I’m aware of such instances also. I know some of history, not all.
I’m also aware I shouldn’t take recommendations for conduct from someone whose own conduct would have him possibly put in a coma or emergency room if provided IRL in some parts of this world.
Have a nice weekend.
It wouldn’t matter who is majority/minority if we design a system in which people are treated as equals.
I like the idea of designing a system in which you have no idea who you will be born as, and you are designing it before you are born.
If only you knew how to use google I wouldn’t have to do it for you. I said more than once it’s been demonstrated just like I have with other stuff.
I told you something was true and then you said it seems like it’s all the left. I even said we have had this discussion on this very forum and it’s been proven. But since you don’t know how to do any finding of information on your own and resort to grandpas anecdotes or your own whatever’s I will help you. Here’s three easy links from simple google searches.
Now go ahead and either don’t read the stuff and say you don’t believe it or you don’t trust the sources or whatever. Just like when you denied crime and hip hop you seem very determined to not let evidence in counter to what you want to be true.
Is political violence on the left an issue? Yes. Does it seem like it’s all the left with a few right wing exceptions? Not if you ever actually desire to educate yourself. But if one believes the left is the cause of all issues and the right only has issues because of the left then I’m afraid you’re beyond help.
This x 1000. It’s way better than it used to be doesn’t mean room for improvement doesn’t exist.
Why so bitter?
Ok, so you could say that violence is a problem on both sides. On the right it is mostly lone nut extremists, while on the left you have Antifa, BLM, and other “activist” groups.
As for you saying that I’m wrong to blame left wing violence for the increase in white supremacism, the ADL agrees with me:
"Their presence at a protest is intended to intimidate and dissuade racists, but the use of violent measures by some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame. This is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive.
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All forms of antifa violence are problematic. Additionally, violence plays into the “victimhood” narrative of white supremacists and other right-wing extremists and can even be used for recruiting purposes. Images of these “free speech” protesters being beaten by black-clad and bandana-masked antifa provide right wing extremists with a powerful propaganda tool. "
Also, relying on Google for searches is problematic because they are totally biased towards the left. Searching “left wing violence” on Google brings up a bunch of anti-right wing articles, while on Bing this comes up:
So to continue this discussion of right wing violence, are there any right wing groups which regularly attack their opponents? I’m asking a serious question, because I am not aware of any. Lone nuts are a problem, and an even bigger one when they shoot and kill people, but it’s not by mistake that people see the left as violent.
The left is their own worst enemy.
Maybe, but not by you and you know this is true.
Annoyed not bitter. Doing your homework isn’t my job.
You know the right has tons of active groups similar right? Do I need to list them or can you look on your own?
Actually it doesn’t say that. What it says is it can be counterproductive which is true. But if a white supremacist group shows up and people show up to protest them that isn’t their fault. All it means is the left countering the rights hate with their own hate won’t diminish the rights hate. Are you attempting to say without antifa white supremacy ends? You can’t beat hate with your own hate. The way to beat the right wing loons isn’t with left wing loons. Can be used as a potential tool is a far step from the right’s only radical because of the left. And dismisses the numerous other reasons for their increase.
That same article comes up on google.
Yes do I need to bing for you? The left has a violence issue. It’s just the right has a bigger one. And unlike the left it’s far more statistically likely to end in death. Many of these groups started to counter the right wing groups. How could one come to the conclusion that the right wing ones exist because of the left?
It’s not a mistake to see the left wing has a violent side. I never argued otherwise. It’s just not nearly as violent and deadly as the right. I haven’t ever attempted to argue that left wing violence is ok. Merely that you pretty much always come to the conclusion that if the right wing has issues it’s only because of the left.
And the right is fueled by a President who has called for violence and who those white nationalists see as their first true President in modern history.
Dude, antifa was burning crosses back in the Middle Ages.
there are thousands of qualified reporters out there, why hire one with this in her background?
sounds more like her responding to trolls in a satirical manner. Or at least that’s what the article says. Obviously in poor taste and is enough to disqualify her from the job, but idk if it’s racist without seeing the context.
why do people feel the need to put shit like this on social media? There is no anonymity there AT ALL. hell, in my job I pickup the phone or say things in person if I know it’s a conversation I don’t want coming back to me haha. DONT PUT IT IN WRITING!!
No, I am attempting to say that antifa is fuelling white supremacy and right wing extremism, just like the ADL article says. If those type of groups are looking for a way to promote themselves then letting antifa and BLM do their thing is the easiest way.
Are there any that regularly stage violent protests and attack bystanders?
Please give examples, and not lone nut shooters because that is not representative of any organization.
I never said that, I said they are becoming more popular in large part due to the left.
Regarding demographic change, Its disingenuous to say that they have changed always. These current changes will be fundamentally different than anything that has occurred before. They are ideologically motivated and not from the citizen base that formed the country. What"s more these trends are not exclusive to America. The citizens were never asked their opinion let alone given a democratic choice like a referendum. They only occur in predominantly white western countries, not Africa, or Asia, or the middle east. Those countries wouldn’t, and don’t tolerate it. Are non whites racist for wanting to protect their own cultures, and not allow immigrants to dictate to them in their own homelands? Or is it only whites that can be racist when they do the same thing?
The question is when someone comes from another culture, invited as a guest into your country, do they want to be an American and adopt the values and culture of your country? If they do then there usually isn’t a problem. If they have no intention, then that’s almost always going to have a negative effect on the existing culture. Some cultures mix smoothly and painlessly in, others don’t do as well, others have no intention.
Your sounding a lot like the Romans and every other empire just before it fell. There is an arrogance in the belief that things will always be the way they are supposed to be, by some magical reason, and even though the threads are starting to unravel around you deny it.
America is still a superpower, but the international perception is its a waning superpower, both militarily and economically.
The biggest problem for America in international military conflict, is not its arsenal, technology or capability, they are all still state of the art. The problem is the disunity of the American population, not having the common goal to decisively do what it takes to win a conflict like Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Iraq. These conflicts were not decisively won due to political decision in America, not poor military decision on the battlefield.
China and Russia don’t suffer from that type of disunity.
I’m guessing you’re thinking this happens a bunch on the left. Another great example of your bias. And your inability to accurately understand American politics. You’re apparently under the impression that BLM is beating up people on a daily basis or something? Which far right rag lead you to that conclusion?
Proud boys, new right, alt right, identity ervo all come to mind. I like how you diminish these groups as lone nuts when they do something. These were the assholes behind the unite the right rally. If someone has died from political violence in America since about 1980 it’s far more likely to be from a far right person. But hey BLM and all that. I’m just realizing that maybe if a far left guy punches a Nazi it really bothers you but if a far right guy murders someone it’s not an issue if he was alone.
Which you still don’t have any evidence for. Clearly you don’t think a President who has at the minimum dog whistled to these people and has called for violence has any effect. Gotta be them damn lefties again. You won’t address that possibility because it doesn’t fit what you know in your heart must be true.
You dismiss statistics and reason on a regular basis on here. Not quite sure anything I could show you will change that.
It sure looks like it
Where did I say that?
What rallies, protests, or counter-protests have these groups organized where they attacked their opponents?
It is an issue, but it’s not a representation of the group if he acted alone. How hard is that to understand?
That is what the ADL says as well.
I dismissed studies on another topic because I did not think they were able to accurately measure the issue. You have provided zero statistics or studies on this topic.
I’m sorry but that’s simply bullshit. Immigrants coming from Asia and Europe were constantly thought of as a horrid thing that would lead to the downfall of the country. When this is pointed out to those who bang the drum of anti-immigration it’s always about how different this time is going to be. It’s the exact same sentiment as people who were against people coming into the country back then. They weren’t American and they were going to ruin everything.
The citizens have been asked their opinion via election throughout history. We’ve had tons of immigration for most of our time as a country. Some people have always and will always be against it. The sky is always falling for these people. People coming in aren’t Protestant enough don’t eat the right foods don’t have the right color of skin. It’s always been panic mode and it’s no different here. The downfall of this country has been trumpeted for centuries. Maybe this time it’s all different but I wouldn’t bet on it. History has proven that wrong every year in America.
Seriously? I’m sounding like the Romans? History is important to look back on no doubt but it’s also important not to twist it into something that has no basis. The threads aren’t starting to unravel. And if they are it’s certainly not immigration that is the single biggest problem pulling the string. Immigration is a huge part of why we got here and a huge part of why we’ve lasted. White people aren’t having enough sex isn’t going to kill the nation.
There is a lot of silly victimhood blaming going on here. So what if, for the sake of argument, antifa is as bad as Fox News claims? The idea that those who react to it on the right by becoming racist or white nationalists somehow were forced into that and thus acquire the status of victims is laughable. BLM doesn’t make white people racist, the fact a person rationalizes things he perceives the way racists do, made him a racist. If you react to things you don’t like by becoming the opposite reflection of those things, then you are what you hate. You’re also a weak minded sheep who deserves to get sheared.
That’s convincing. Your argument is it looks like it’s happening but you don’t have evidence. I’m shocked that the dude who bangs the left is always in the wrong drum is saying far as I can tell they be doing it all the time. Jesus dude.
I implied it through you using the word frequently. If I’m wrong it must be nice to be annoyed when someone puts words in your mouth like you constantly do others huh?
God damn I have to spoon feed you everything? If I go through and make a long list will it even register with you or will you dismiss it as “well those people aren’t actually right because herp derp.” It’s a pretty big waste of time finding evidence for my claims that you will never accept.
Yes you thought they didn’t accurately measure the issue. They also ran counter to what you kept saying was an issue. I suppose that’s just another coincidence. I linked articles with statistics in this thread and you didn’t read them and said google was the problem.
You also only address certain items in my posts and it’s pretty annoying. If you don’t think you have a counter to a claim you won’t touch it but will hit something else. I’ve pointed out numerous times the President’s calls for violence but BLM and all that. Then again I guess that’s not an issue. We only have one President so he’s always just a lone wolf. We don’t have multiple presidents calling for violence so I don’t see the problem do you. Has to be a certain amount of people to matter.
So rather than actually answer any of my questions or address the issues at hand you just type a bunch of nonsense. Nice work, very convincing.
The Bolsheviks, Stalin, and Mao were all left wing and killed hundreds of millions. KKK is small potatoes compared to them.
Ask Japan or China or Korea how important mass immigration is to the development of their countries?
Saudi Arabia and other gulf states too? They have forms of immigration but they aren’t permanent and residents can’t get citizenship. They are very monocultural and don’t have significant demographic change.
All immigration is not good. Some people happen to think it is but they are not able to provide a logical argument that will convince me it is so. I’m open to the idea that some types of immigration are beneficial. Are you open to the idea that some types of immigration are bad?
Most politicians and average citizens in most countries have a poor general knowledge of history, and it hampers their decision making greatly, because they haven’t learnt from the lessons of the past. Politicians and other people in power, no matter what the culture like to control this and emphasise only what exists in recent memory. That don’t want the population to think for themselves. If people can see that something underhanded is going on by a historical pattern being repeated before their eyes, they can do something about it before its a fait accompli. That’s why the communists re write all the history and indoctrinated their perspective into their population.
The modern west is a little different. They worship the economy and focus almost exclusively on this and are ignorant at best or wilfully ignorant at worst to how history works. Economic booms are endless until the crash comes, just like empires are eternal until they aren’t.
Trump is a good example of this philosophy, but there are many others out there.
I’ve addressed them numerous times and answered them numerous times. You don’t like the evidence and you don’t like anything counter to what you already believe. It’s typical troll behavior to attempt to “win” the point by saying someone is typing a bunch of nonsense when they don’t have a good argument. From the guy who just said looks like it.
Either make points or don’t.