Left, Right, No In Between

It’s truly sad when I have to fact check Trump on a daily basis? Newest I think was him stating the first Coronavirus was a woman. Thats not a major false fact, but it’s a little disrespectful to the family and dismissive to the memory.

There are flaws on both sides of the street. I love how my finances have improved in investing. However, Insurance and medicine coverage needs to be looked at for most of the population in the US. It’s getting out of control, but healthcare for all, imho, isn’t the solution.

I have some beefs with insurance atm…I’m one of those rare ones that’s dealing with some real nonsense.

It’s a weird thing man. And what’s crazy to me is, a lot of these people, with extremely similar upbringings to mine, that I spent a lot of time growing up with, have become this way. I dont understand where the linking thread is.

Perhaps, choices in profession and colleges attended…as I’m female, it’s different in my circle. (Don’t hate, but I’m around varieties of perspectives) I live in the suburbs but commute to the city

Are you in NY?

I’m in Texas, but I’ve visited “yankee land” in sports, etc rofl

I find him very difficult to take seriously. Look at the Iran drama, zero casualties, “all is well”, then it turns out there are over 100 soldiers with brain injuries. Who knows what else happened.

The problem is that the Republicans don’t have a better candidate, Trump is the most popular by a large margin. The Democrats also don’t appear to have anyone who can beat him.

Part of the problem is that they put insurance companies in charge of things. In Canada and Europe it’s all run by the government and we don’t have those sort of issues, plus taxes in Canada are only slightly higher.

The problem we have here is that there have been no increases in healthcare funding and cuts in some cases as well while the population has grown, now you have hospital beds in hallways and storage rooms. 30 years ago the Ottawa was around 300,000 people, now it’s just under a million and no new hospitals have been built, but in Ontario we had the Liberal party in charge from 2003-2018 and running a big deficit so you know who to blame.

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No idea. The difference is with violent rap something crime went down. With trumps rhetoric something death invoking his name and political violence went up. Surely you think that difference is important?

I’m not sure I’d be able to find anything concrete. You do know they typically show up when right wing hate groups are gathering right? Like that’s essentially their main point. I’m also not sure you have any evidence about making the headlines whatever that means. I’ve explained the difference enough times I would think. I guess I’ll say it again. If you came to the US you’d have a far greater chance of being killed by the far right than the far left.

I didn’t really need you to spell out which side you feel is better it’s completely obvious from your posts. I guess I’ll say it again that not all leftists want that stuff but I can’t convince you of stuff that you say “looks” a certain way. My guess would be you get most of your news from right wing websites?

Regular conservative people elected a President who has had; numerous people go to jail while working with him, a dude who created a massive racist conspiracy theory on his predecessor, told people Mexico would pay for a wall, told people they would all get healthcare, told people he would eliminate the national debt, insulted prisoners of war, has said awful things about women and opponents, put down a family who had their son killed in war, said a judge was biased because he was Mexican, has violated the emoluments clause of the constitution multiple times, paid 25 million because of his fraud university, numerous allegations of sexual abuse, has made anti-vaccine remarks, lied about releasing his tax returns, lied about his inauguration crowd, kept epa members from being able to speak about their work.

I’m tired of typing and theirs a ton more. Forgive me if I tend to think the above (and more) is a bit more important than who pisses where. I understand you just be terrified of gender neutral bathrooms since you bring them up all the time. You’ve pissed by transsexuals before almost undoubtedly. You’ll probably be ok.

I work in schools the anal sex thing isn’t happening on the whole. You’ve read something and assumed it’s happening all over would be my guess. Not quite sure why you’re a massive skeptic with anything on the right but will apparently believe whatever when it comes to the left.

I know you’re not a big statistics guy but what the right wants with sexual education has led to far more teenage pregnancies than what the left has.

Your “worried” examples are often fringe positions by a minority group of people. Yet you seem to show essentially no worry of what the most powerful man in the nation does. Leftists didn’t have Trump win the primary. Republicans had 16 if I remember right other choices.

Well, it’s happening here, and the man who was in charge of developing the new curriculum was charged for child porn and claimed to have had sex with his daughters. We literally have a school curriculum designed by a pedophile

“On March 6, 2009, Levin wrote and signed a memo that put himself in charge of Ontario’s school curriculum.”

The fact is that it’s complete nonsense and totally unnecessary to make such accommodations for a tiny minority when most people don’t want it. Here in city hall they have gender neutral bathrooms, as well as in universities. I don’t feel threatened, but a lot of women are not comfortable with it and there have been cases of women being attacked by transsexuals in bathrooms and change rooms.

I voiced my concerns about Trump in another thread and was called a leftist, anti-Semite, and anti-American. Trump is basically a clown as far as I’m concerned, but a powerful clown still. A lot of his domestic policies make sense, his foreign policies not so much. I think it would be better for me as a Canadian if a Democrat won the next election, as long as they don’t completely destroy the economy, but for America it looks like anything other than Trump is even worse.

Yeah, they show up to start shit and it ends in violence. That is why they are a problem. If they never showed up at Unite the Right then nothing much would have happened, the right wingers were outnumbered 2 to 1. If you go around waving a swastika flag and somebody attacks you then don’t expect any sympathy from me, but you also can’t attack people and they play the victim when you get hurt.

Correlation does not equal causation

How many cases? I’d like to see the specifics behind how big a problem this is. You know nothing currently stops anyone from being attacked in bathrooms? How does a gender neutral bathroom change that? Do you think it’s more likely to be attacked by a transsexual in a bathroom than a non transsexual? I know you’re not a fan of statistical proof but I’m going to wager that about 99.9% of bathroom attacks throughout history haven’t been transsexuals. You probably have a better chance of being struck by lighting multiple times in your life than being attacked by a transsexual in a bathroom.

So you think if it’s Joe Biden be Trump that’s worse for America? How so? I don’t know what “looks like” yet again means.

Yeah we tend to have more non Nazi’s than not. Just to be clear the Nazi’s aren’t an issue but the people who show up to protest them are? I guess you forgot who died and who did it. People showed up to protest the westboro Baptist when they protested soldiers funerals and had kids holding up anti-gay signs. I guess no one should ever show up to counter terrible humans? Without protests and organizations segregation wouldn’t have ended and women still couldn’t vote.

I don’t think you fight hate with hate but I can understand the sentiment behind people who want to show up and let Nazi’s know they aren’t welcome. But maybe you’re a bit more pro Nazi than me who knows?

Nope. But in your example crime went down and in mine violence went up. It’s noteworthy. But I am proud a guy who usually says it looks like knows that phrase.

It seems like it’s very possible to me you’re getting your information from right wing websites exclusively. They are the ones trumpeting what you want. And you couldn’t even find trumps ties to violence? It’s seriously not hard to use search engines and I am willing to help you learn how to if you would like.

Let’s see, we’ve had the self loathing Jew and self loathing Catholic already. There has been the self loathing black as well. There is nothing new under the sun.

First, as I mentioned part of the issue is that many (if not most) women and girls are not comfortable sharing the bathroom with a man in a dress. Are their concerns unwarranted? As for cases, this is old so probably more but it’s all I can find without spending too much time:

https://onenewsnow.com/culture/2017/02/18/21-women-assaulted-by-transgenders-in-restrooms

Women are more likely to be sexually assaulted and harassed by men than by other women.

I never said that. But if you want to fight Nazis then be prepared. The fact that the “victims” outnumbered the right wing protesters by 2 to 1 kind of says something.

If you start a fight and you get hurt then your own actions led to your injury. Political violence is a problem on both sides, but you seem to think it’s fine when it’s directed against “terrible humans” which only proves what I have been saying.

You are a fucking idiot.

I saw the same articles you linked, and I thought they were bullshit then and I still think they are bullshit now.

You know what, I’m tired of this argument. There is nothing more to argue about. You want me to justify my opinions, the fact is that both extremes are messed up. Moderate left wingers, like the average type of people who voted for Obama the first time, are mostly reasonable, but the left has shifted further left since then so I see that whole side as a problem now. You can tell me whatever story you want, I don’t care.

A moment of silence please. My great uncle Walt that fought and stacked Nazi bodies in France in WWII passed away. 95 years old.

See ya there ya Unc.

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So if this accurate about one case per year? And how many of these are stopped by not having gender neutral bathrooms? Does this sound like a significant problem to you?

I don’t know how bathrooms work in Canada but I can go into pretty much any public restroom and attack a woman if I want to. Do you think the percentage of transsexual attacks isn’t about 99% less than non transsexual attacks?

If your goal is to lower sexual assault on women I would think putting your attention here is about the last place to start.

What does it say? That when right wing white supremacists show up they show up in less number than counter protestors? I don’t see it saying anything at all merely that on that day more people who disliked Nazi’s were there than actual Nazi’s. And none of those outnumbered people killed anyone the Nazi’s did.

It looks like from here well…I’ll let you fill in the rest.

First you said you didn’t find anything and asked for links and now you say you found the links I gave you? I don’t care if you think they are bullshit I didn’t expect anything less from you. You wouldn’t accept a piece of evidence counter to your thoughts no matter what it said. From where I’m sitting your minds about as closed as one can be. But that’s just what it looks like.

I don’t want you to justify your opinions just have them be factually based more often than not. Which is also what I want for myself. It’s difficult for me to not say something when an opinion is demonstrably inaccurate. We’re talking about a lot of things that can be proven not which type of candy bar tastes the best.

My condolences man.

You gave me a link to an article about people “invoking Trump” during violent acts. That proves nothing.

What about all the Islamic terrorists yelling “Allahu akbar!” before attacking or blowing themselves up? Is the whole religion responsible? Is Allah? Or is it just some crazy people saying crazy shit while doing crazy things?

Last of a dying breed

Trump calls for violence multiple times and is the first president to have people invoke his name for murder and violence in 36 different cases was what I said. It didn’t happen with Clinton/Regan/Bush/Obama. It doesn’t prove anything for me either…but it certainly gives a reason to wonder what’s different about him than them. Just like all those women maybe none of it has anything to do with him and he’s a victim in all of this. I’ll take my chances with the numbers, feel free to do whatever you want.

My grandpa on mom’s side was in the pacific theatre during WW2. Got to be a part of a school’s honor flight to DC about 8 years ago and was one of the coolest experiences of my life.