Well, after glancing at this (much more than expected) active thread… I cant say I learned anything, just that the entire point of the thread has been exasperated to its fullest intentions. I’ll touch on a few things since I initiated it.
- Regarding the entire LGBTQ tangent… I’ll preface by saying I’m definitely pro gay/trans rights; however I’ll try to keep my thought objective. The only thing “immoral” about gay rights (“gay rights” being a catchall for LGBTQ moving forward unless stated otherwise) is religious or extremely outdated views. Being gay literally doesnt hurt anyone. I know I can look at a dick and be like, “yep, that ain’t for me”, so being gay definitely doesnt seem like an active choice to me. You are, or you are not. Or your bi, whatever, you have a pretty damn good idea what you like. Regardless, my point being, it’s simply a natural attraction, that cant, and does not hurt anyone. Trans is the same argument, if not simpler. The amount of work, effort, money, mental reconciliation, and judgement one has to put themselves through to achieve a full transition, does that not seem like something more than just a fad? Or more than a misunderstanding? Sure, you can call it a mental illness, I wouldn’t even argue with you, I guess it is at the very least a mental cross-wire. But yet again, going through that change doesnt effect or harm a single soul other than the person going through it. If it does, then it circles back around to the aforementioned (admittedly) opinions, on bigots, religious views, or otherwise outdated thoughts.
The comparison to underage attraction is a childish argument. As mentioned before, theres some gray area. Think: busty ass 16 year olds. I mean… yeah, they catch my eye like they would anyone. However I like to think we all know how to draw, and walk that line when necessary. Outright pedophilia though, cant be compared. It hurts the child. It hurts the family. Usually irreparably. Regarding a person that isnt even developed enough to understand right/wrong, just/unjust, or even basic social interaction. Obviously, let’s not go even younger than that.
- In regards to the core subject of the post…
A lot of my initial questioning has come up,
One example of aggressively picking sides:
Just using @chris_ottawa as an example… I bet you didnt even intentionally do it… but it’s worth highlighting.
If you try to play devils advocate, it makes you just as bad as the opposing party in the defendants eyes. This is not how it should be. To be able to make any rational informed decision, you have to be able to look from the other perspective, before you can form an objectively morally just opinion. For some reason, if you arent ex: “fucking pissed about the welfare abusers” (ie. The new way to be racist without saying ni**er) protesting in the streets, then you’re “a fucking lib, and are running the country into the ground”
It cant just… not be a priority problem for you.
This absolutely applies to the other party as well.
Just some more examples of aggressively attacking the opposing side.
Just psychologically speaking, the way you approach a subject completely determines how that discussion will go. If my boss were to come at me, and call me a fucking retard for messing up, I would absolutely be defensive. Probably ready to kick his ass. But without a doubt, I would not be willing to listen to anything he had to say afterwards. However, if he were to calmly approach me, and tell me that I made a mistake, and offer advice on how to fix it, or to sway my view, I would be much more reciprocal.