When you make 20 different points in each post you can’t expect me to respond to them all one by one. A lot of your responses are just nonsense like the last one.
Pot calling kettle black?
You didn’t answer the previous questions, you said I should use google and do my homework and so on. I don’t live in the US, if you think I missed a few things relating to US politics can you really blame me? You could either prove your point or just type nonsense, but for some reason you choose the latter. Why is that?
So different countries treat things differently? Yeah never really argued against that. Wouldn’t you say the way we have done things has worked out pretty well for us so far? We have plenty of issues but that doesn’t magically make this one or the cause of all.
I don’t think all immigration is good. Clearly if everyone in the world came to the US tomorrow it would be catastrophic. Has immigration been a net positive or a net negative for the US? I think it would be virtually impossible to largely argue the latter.
Yes but IMO you’re twisting the past to fit a viewpoint. You’re arguments against it so far are the Romans. I think the historical arguments I’ve used are not only more accurate than that example of yours but more indicative of the “consequences.” At best a lot of your argument that I can tell seems to be “well you’ll be wrong one day!”
Your first point was a moronic statement and not a question that I addressed. I addressed your second question. And the third I asked if it was going to be worth the trouble of giving you the information. When I give you the information on things you don’t typically look at it or question if it changes what you’ve been saying.
For someone who doesn’t live in the US you make a lot of assumptions about what it’s like and you refuse to attempt to find your own answers. Maybe I’m giving you too much credit in thinking at times you will be resourceful enough to look for an answer. You’re using the most powerful information finding item the world has ever known and you’re asking me to find everything for you. I can do it for you and I can keep doing it for you but I’m pretty tired of it.
Half the things you have said
You have given next to no information in this thread, and am asking for you to provide information but instead you type nonsense.
I looked, and it was a few idiot right wingers acting alone. Not the KKK burning crosses and lynching people.
You also seem to think that I am a right winger. I don’t subscribe to either wing, but the left looks significantly worse.
This seems to be the basis of your argument. Even if I would not accept the “evidence”, would providing it not discredit my statements and opinions?
Ok Mr looks like it from up North!
Bullshit. Go through my posts again to you. I’ve given you counter examples and reasons of pretty much everything you’ve claimed. Most of this you haven’t even attempted to comment on. Like Trumps own calls for violence which you’ll ignore again I’m sure because it doesn’t fit what you’re saying. Links I’ve shared go unread and undiscussed in pretty well every thread you’re in.
And you’ve claimed some pretty weird ass stuff in here like gay marriage be making Nazi’s. I don’t give a shit if you think I type nonsense. Considering your answer to most things is “well it be seeming like the lefts the only violent ones! And if the rights be violent well it ain’t their fault!” I’ll consider you a pretty poor judge of deciding what makes sense. But I sure love your theories on how video games and music cause crime even though with the rise of that the reverse happened.
Can you give me a brief recap of what historical examples you have used. From memory you have only stated a bit info about immigration history in the USA, and immigrants are good for agriculture. I haven’t really heard you explain to me why they were good or bad, just what they happened and that you think they are good but haven’t shown reasons that they are good, or that good results can’t be achieved with other strategies.
How am I twisting the past, with my example from Roman history? Rome is a pretty strong historical example to analyse, there have been historians studying it for a couple of thousand years. There were empires before Rome, but their history was not recorded to they same extent or level of detail. Its the blueprint to the life and death of an empire. So much of western society has been philosophically and socially influenced by Greco -Roman culture, it is intrinsic even if most people today are unaware.
Everyone is wrong at least one day. Its more likely to happen to those that are ideologically wedded to an idea, in the face of the reality actually going on around them.
No. This has been done numerous times to you in a variety of threads. What I’m saying is we’re tired of proving you wrong. You don’t care what anything says so forgive me if I’m not thrilled about taking time to completely show you again your wrong.
No one is taking your statements and opinions seriously. I just have a really difficult time not responding to bullshit. That’s evident from discussions with kneedragger and my history on here. It’s honestly a personal problem of mine on this forum when I see complete bullshit I have to correct it thinking the person just doesn’t understand what the facts actually say. Everyone else stops because they catch on to pure lunacy quicker than me I guess.
I searched for this and found nothing. Can you provide links?
I never said that, you are confused.
Your answer is to put words in my mouth, which you previously accused me of.
What does any of that have to do with this thread? You are trying to turn this into a personal issue rather than addressing the actual discussion in this thread.
But you just respond with bullshit yourself, if what I say is bullshit then you are no better.
Serious question how are you searching? You keep saying you don’t find anything what words are you using? I just typed trump calls for violence in. The article is on the first page on both bing and google. Many other similar articles exist from both search engines.
Edit: you can find the same articles on bing. Googles just easier for me and what I’ve always used.
“ABC News could not find a single criminal case filed in federal or state court where an act of violence or threat was made in the name of President Barack Obama or President George W. Bush.“
If you start by reading up on some of these groups you can find the numerous instances. The right in the US tends to have more little factions of hate in terms of number of groups so they don’t all link in together under one umbrella.
-Invoking Trump - That is nonsense.
-Trump encouraging violence - That is something, but he didn’t actually call for violence against Democrat voters. Justin Trudeau once had a boxing match against a Conservative politician, and won. That could also be “perceived as encouraging violence” but nobody cares.
-Unite the Right- Yes, it’s fucked up that people carrying swastikas were part of this rally. The fact that other right wingers would side with them is a problem. As far as the violence, looks like both side are to blame (and of course the guy who drove into the crowd deserves extra blame)
" Beginning in the morning, ahead of the rally’s official noon start time,[157] “protesters and counterprotesters faced off, kicking, punching, hurling water bottles at and deploying chemical sprays against one another”.[158][159] An estimated 500 protesters and more than a thousand counterprotesters were on the site.[122][158] The Associated Press reported that “people threw punches, screamed, set off smoke bombs, hurled water bottles and unleashed chemical sprays”; some engaged in combat while “others darted around, trying to avoid the chaos”.
Proud Boys - You could say they are pretty similar to Antifa, just on a smaller scale.
Alt-right - not an actual organization, more like a new political philosophy which is mostly far-right, and mostly a bunch of bullshit
So yes, there is some violence coming from right wingers and I don’t support that. However, it also looks to be a few isolated incidents and not a regular thing. Both sides have a problem, but the left still look worse overall in my opinion. But we can agree to disagree, rather than throwing temper tantrums
Perhaps. Like women that’s a lot of cases to dismiss. Trumps not the reason for violent lunacy. But violent lunacy has taken a real liking to him in a way they didn’t with other Presidents. I think it’s pretty dismissive to not ask why.
Isn’t that splitting hairs? It’s multiple instances of him being cool and not denouncing it or even encouraging. It’s very likely those people were Democrats. I don’t care what Justin Trudeau did we’re not discussing him we’re discussing the US. I’m saying Trump has a hand in an increase in violent and aggression from the far right he has stoked with his words. Do I think Trumps to blame for all of it? Not at all. No impact? Nope. Again ask yourself what’s different with him. To me the connection is clear it’s what he says. John McCain shut down a woman who said bad stuff about Obama saying he was a good man they just had differences of opinion. Do you think that’s similar to how Trump conducts himself? Isn’t it at least possible that the reason bush/Clinton/Obama/Reagan didn’t have people invoking them in murder because they carried themselves in a much less hostile manner towards those who didn’t think like them?
That’s exactly what Trump said had people on both sides. And he got in a lot of trouble for it with even members of his own party calling him out. When one side is Nazis typically the other side is less bad is a general rule. Should the left show up to protest Nazi’s? I don’t think so but they sometimes do.
The rally was Unite the Right and look who came. Protestors came to protest against the white supremacists.
Perhaps. The issue is the right has so many more factions than the left that everyone on the right says this is antifa while you can’t really do that with the right. They just have so many more wannabe militias and groups and they are constantly changing their names because they don’t want people to know what they are. That’s why terms like white nationalists come up. Because you don’t want to call yourself a Nazi people think it’s bad. But you can lump most of these guys under the minorities bad white people superior and races should be separated umbrella.
I’m fine if you think the left looks worse. I have a hard time understanding that but I’m fine with it. If someone in America dies from political violence in the last 20 years or today it’s statistically significantly more likely to be from a right wing person. Left wing violence rising is a significant issue no doubt. It’s just that it has to continuing rise a whole bunch to meet the level of the right. This is statistically proven with numerous studies and sources but if it looks worse to you from your couch I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. The vast majority of experts and studies all saying the same thing always makes me think it is more likely to be true than less. Perhaps that isn’t the case with you.
And antifa is not Stalin.
I had an Indian co-worker who would regularly follow social media and the news and ask me about white self-loathing on a weekly basis, verbatim, “What is wrong with white people?” My close Asian-American friends regularly asks similar questions.
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Bill Maher, be mindful he’s a comedian, does a segment on “white self-loathing. It’s pretty funny, tbh
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Yeah but your studies show that violent rap music led to a decrease in violent crime and murder. Are Trump voters more easily influenced than young men who listen to rap?
Trump is not a good guy, I agree with you on that. He often behaves in an unprofessional manner, and seems to just say whatever pops into his head.
True, but Antifa was involved in numerous incidents while all right wing groups combined have done less (as far as I can tell) in the last few years. Is that not accurate? At the very least they sure make the headlines more than anyone else.
Extremists aside, I agree with a lot more of typical right wing opinions than the left and regular conservative people seem much more reasonable to me than left wingers who want grade 5 students to learn about anal sex and use gender neutral bathrooms. 10-20 years ago I would have been more on the left, but the left went too far left.
This is something worth noting, and seems to be a common trend. 2 immediate examples: an older dude i worked with before he retired, was a staunch conservative. Limbaugh on the phone every morning etc. But had all of these “liberal” traits, and admitted countless times that he was a liberal through his younger days, but it seemed to swing as he got older.
Another guy that quit, always said that most people become conservative when they get older. Which I’m sure is an exaggeration, but it’s an interesting observation nonetheless.
I’d even argue I am slightly more conservative these days, just by the nature of where conservative issues seem to lie.
I just think it’s an interesting pattern
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