Yates and Priest have been some of the most open and outspoken pros around. Why question what they say? I give a man the benefit of the doubt if he’s been a stand-up dude since the beginning.
Maybe the reason some of you are so suspect of others is because you yourself have a questionable character.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not everyone responds the same way to AAS use.
Some people will respond extremely well and other wont… That would be part of “genetics.”
[/quote]
I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I want to reiterate this because it is definitely a vital part of genetics that people don’t seem to consider when they knock genetics in favour of drugs. Variations in individual biochemistry (which are mostly the result of genetics) can affect receptor affinity (drug response), metabolism (dose), individual side effects (which can be severe enough to contraindicate drug use entirely in some), and many more factors can be affected. To say this is a small effect severely understates the impact of genetics.
The effect of genetics really is all-encompassing, but I don’t see much point obsessing over which factor is more important. The way I see it there are 3 equal factors: genetics, lifestyle (training, diet, sleep, etc.), and chemical assistance. They are equal because if you’re lacking in any one of those areas, you can kiss your dream of making the IFBB goodbye.
I appreciate a good physique if a guy uses but obviously the same physique on a natty guy is more impressive but I hate when guys that use peds play down their effects, its a whole different ball game compared to natural guys. I’m not saying that if you take peds your gonna blow up instantly but if you do train effectively whilst being on then the improvements will be huge.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Yates and Priest have been some of the most open and outspoken pros around. Why question what they say?
[/quote]
When you go to the doctors for a physical you have to check the boxes for your normal activities. If you are a normal college aged/young adult that enjoys a healthy night life you will be faced with a dilemma when you get to the “How Often Do You Drink Alcohol?” question.
Obviously you aren’t going to check the box for “zero times a week” but you also aren’t going to check the box that says “5 Nights A Week” cause it would make you look bad. Instead you take the middle ground with “2-3 times a week” because it’s foolish to deny it but coping to the full amount doesn’t seem wise either.
^^In general, this is how I view MOST admitted AAS users.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not everyone responds the same way to AAS use.
Some people will respond extremely well and other wont… That would be part of “genetics.”
[/quote]
true dat. I remember Dorian posted his off-season cycle on another site. It was:
750g test
500mg deca
anavar 50mg/day
and that’s it. That is NOT a heavy cycle by any means.
[/quote]
i guess that they forgot to mention massive amounts of hgh stacked with insulin.
i said i was done talking about steroids but this shit needs to stop. you can have the best genetics in the world, but pump enought drugs into someone else (assuming there training and diet are good)then they will get bigger than you.
also no zraw does have good genetics and work hard, but dont play it down like they are the only reason. not everyones body responds the same to certain compounds but usually you can find one that workds somewhat well for you.
also it seems that majority of people arguing here except for mr_walkway and a few other, dont really know what there talking about.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not everyone responds the same way to AAS use.
Some people will respond extremely well and other wont… That would be part of “genetics.”
[/quote]
true dat. I remember Dorian posted his off-season cycle on another site. It was:
750g test
500mg deca
anavar 50mg/day
and that’s it. That is NOT a heavy cycle by any means.
[/quote]
i guess that they forgot to mention massive amounts of hgh stacked with insulin.
i said i was done talking about steroids but this shit needs to stop. you can have the best genetics in the world, but pump enought drugs into someone else (assuming there training and diet are good)then they will get bigger than you.
also no zraw does have good genetics and work hard, but dont play it down like they are the only reason. not everyones body responds the same to certain compounds but usually you can find one that workds somewhat well for you.
also it seems that majority of people arguing here except for mr_walkway and a few other, dont really know what there talking about.[/quote]
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Yates and Priest have been some of the most open and outspoken pros around. Why question what they say?
[/quote]
When you go to the doctors for a physical you have to check the boxes for your normal activities. If you are a normal college aged/young adult that enjoys a healthy night life you will be faced with a dilemma when you get to the “How Often Do You Drink Alcohol?” question.
Obviously you aren’t going to check the box for “zero times a week” but you also aren’t going to check the box that says “5 Nights A Week” cause it would make you look bad. Instead you take the middle ground with “2-3 times a week” because it’s foolish to deny it but coping to the full amount doesn’t seem wise either.
^^In general, this is how I view MOST admitted AAS users.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHA BEEN THERE! great analogy. haha
nvm this post, not worth it
bye
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not everyone responds the same way to AAS use.
Some people will respond extremely well and other wont… That would be part of “genetics.”
[/quote]
true dat. I remember Dorian posted his off-season cycle on another site. It was:
750g test
500mg deca
anavar 50mg/day
and that’s it. That is NOT a heavy cycle by any means.
[/quote]
i guess that they forgot to mention massive amounts of hgh stacked with insulin.
i said i was done talking about steroids but this shit needs to stop. you can have the best genetics in the world, but pump enought drugs into someone else (assuming there training and diet are good)then they will get bigger than you.
also no zraw does have good genetics and work hard, but dont play it down like they are the only reason. not everyones body responds the same to certain compounds but usually you can find one that workds somewhat well for you.
also it seems that majority of people arguing here except for mr_walkway and a few other, dont really know what there talking about.[/quote]
I think you mean “their.” Your whole post is invalid.
ppl here have no clue what life is like for even an amateur bb’er
let’s get one thing right the only common denominator is drugs
its a life of one cycle to another filling in the blank with pct
nutrition and serious training is a given
I have a friend who started out 5’9 185 pounds lean
I was heavier than him, better work ethics, stronger and better genetics ( whatever that entails…)
fast forward 6 month high test cycle …he’s sitting at 220 making me look small lol
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
ppl here have no clue what life is like for even an amateur bb’er
let’s get one thing right the only common denominator is drugs
its a life of one cycle to another filling in the blank with pct
nutrition and serious training is a given
I have a friend who started out 5’9 185 pounds lean
I was heavier than him, better work ethics, stronger and better genetics ( whatever that entails…)
fast forward 6 month high test cycle …he’s sitting at 220 making me look small lol
[/quote]
He is barely on test from the sounds of it. That hardly even counts.
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
ppl here have no clue what life is like for even an amateur bb’er
let’s get one thing right the only common denominator is drugs
its a life of one cycle to another filling in the blank with pct
nutrition and serious training is a given
I have a friend who started out 5’9 185 pounds lean
I was heavier than him, better work ethics, stronger and better genetics ( whatever that entails…)
fast forward 6 month high test cycle …he’s sitting at 220 making me look small lol
[/quote]
Maybe your just not cut out for this mane… better pick up horse riding or some other bullshit
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not everyone responds the same way to AAS use.
Some people will respond extremely well and other wont… That would be part of “genetics.”
[/quote]
true dat. I remember Dorian posted his off-season cycle on another site. It was:
750g test
500mg deca
anavar 50mg/day
and that’s it. That is NOT a heavy cycle by any means.
[/quote]
i guess that they forgot to mention massive amounts of hgh stacked with insulin.
i said i was done talking about steroids but this shit needs to stop. you can have the best genetics in the world, but pump enought drugs into someone else (assuming there training and diet are good)then they will get bigger than you.
also no zraw does have good genetics and work hard, but dont play it down like they are the only reason. not everyones body responds the same to certain compounds but usually you can find one that workds somewhat well for you.
also it seems that majority of people arguing here except for mr_walkway and a few other, dont really know what there talking about.[/quote]
I think you mean “their.” Your whole post is invalid.
[/quote]
go back to the powerlifting section you 
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I recall correctly, Lee Priest’s cycle was minimal as well.
Genetics >>>>>> Drugs[/quote]
i literally cannot believe people believe this shit
dorian low cycle
lee low cycle
jesus fucking christ of all the people to pick as well[/quote]
I’ll tell you what then yolo, you pump yourself with 2g of test a week for the next 12 weeks and we’ll see how world class your physique gets
with a name like Yolo I’d expect you’d be all up for it.[/quote]
oh the irony of you questioning my intellect when you believe DORIAN FUCKING YATES was on low doses of drugs during his career!!!
you have zero credibility you are a complete fucking moron.
[/quote]
low doses and doses that aren’t huge are not the same thing. I didn’t question your intellect like you said but I am now seeing as you clearly can’t read worth a damn
if drugs are the most important then anyone could take a boatload and look like Arnie. We all know it doesn’t work that way.
lol, you amused me at first, but now I’m bored.
You’re a tool, I’m done.[/quote]
maybe because a lot of people don’t know how to gain muscle as a natty so they turn to steroids
why would you expect them to build non-natural physiques when assisted?
it’s funny how some people here downplay steroids
seriously, what do you need, besides them tupperware containers, and a gym membership?
if you want people to be impressed with your physique as a steroid user, maybe you should be 260+ lbs lean
[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I recall correctly, Lee Priest’s cycle was minimal as well.
Genetics >>>>>> Drugs[/quote]
i literally cannot believe people believe this shit
dorian low cycle
lee low cycle
jesus fucking christ of all the people to pick as well[/quote]
I’ll tell you what then yolo, you pump yourself with 2g of test a week for the next 12 weeks and we’ll see how world class your physique gets
with a name like Yolo I’d expect you’d be all up for it.[/quote]
oh the irony of you questioning my intellect when you believe DORIAN FUCKING YATES was on low doses of drugs during his career!!!
you have zero credibility you are a complete fucking moron.
[/quote]
low doses and doses that aren’t huge are not the same thing. I didn’t question your intellect like you said but I am now seeing as you clearly can’t read worth a damn
if drugs are the most important then anyone could take a boatload and look like Arnie. We all know it doesn’t work that way.
lol, you amused me at first, but now I’m bored.
You’re a tool, I’m done.[/quote]
maybe because a lot of people don’t know how to gain muscle as a natty so they turn to steroids
why would you expect them to build non-natural physiques when assisted?
it’s funny how some people here downplay steroids
seriously, what do you need, besides them tupperware containers, and a gym membership?
if you want people to be impressed with your physique as a steroid user, maybe you should be 260+ lbs lean
[/quote]
do you realise just how big 260 lean is and how much drugs, hard work and planning it takes ot maintain a physique like that.
[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I recall correctly, Lee Priest’s cycle was minimal as well.
Genetics >>>>>> Drugs[/quote]
i literally cannot believe people believe this shit
dorian low cycle
lee low cycle
jesus fucking christ of all the people to pick as well[/quote]
I’ll tell you what then yolo, you pump yourself with 2g of test a week for the next 12 weeks and we’ll see how world class your physique gets
with a name like Yolo I’d expect you’d be all up for it.[/quote]
oh the irony of you questioning my intellect when you believe DORIAN FUCKING YATES was on low doses of drugs during his career!!!
you have zero credibility you are a complete fucking moron.
[/quote]
low doses and doses that aren’t huge are not the same thing. I didn’t question your intellect like you said but I am now seeing as you clearly can’t read worth a damn
if drugs are the most important then anyone could take a boatload and look like Arnie. We all know it doesn’t work that way.
lol, you amused me at first, but now I’m bored.
You’re a tool, I’m done.[/quote]
maybe because a lot of people don’t know how to gain muscle as a natty so they turn to steroids
why would you expect them to build non-natural physiques when assisted?
it’s funny how some people here downplay steroids
seriously, what do you need, besides them tupperware containers, and a gym membership?
if you want people to be impressed with your physique as a steroid user, maybe you should be 260+ lbs lean
[/quote]
Who the fuck are you and why should anyone give a flaming dingleberry about your opinion? Do you have any sort of credentials that we should give a shit about, or are you just another pictureless, logless, numbersless, anonymous dumbass byproduct of the “look at me” generation that thinks hes entitled to spew his opinion to anybody within earshot? Tool
I’m thinking about the original post, the thing that started all of this.
I have to ask, what’s with you guys over-thinking other guy’s physiques? If you aren’t a male model, BB competitor, or screen actor, then why would you waste one moment of your life looking at another man’s body and wondering if you’re superior or inferior to that person because of one aspect of their physical symmetry?
For that matter, how pathetic is it to further quantify your own self-worth by wondering if they took drugs or not?
Worry about your own achievements, ffs.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I recall correctly, Lee Priest’s cycle was minimal as well.
Genetics >>>>>> Drugs[/quote]
i literally cannot believe people believe this shit
dorian low cycle
lee low cycle
jesus fucking christ of all the people to pick as well[/quote]
I’ll tell you what then yolo, you pump yourself with 2g of test a week for the next 12 weeks and we’ll see how world class your physique gets
with a name like Yolo I’d expect you’d be all up for it.[/quote]
oh the irony of you questioning my intellect when you believe DORIAN FUCKING YATES was on low doses of drugs during his career!!!
you have zero credibility you are a complete fucking moron.
[/quote]
low doses and doses that aren’t huge are not the same thing. I didn’t question your intellect like you said but I am now seeing as you clearly can’t read worth a damn
if drugs are the most important then anyone could take a boatload and look like Arnie. We all know it doesn’t work that way.
lol, you amused me at first, but now I’m bored.
You’re a tool, I’m done.[/quote]
maybe because a lot of people don’t know how to gain muscle as a natty so they turn to steroids
why would you expect them to build non-natural physiques when assisted?
it’s funny how some people here downplay steroids
seriously, what do you need, besides them tupperware containers, and a gym membership?
if you want people to be impressed with your physique as a steroid user, maybe you should be 260+ lbs lean
[/quote]
Who the fuck are you and why should anyone give a flaming dingleberry about your opinion? Do you have any sort of credentials that we should give a shit about, or are you just another pictureless, logless, numbersless, anonymous dumbass byproduct of the “look at me” generation that thinks hes entitled to spew his opinion to anybody within earshot? Tool[/quote]
you sound a little bit mad? strong 374 bench at 308, you’re a fucking legend. And FYI, OP asked for an opinion, you seemed to have just come in here to attack random posters instead of posting anything worth reading. I guess steroids don’t give you reading comprehension skills, good bench numbers, or powerlifting skills, etc.
there are probably powerlifters who take steroids and have average/below average powerlifting #'s too
[quote]Elegua360 wrote:
I’m thinking about the original post, the thing that started all of this.
I have to ask, what’s with you guys over-thinking other guy’s physiques? If you aren’t a male model, BB competitor, or screen actor, then why would you waste one moment of your life looking at another man’s body and wondering if you’re superior or inferior to that person because of one aspect of their physical symmetry?
For that matter, how pathetic is it to further quantify your own self-worth by wondering if they took drugs or not?
Worry about your own achievements, ffs.
[/quote]
Hey thats the way I view it, I was just curious as to what other lifters on this site think of it.
[quote]Elegua360 wrote:
Worry about your own achievements, ffs.
[/quote]
hey i’m really sorry but 5’10 200 using steroids isn’t an achievment
that would be average/below average for a steroid user assuming you are eating food out of the tupperware containers
and it’s not even hard to get there naturally if you actually trained hard for a few years straight