[quote]rmexico wrote:
malonetd wrote:
rmexico wrote:
malonetd wrote:
What’s so hard about dumping the bar on a back squat?
Almost everyone can back squat a lot more than they can GM.
I still don’t understand.
In a back squat, if you get stuck in the hole, you have to do a GM in order to fall backward instead of forward. If you’re squatting more than you can GM, you’re screwed.
I’m not saying front squats are better than back squats–I’m saying that front squats are safer than back squats when you don’t have a spotter (or you’re not in a power rack) and infinitely better than leg presses, which are worthless.[/quote]
This really isn’t making sense - malonetd is not alone in being confused. “if you get stuck in the hole, you have to do a GM in order to fall backward instead of forward”? If you’re stuck you let go of the bar and try to get out from under it before it rolls down your back … If I’m front squatting and I get stuck, if I try to dump the bar its going to land in my lap, so I really dont think thats any safer than a back squat
[quote]rmexico wrote:
In a back squat, if you get stuck in the hole, you have to do a GM in order to fall backward instead of forward. If you’re squatting more than you can GM, you’re screwed.
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as lil jon would say: What? If you need to do a good morning to dump the bar, then you�??re not squatting properly to begin with. Dumping the bar behind is a no brainer and a life saver
I’ve dumped plenty of front squats without injury. The front squat is safer than the back squat simply because it does not allow leaning forward (Good Morning’s out of the hole). Essentially you are forced to use proper form by the fact that if you do not keep upright throughout the movement the bar is going to fall to the ground.
[quote]rmexico wrote:
Unless you have some kind of disability or injury that prevents you from squatting, the leg press 100% worthless.
Instead of doing back squats, you could do front squats, which make it very easy to dump the bar if you miss a rep.[/quote]
This is bullshit. The leg press is a great mass builder. Squats have other benefits such as GH release, and caloric burn with the bar being on your back and your whole body being under tension. Squats also probably do more for strength. But the leg press is not a worthless exercise. This is the problem when people read a lot and regurgitate back without really thinking.
I wouldn’t do leg presses instead of squats, but they certainly aren’t worthless. I like to do them as a supplemental lift after squatting to get a little more quad involvement since I squat with a really wide stance.
As far as front vs back: It’s easy to get rid of the bar when squatting in the rack regardless of what kind of squat.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
rmexico wrote:
Unless you have some kind of disability or injury that prevents you from squatting, the leg press 100% worthless.
Instead of doing back squats, you could do front squats, which make it very easy to dump the bar if you miss a rep.
This is bullshit. The leg press is a great mass builder. Squats have other benefits such as GH release, and caloric burn with the bar being on your back and your whole body being under tension. Squats also probably do more for strength. But the leg press is not a worthless exercise. This is the problem when people read a lot and regurgitate back without really thinking.[/quote]
I wasn’t really regurgitating anything I read. I was simply relying on the observation that there are a lot of scrawny guys at my gym who can easily do reps with 800+ lbs on the leg press but can barely quarter-squat even 275 lbs. I did a quick “leg press” search on youtube, and here’s a perfect example:
Leg pressing 900 lbs for reps hasn’t done much for this guy.
Now for my argument, though. Logically we have to suspend judgement on the matter that squats would benefit this kid’s levels of hypertrophy in the quads any more than the leg press. (Yes, anabolic hormone release from performing a squat is greater than it is with a leg press using equal weight, but nobody here has this kid’s blood profile.) The fact is that it’s not good to use nonquantifiable, anectdotal evidence to support your statement.
This kid may not be predisposed to having huge growth potential due to his genetics (myofibril volume, FT/ST MU content). You don’t even know what he squats, do you? For all you know this kid squats 800. Not that that is central to the issue at hand anyway.
[quote]rmexico wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
rmexico wrote:
Unless you have some kind of disability or injury that prevents you from squatting, the leg press 100% worthless.
Instead of doing back squats, you could do front squats, which make it very easy to dump the bar if you miss a rep.
This is bullshit. The leg press is a great mass builder. Squats have other benefits such as GH release, and caloric burn with the bar being on your back and your whole body being under tension. Squats also probably do more for strength. But the leg press is not a worthless exercise. This is the problem when people read a lot and regurgitate back without really thinking.
I wasn’t really regurgitating anything I read. I was simply relying on the observation that there are a lot of scrawny guys at my gym who can easily do reps with 800+ lbs on the leg press but can barely quarter-squat even 275 lbs. I did a quick “leg press” search on youtube, and here’s a perfect example:
Leg pressing 900 lbs for reps hasn’t done much for this guy.
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The fact is that it’s not good to use nonquantifiable, anectdotal evidence to support your statement.
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I used this as evidence because I was accused of “regurgitating” things I’ve read.
If I wanted to regurgitate, I’d quote Mark Rippetoe, who said, “A 1000 lb. leg press is as irrelevant as a 500 lb. quarter squat”. Maybe I don’t know a lot about lifting, but at least I’m smart enough to listen to those who do.
[quote]rmexico wrote:
cormac wrote:
Hey, the link you posted is malformed, but this one works: 900 pound leg press - YouTube
The fact is that it’s not good to use nonquantifiable, anectdotal evidence to support your statement.
I used this as evidence because I was accused of “regurgitating” things I’ve read.
If I wanted to regurgitate, I’d quote Mark Rippetoe, who said, “A 1000 lb. leg press is as irrelevant as a 500 lb. quarter squat”. Maybe I don’t know a lot about lifting, but at least I’m smart enough to listen to those who do.[/quote]
You don’t want to regurgitate but you do so anyway because all you’re capable of doing is regurgitating?
Listen I agree that the squat is an all around superior movement. However you cannot dismiss an exercise as practically - or entirely, as is the case - useless without defending your argument. I know the leg press is certainly an inadequate movement for significantly improving the squat, deadlift, or the oly lifts in the general population after a single mesocycle.
However, if you are a bodybuilder concerned only with packing on mass then WTF are you thinking when you blow off the leg press as useless?
I’ll tell you what you are doing: You are not thinking intelligently about the premises put forth in many of the articles you read on this site. There is an overwhelming bias from a huge population of members - I daresay most - on this site that is unique in its dogma but certainly no less obtuse than what I assume is asserted as absolute truth in bodybuilding magazines like Flex.
[quote]rmexico wrote:
cormac wrote:
Hey, the link you posted is malformed, but this one works: 900 pound leg press - YouTube
The fact is that it’s not good to use nonquantifiable, anectdotal evidence to support your statement.
I used this as evidence because I was accused of “regurgitating” things I’ve read.
If I wanted to regurgitate, I’d quote Mark Rippetoe, who said, “A 1000 lb. leg press is as irrelevant as a 500 lb. quarter squat”. Maybe I don’t know a lot about lifting, but at least I’m smart enough to listen to those who do.[/quote]
The guy in your video is just one guy. There are many people out there who have leg pressed and benefitted.
If I wanted to regurgitate, I’d quote Mark Rippetoe, who said, “A 1000 lb. leg press is as irrelevant as a 500 lb. quarter squat”. Maybe I don’t know a lot about lifting, but at least I’m smart enough to listen to those who do.[/quote]
Right, because of all those no nothing douche bags like Ronnie Coleman and Mariuz Pudzinowski who make leg presses a part of their workouts.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
What’s so hard about dumping the bar on a back squat?[/quote]
I guess that if you are doing powerlifting type squats, with huge loads and your butt is stuck back and your more inclined, you’d have to do a good-morning to get out of it and if you can’t do a good morning with the weight, you’re screwed.
However, if you’re doing Olympic style ATG squats, yeah, it should not be a such a problem to dump them.
