you need to consistently add weight to the bar, i mean if you arent doing that its somewhat indefinite youre progressing. i almost feel youre trying to argue me with my own point of view lol.
regardless i still stand behind BBers knowing what it is theyre doing moreso than PLers in terms of putting on size. i wouldnt train like a BBer for PLing and vice versa. [/quote]
My point was/is that people that train for strength gains… be it singles like powerlifters or in the 5-15 range like SMART bodybuilders are going to consistently make the biggest size gains. Powerlifters were only used to illustrate the point that a group of people that trains soley for strength almost inevitably puts on big time muscle mass… it’s a side effect of their training and necessity to fill out a weight class for leverage purposes. They certainly aren’t on a chicken and rice cake diet either lol.
Bodybuilders often times fail to realize this necessity and use every other technique in the world besides progressive weights and wonder why they haven’t grown in 3 years. I think you used a phrase like “stimulating muscle fibers” and while that’s all well and good people that read that will VERY often times log that in their memories as you don’t have to train heavy(er) to get bigger. Does that clear up my position better?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Scott i think we’re having a huge communication problem as to what BBing is. the 6-8 rep range is a hypertrophy rep range, its one i personally use, sometimes 8-12. i dont think many people train higher than that. i also agree that you need to consistently add weight to the bar, i mean if you arent doing that its somewhat indefinite youre progressing. i almost feel youre trying to argue me with my own point of view lol.
regardless i still stand behind BBers knowing what it is theyre doing moreso than PLers in terms of putting on size. i wouldnt train like a BBer for PLing and vice versa. [/quote]
Actually the vice versa you mentioned isn’t a bad idea - especially for some one like yourself.
Ever trained with a powerlifter before? I bet you’d put on some nice size.
One of the reasons powerlifters tend to put on size easier is their diet. They are ALWAYS in a caloric surplus while the bodybuilder always worries about fat gain.
Dumb Question: What do PC/PF mean?
Side note: Friend of mine and I got in a huge fight in the gym yesterday… basically was telling me that my routine wasn’t producing results and that I needed to start doing what he does 5x5. I have no problem accepting that 5x5 is a good program for size and strength, but the fact that he said my program (currently tbt reps of 10-12) wasn’t good at all, pissed me off, so I cussed him out in the middle of the gym. It’s funny cause he benches like 295 for 4 reps (bouncing off his chest), but he can’t squat 205 to save his life.
Anyways, everything works, just gotta mix it up! But I would probably work the 10-12 rep range for 6-8 weeks before I went to 5-8 rep range for 6-8 weeks. For size, and yah, keep the reps low for cutting.
[quote]skohcl wrote:
Dumb Question: What do PC/PF mean?
Side note: Friend of mine and I got in a huge fight in the gym yesterday… basically was telling me that my routine wasn’t producing results and that I needed to start doing what he does 5x5. I have no problem accepting that 5x5 is a good program for size and strength, but the fact that he said my program (currently tbt reps of 10-12) wasn’t good at all, pissed me off, so I cussed him out in the middle of the gym. It’s funny cause he benches like 295 for 4 reps (bouncing off his chest), but he can’t squat 205 to save his life.
Anyways, everything works, just gotta mix it up! But I would probably work the 10-12 rep range for 6-8 weeks before I went to 5-8 rep range for 6-8 weeks. For size, and yah, keep the reps low for cutting.[/quote]
Whether you gain size, or lose fat has to do with your diet and cardio (activity levels), not what rep range you are lifting in.
Is your program giving you results? Are you consistently getting stronger on all of your lifts and gaining scale weight? If so, keep doing what you’re doing. If not, maybe you might want to listen to him.
Also, if he’s doing a 5x5 program and isn’t squatting…well I just don’t know what to say about that.
[edit]Oh, and to your original question. PC/PF means “Protein/Carb”, and “Protein/Fat”.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Scott i think we’re having a huge communication problem as to what BBing is. the 6-8 rep range is a hypertrophy rep range, its one i personally use, sometimes 8-12. i dont think many people train higher than that. i also agree that you need to consistently add weight to the bar, i mean if you arent doing that its somewhat indefinite youre progressing. i almost feel youre trying to argue me with my own point of view lol.
regardless i still stand behind BBers knowing what it is theyre doing moreso than PLers in terms of putting on size. i wouldnt train like a BBer for PLing and vice versa.
My point was/is that people that train for strength gains… be it singles like powerlifters or in the 5-15 range like SMART bodybuilders are going to consistently make the biggest size gains. Powerlifters were only used to illustrate the point that a group of people that trains soley for strength almost inevitably puts on big time muscle mass… it’s a side effect of their training and necessity to fill out a weight class for leverage purposes. They certainly aren’t on a chicken and rice cake diet either lol.
Bodybuilders often times fail to realize this necessity and use every other technique in the world besides progressive weights and wonder why they haven’t grown in 3 years. I think you used a phrase like “stimulating muscle fibers” and while that’s all well and good people that read that will VERY often times log that in their memories as you don’t have to train heavy(er) to get bigger. Does that clear up my position better?
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well my point was that training in the 5 rep ranges isnt the ideal range for “adding mass” as the gym rats call it, and lifting in 20+ isnt ideal for “getting cut” either.
heres an example i had with a guy im cool with at the gym, hes kind of a knucklehead like me so we get along although sometimes our training philosophies dont always coincide. anyway, we were talking about leg presses and he was saying how doing reps in the 10 rep range will “add mass” meaning just add a lot of muscle whereas lifting in the 20 rep range will just give your quads more definiton and “cut them up”.
so just to bust this myth, regardless of how much size you add its not going to be cut unless you diet down. it wont show without dieting down. =)
[quote]Brendan Ryan wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Scott i think we’re having a huge communication problem as to what BBing is. the 6-8 rep range is a hypertrophy rep range, its one i personally use, sometimes 8-12. i dont think many people train higher than that. i also agree that you need to consistently add weight to the bar, i mean if you arent doing that its somewhat indefinite youre progressing. i almost feel youre trying to argue me with my own point of view lol.
regardless i still stand behind BBers knowing what it is theyre doing moreso than PLers in terms of putting on size. i wouldnt train like a BBer for PLing and vice versa.
Actually the vice versa you mentioned isn’t a bad idea - especially for some one like yourself.
Ever trained with a powerlifter before? I bet you’d put on some nice size.
One of the reasons powerlifters tend to put on size easier is their diet. They are ALWAYS in a caloric surplus while the bodybuilder always worries about fat gain.
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i could care less about my bodyfat. i cant get fat if i tried. my metabolism is through the roof. i have to eat like those guys who always stress “eating big” but thats just to make miniscule gains lol.
i wouldnt want to limit myself to training just like a powerlifter. i employ some of their methods in a bodybuilding style, like close grip, bench press, rack pulls, RDLs, but i like single joints and i like machines sometimes PLers dont use em.
It seems like there is a huge misunderstanding, in general, with this discussion about powerlifters and bodybuilders.
Do powerlifters work in lower rep ranges for their main lifts? Yes. However, many of the accessory movements (some even use gasp machines) are in higher rep ranges, anywhere from 5-100 depending on the purpose of the movement and the phase in which they are training. There is also the use of repeated effort on the main lifts which is generally moderate weight in moderate rep ranges of 10-20 (sometimes more).
If you took the time to really learn about powerlifting you would understand all of this.
Well, the only thing i would like to add, is that in regard to certain bodyparts many would be better of if they took the time to first discover how to really put the muscle to work.
A hard working trainee can increase his poundage on a given exercise, and not be really working the desired muscle, after all this is still bodybuilding.
I agree that even with sub-optimal form( from a bodybuilding perspective,not a safety one) one who progresses in weight used will gain size all over, but i think that if you use a litlle less and change the form to the hardest possible you will progress faster if of course weight progression is still present.
[quote]gone heavy wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
It seems like there is a huge misunderstanding, in general, with this discussion about powerlifters and bodybuilders.
Do powerlifters work in lower rep ranges for their main lifts? Yes. However, many of the accessory movements (some even use gasp machines) are in higher rep ranges, anywhere from 5-100 depending on the purpose of the movement and the phase in which they are training. There is also the use of repeated effort on the main lifts which is generally moderate weight in moderate rep ranges of 10-20 (sometimes more).
If you took the time to really learn about powerlifting you would understand all of this. [/quote]
right, its always kind of been my understanding that powerlifters didnt solely use low 1-3 rep ranges on everything. but at the same time that just further backs what im saying. if even powerlifters train in the 8-20 range then why would someone assume lifting ONLY in low rep ranges would be beneficial for growth?
[quote]gone heavy wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
It seems like there is a huge misunderstanding, in general, with this discussion about powerlifters and bodybuilders.
Do powerlifters work in lower rep ranges for their main lifts? Yes. However, many of the accessory movements (some even use gasp machines) are in higher rep ranges, anywhere from 5-100 depending on the purpose of the movement and the phase in which they are training. There is also the use of repeated effort on the main lifts which is generally moderate weight in moderate rep ranges of 10-20 (sometimes more).
If you took the time to really learn about powerlifting you would understand all of this. [/quote]
Truth.
since when did Berardi start steering away from macronutrient timing, hes written books on this, one of whcich (s2b) i have bought a week ago???
it just seems so obvious that you wouldnt have a large meal of carbs before bed (leading to fat gain) doesnt it??
another thing… anyone tell me about milk and whether the high sugar content would lead to fat gain if a lot of your carbs for the day was taken from milk??? as in the STARTING STRENGTH diet of 4 gallons of full fat milk!!!
do tell
milk? drink it.