Why Is Denial of Racism a Right Wing Issue In the West?

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People who know me on here know I am extremely conservative, religious, generally despise left wing belief systems. So I want to put that at the start so people understand where I am coming from on this topic, its not a BLM, Antifa type “arresting black criminals is racism” place.

Awhile ago i mentioned me and my wife fiance were racially insulted as I walked her home, I confronted them and ended up getting in a fight and then jumped by 4 white guys in broad daylight.

I mentioned in another post my ex wife who was also a black woman who worked as a doctor in the UK for 6 years would get weekly cases of people saying they didn’t want a black doctor, she had racial insults spray painted on her wall when she moved into the predominantly white area she moved to as it was close to the hospital.

Ive tried to remain someone open to this not being endemic but ive seen so much stuff in my life of just open and blatant racism that its starting to become completely unbearable talking to other conservatives and hearing them just flat out deny this stuff. Its like talking to Sunni Egyptians and hearing them deny how common it is to be openly anti Semitic in Egypt or anti Coptic. Like I know Jews and Copts and I know their experience in Egypt, you can’t fool me when I see it with my eyes.

4 days ago me and my fiance are walking home from a meal out together. We’ve had the usual stares but that doesn’t really bother us. We walk down the street parallel to the train station and my wife sees a homeless woman in a tent we have seen a few times, shes holding a sign that says please spare change.

My wife pulls out a twenty and like they sweet person she is politely walks up to this woman and says here love and tries to put the money in her cup. She goes no i don’t want you money in a really hostile tone, my wife goes oh ok and without missing a beat she goes i don’t need charity off “a black”.

Now we didn’t even get angry or mad my wife just gave me the usual sad look and we walked on and i tried to cheer her up on the drive home and was joking that if i hadn’t seen it with my own eyes i would never have believed that a HOMELESS woman would refuse money from a person just for being black lol.

I did some father ted “i hear you’re a racist now father” impressions and got her laughing but that night when we got in bed she was clearly really dejected and she basically said I don’t want to live here anymore and im scared for our child when hes born and what kind of things he will face here. It really hurt my heart to see her just totally give up. Shes always so nice and sweet to everyone, her family are deeply christian and shes always making such an effort to ignore the foul awful stuff people say to her and turn the other cheek.

Today she messages me from work about wanting to start looking for work back home and us buying some cheap land and making a new start in her home country. Ive told her we can go if she really wants despite the job she does paying less than half what it does here back home, after shes studied for years and spent her twenties building a career in the field.

Im sure half of the answers are going to be denying this shit is extremely common, but for actually deeply conservative, particularly religious conservatives like Christians and Jews I know who post here, how do you feel about our side basically being the side that seems to exclusively run cover for or downplay this kind of stuff and its impact. And why do you think so many people on the right who claim to be people of faith have openly racialist sentiments when all the Abrahamic faiths clearly argue against racism as a form of idolatry or worship of the self.

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My personal opinion is that many conservative (most people would consider me a conservative; although, I personally hate these labels) deny racism exists because “our side” is often attacked collectively as racist when we support certain policies or just for generally existing as conservative and I think it’s driven by this idea that we must be racist because we don’t support the supposed anti-racist policies of the left.

I think it’s more or less a kneejerk response to deny it exists and/or downplay it by saying it’s a one-off n=1 example. And, to an extent, from many of our points-of-view (I would say more so from those of us living outside urban areas), we just don’t see racism on a day to day basis likely because we live in fairly homogenous areas. So I think it’s not so much an outright denial as it is a lack of perspective.

I also think it’s a struggle for many white people to accept racism continues to exist to some degree (what that degree is is certainly debatable) because white people just don’t view ourselves as a collective the same way other groups do. To be honest, the entire concept of the “black community” has always been baffling to me to begin with.

When I was in the Corps. I got to meet black people from practically everywhere. NY, California, Alabama, Jamaica, etc… and none of them acted the same, but society treats them like they’re part of the same group. I just don’t get that and I doubt I’m in the minority here. I think white people and white conservatives in particular view life very much through an individual lens and it’s difficult for many to put themselves in the shoes of someone that society views collectively if that makes sense.

Anyway, that’s my $0.02. Sorry that happened to you and your wife. I would imagine that homeless person is missing a few screws so to speak, but still it sucks you guys are treated like that for no reason.

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What when did i say im an orthodox jew lol? Reread that thread. Ps youre the guy in thdre spouting anti jewish natsoc stuff right? And saying non whites should leave europe. Cool cool.no bias here.

I said id translated ITALIAN BOOKS. You cretin.

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That really sucks.

I think like @usmccds423 it’s a general lack of perspective but the more important thing that doesn’t get talked about is a lot of willful ignorance or simply blinders to fact racism is still a massive issue.
I am guilty of the blinders on stance. I grew up in very predominantly white (probably >95% white) Midwest mid to upper middle class town. The issues were never in my area or my face so I never had to deal with them directly. And neither did my friends since they were all white too (not by conscious choice, just by cultural make up of the area). It took a long time for me to even open my eyes to see the issues and I am still learning about them and trying to develop a better understanding.

I think conservatives could do themselves a huge favor in future elections by helping tackle the racism problems still present. Get out of the culture wars and denial of the existence of some folks (yes, I have heard from many conservatives that LGBT people don’t exist, they “just aren’t right with god”), and solve a known problem.

I don’t know if I actually offered anything of value in the above, other than to say most who deny it exists have either a) never had to deal with and/or b) never cared to learn about it. Doesn’t make the denial of the problem okay.

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It used to be a democrat/left thing until “they elected obama”.

Then is all of the sudden became an alt right thing. In the same numbers and proportion as is was on the left.

Cuz all of the racists jumped parties after theirs elected “that n…”.

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I don’t deny racism exists in the West. Just like I would not deny that it happens in the East. The left likes to pretend like it is just White people who are racist. I think every race has members that are racist as hell. I think it’s just more obvious with White people because there are more of them in the West.

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I also think, to an extend, denial comes from the anti-racist DEI push of late. I was thinking about this the other day, it kinda blows my mind where we’re at with racism in the US based on the direction we were heading when I was a kid.

When I was growing up the message was to treat people with respect regardless of their skin color and, at the same time, we grew up on shows like The Fresh Prince and Family Matters that, at least I think, shifted the culture in a positive direction. Certainly for 90s kids anyway.

But now, I’ve sat through several DEI trainings and it’s implicit in the training that men, white men specifically, are problematic to put it nicely and that we have to be anti-racist or we’re complicit in racism. Of course, people are going push back on that. You could say it was an unintended consequence of the rise of DEI, but I think it was foreseeable.

We even had a mandatory book club and meeting about “How to be an anti-racist” by Dr. Kendi who, in my opinion, is not a great person. But we were forced to do it. It’s stuff like that, driven by DEI initiatives that took the positive progress we had made as a society and actually made things worse.

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What’s wrong with being anti-racist?

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There’s nothing wrong with being anti-racist. It’s telling people that they are racist if they aren’t actively anti-racist that’s the problem.

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Active in what way?

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This is obviously a different topic, but this is an example of what I mean. WaPo posted this today:

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They kill LGBTQ+ people in the Middle East and WaPo compares that to American conservatives. Why wouldn’t people push back on this rhetoric?

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Going to HR if someone tells a racist joke, stepping in if someone is actively being racist in the store, etc… Many of these things are pretty subjective.

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Thats so that they can all be told how to vote in their own best interest.

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Idk sounds more like wanting the choice to be racist without repercussions

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Blacks and Mexicans are more socially conservative than white Americans. Its that the right has been so openly hostile to them that the democrats have them as a base. If you had pro black pro immigrant conservatives youd win every election for the next 50 years.

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Just curious but if a Muslim was telling anti jewish jokes in the workplace do you think most conservatives would support them getting fired. I am asking in good faith.

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My fiance said to me she thinks American focus on changing from colour blind anti raciasm to CRT type stuff has made things much worse. Her fathers father for example experienced terrible racism at the hands of the British in Kenya, but her father is involved in Ketuyu which helps white farmers discriminated against in south africa get holdings in Kenya. He is completely opposed to this idea of hating white people for what some white people have done etc.

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Definitely true. And for what it is worth I agree. However Ive lived in several African nations and ive never experienced racism, when with my ex wife, or with my ex gf when we lived in Senegal or Nigeria. Ive had racist interactions with white people insulting me and my partners in Europe more times than I can count on two hands.

Its not equal. Like ive never been attacked for being white in Africa. I never had racist shit sprayed on my house or people racially insulting me in the street.

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Oh don’t get me wrong the leftist race baiting is bullshit. But im talking like conservatives who are good people, are against racism genuinely, but have this knee jerk reaction to always downplay this stuff.
I think par tof it is that the left have poisoned the well so much many conservatives have a defensive reaction. But its kinda discouraging seeing people flat out deny how common lots of this stuff is. I know black guys who served in the British armed forced who had nooses put over their beds. My own brother isn’t racist, he married a non white person. But his response to this happening to his own friend was its not that big of a deal its banter.

Again fuck the left when they say maths is racist or some shit, but at some point we do have to acknowledge and deal with this stuff. I feel like the post iraq war left changed the goal from colour blind to woke, but at the same time our side have been denying racism forever. Its not just the left playing games on this subject.

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Thats a very nuanced take thanks. I agree the left have made racism so nebulous its kinda lost its meaning in the modern day.
I think the black thing is specific to America because the descendants of slaves don’t know their roots. My Fiance doesn’t use the label black, shes Kenyan, Kikuyu is her tribe. She doesn’t think she is “black” similar to how most Europeans don’t consider themselves white, they say they are British or German or French. But Caucasian Americans consider themselves white.

On a side note When I was googling philosophical arguments for religion years ago I stumbled upon a thread you were in arguing against an atheist guy about abortion. It lead me to looking into apologetics and divine command theory. You posted a video of Dawkins take on rape being as arbitrarily right or wrong as us evolving 5 fingers per hand instead of 6.

So thanks, a little bit of good word can really have ripple effects on the world.

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