[quote]rds63799 wrote:
genetics make more of a difference than drugs.
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LOL at this fucking bullshit
this is not true at all
how have you even begun to come to this conclusion?
just look at the history of bodybuilding for fucks sake
please lets ignore all of the ghetto black supermen who look like arnold and have never trained who apparently are on every street corner and bball court - because they don’t exist.
good genetics and no drugs versus average genetics and a high dose of drugs…
DRUGS WIN
please dont post the usual black superman vs pencil neck whiteboy on 3g a week
these kind of examples are completely stupid
best genetics in the world can’t build 260 lean average genetics and drugs can
simple
there is a site where guys who are all of this very high level agree 100% not 99 100%
dozens and dozens of national level BBers[/quote]
Lol, wat?
When did I say anything about “black supermen” or “pencil neck whiteboys”
ooh there’s a site is there? Well WOW, just WOW.
I’m not saying drugs can’t build you up to 260 or whatever but you will not have an amazing physique without amazing genetics.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
genetics make more of a difference than drugs.
everyone who has used the drugs will tell you that.
fucking lol at all you chumps talking about how much drugs do when you’ve never even used them.
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I couldn’t agree more with this. Anyone that thinks AAS trumps Genetics have never actually played with AAS. It’s actually the complete opposite IMO. I have done AAS in the past along with hard work and a great diet. It’s not all it’s cracked up to be. Those around me with better genetics than I made a lot more progress even though I was using at the time.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I’ve never personally understood someone who wasn’t pushing to become a pro BBer or chasing a national powerlifting ranking would use.
I train because I love training and want to make myself better, for no one but me. And using, to me, has always seemed like little more than a way to keep up with the Jones’.
I’m satisfied with my training, my progress, and where I am. I don’t think something like steroids could make that happen for someone.
Lifting is a lifelong process as far as I’m concerned. I’m going to do it until something forces me to not be able to. I don’t see the point in taking a shortcut when I’m enjoying the ride.[/quote]
I used to think the same way, however…
I think you can say the same thing about weight lifting in general. Why weight lift and kill yourself in the gym day in/day out if your not chasing a pro bb cerd or elite powerlifting ranking? The answer ofcoarse is like you said, the passion for training and improving on a personal level.
So I could I can see where someone gets to a point where the progress just isnt there anymore, or is coming so slowly that weight training isnt nearly as fun. So they take it to the next level for their own enjoyment and passion for lifting with no intentions of goin pro. I really don’t know shit about aas usage, but it doesn’t take a genius to see that ones ceiling for progress is much higher with it than without. So I don’t really see it as a shortcut when someone has come extremely close to reaching their ceiling naturally and wants to take it a step further.
To answer the OP, 2 physiques all things equal, one natty and one assisted, I would give more props to the natty physique as gmoore said.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
Zraw trains like a fucking animal and eats perfectly.[/quote]
Training like a BBer (e.g., typical Meadow’s split) and eating 6-8 meals a day doesn’t deserve much praise in my book. Many people on here put in the same work. Also see my comments about the Zraw’s vs. GrindOverMatter’s prep (natty).
Anyway, I think I made my point pretty clear on the general issue.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
Zraw trains like a fucking animal and eats perfectly.[/quote]
Training like a BBer (e.g., typical Meadow’s split) and eating 6-8 meals a day doesn’t deserve much praise in my book. Many people on here put in the same work. Also see my comments about the Zraw’s vs. GrindOverMatter’s prep (natty).
Anyway, I think I made my point pretty clear on the general issue.
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I find it very hard to believe you put in anything close to the work Zraw does
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
Zraw trains like a fucking animal and eats perfectly.[/quote]
Training like a BBer (e.g., typical Meadow’s split) and eating 6-8 meals a day doesn’t deserve much praise in my book. Many people on here put in the same work. Also see my comments about the Zraw’s vs. GrindOverMatter’s prep (natty).
Anyway, I think I made my point pretty clear on the general issue.
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LOL WAIT ARE YOU SAYING ZRAW LOOKS LIKE HE’S OBVIOUSLY ON ROIDS?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If I recall correctly, Lee Priest’s cycle was minimal as well.
Genetics >>>>>> Drugs[/quote]
i literally cannot believe people believe this shit
dorian low cycle
lee low cycle
jesus fucking christ of all the people to pick as well[/quote]
I’ll tell you what then yolo, you pump yourself with 2g of test a week for the next 12 weeks and we’ll see how world class your physique gets
with a name like Yolo I’d expect you’d be all up for it.[/quote]
oh the irony of you questioning my intellect when you believe DORIAN FUCKING YATES was on low doses of drugs during his career!!!
you have zero credibility you are a complete fucking moron.
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low doses and doses that aren’t huge are not the same thing. I didn’t question your intellect like you said but I am now seeing as you clearly can’t read worth a damn
if drugs are the most important then anyone could take a boatload and look like Arnie. We all know it doesn’t work that way.