Wawowewa… wish he would have chose to go to arnold… I would’ve had the chance to see him in action.
[quote]Drizzt wrote:
Wawowewa… wish he would have chose to go to arnold… I would’ve had the chance to see him in action.[/quote]
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how do you guys think kevin english will match up against the two.
Not a good thing for maximum width in the FLS. Its hurting his lat spread as you can see…the traps need to be depressed as far as possible (like lee priest is doing) to get maximum width…of course, the side effect is that your traps will disappear.
Dave is doing a hybrid most muscular + front lat spread on that one. Impressive nonetheless…but hides full width.
EDIT: I do realize someone like Dave knows what he needs to do on stage, so he’s picked that pose for a reason. I’m just saying there’s a trade off between how much trap & chest musculature you can show the judges in that pose with how wide you can get, thats all. These guys often hit hybrids of commonly accepted poses so they can create a bigger impact on stage and they both have enough mass everywhere to compansate for these trade-offs.
The average even state-level competitor though cannot afford to lose even a centimeter in this pose. They usually pick ONE of the two (lat spread and rear bi) where they’ll drop some width to show their traps and the otehr where they’ll depress their traps and show full width.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Edit: Intersting… Dave’s traps top Priest’s in that shot… [/quote]
An article about when young Lee and his mom competed in a Couples Comp (pics here):
http://musclewave.blogspot.com/2007/11/mum-bodybuilder-rises-above-last-minute.html
In Arnold’s bodybuilding encyclopedia it has pictures of Lee where he’s pretty damn chubby
[quote]crod266 wrote:
how do you guys think kevin english will match up against the two. [/quote]
He’s a contender.
Crazy thing is all 3 of those guys have phenominal genetics.
Flex Lewis is very young…so he’s a contender in the making as well.
DG
If symmetry still means anything in bodybuilding, I can’t see Priest winning anything major. His chest has so little mass in comparison with his arms, I’d have a hard time awarding him a title…
[quote]hedleylamar wrote:
If symmetry still means anything in bodybuilding, I can’t see Priest winning anything major. His chest has so little mass in comparison with his arms, I’d have a hard time awarding him a title…
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Not everyone is a chest-fanatic… And though you’re right about his chest being a weak-point, he can’t do much about it… He just doesn’t have the attachments.
Damn, Yates had weak(all relative, of course) arms, Arnold had weak shoulders and triceps, Larry Scott was/is so narrow it’s not funny, Franco’s legs sucked balls when he won his O and so did his arms, Haney had weak arms, etcetc.
One weak bodypart and you think that Priest should never get a title? Everything else on him is pretty much great…
Funny, really. Now we have guys at the top who aren’t bloated like cows and of course someone finds a new issue to complain about ;D
Hey, I’m all for moving away from the mass explosion that the IFBB has been promoting lately. I’m more of a Darrem Charles/Troy Alves/Dexter kind of a guy.
And I hear about what you’re saying about other guys and weak parts, but Lee’s lack of chest stands out more than the others’ weak parts…
[quote]hedleylamar wrote:
Hey, I’m all for moving away from the mass explosion that the IFBB has been promoting lately. I’m more of a Darrem Charles/Troy Alves/Dexter kind of a guy.
And I hear about what you’re saying about other guys and weak parts, but Lee’s lack of chest stands out more than the others’ weak parts…
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That’s cause he has 22" arms in contest shape at 5’4"… of course they are going to over power his chest… which still looks far better than most’s chests… 
like I said, if symmetry still meant anything…
to me it’s the same thing as Tom Platz. His legs were unbelievable, but he wasn’t as successful because his symmetry was so far off.
It is really amazing how hav ing certain strong bodyparts can actually hurt your overall physiques. I don’t think priet has a bad chest, it’s just that when he hits a most-muscular shot, it crunches up and doesn’t keep that full, puffed out look that other pros’ chests do.
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
It is really amazing how hav ing certain strong bodyparts can actually hurt your overall physiques. I don’t think priet has a bad chest, it’s just that when he hits a most-muscular shot, it crunches up and doesn’t keep that full, puffed out look that other pros’ chests do.
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That’s mostly because of his height. His arms are truly ridiculous, but his overall frame is that of a very short guy. It is amazing that you only see his chest as a weak point when looking at him. He’s a freak, no doubt.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
It is really amazing how hav ing certain strong bodyparts can actually hurt your overall physiques. I don’t think priet has a bad chest, it’s just that when he hits a most-muscular shot, it crunches up and doesn’t keep that full, puffed out look that other pros’ chests do.
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That’s mostly because of his height. His arms are truly ridiculous, but his overall frame is that of a very short guy. It is amazing that you only see his chest as a weak point when looking at him. He’s a freak, no doubt.[/quote]
i cant even imagine him looking like he did at age21
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Priest used to bulk up to over 275lbs at his height every single year until a few years ago.
I do think it is funny that some people think that just because they don’t see pics of these guys at their worst shape that they must never get fatter. MOST of these guys gain extra fat in the off season and the ones who do are usually the ones who make the most progress from one year to the next. Once they get to the elite level, more may cut back on doing so (since all of the size is already built for the most part), but that doesn’t mean those pics were strangely coerced or that he never bulked up.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I do think it is funny that some people think that just because they don’t see pics of these guys at their worst shape that they must never get fatter. MOST of these guys gain extra fat in the off season and the ones who do are usually the ones who make the most progress from one year to the next. Once they get to the elite level, more may cut back on doing so (since all of the size is already built for the most part), but that doesn’t mean those pics were strangely coerced or that he never bulked up.
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What you say is not entirely true. Whether or not you have the ablility to stay relatively lean in the off-season has more to do with genetics, than the “guts” to fully commit yourself to a bulk.
Dexter Jackson for example never got fat in the off season, yet he has gained over 100 lbs. during his competitive career. He even gained quite a bit last year, while his guest posing pics showed him as a relatively lean man. On the opposite end we find Trey Brewer who gained a shitload of meat, but was not able to retain much, if any, come contest time.
I also believe that Lee Priest once stated that he was in reality not quite as fat as he seemed in the ads, and that they tried to make him look as bad as they could.
That being said, I do not wish to be misinterpreted in saying you should keep your 6pack year round. Especially in the beginning stages of your life as a bodybuilder there is nothing wrong with being a bit fatter. However, point being, some will get fat in the off season and other won’t, but it does not directly translate in one making better gains than the other. Individual variety is too big for that.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Got a back shot? Back and Triceps are Dave’s strong points these days, and Priest is up to snuff in the tricep department… Guess it’s going to be a back vs back thing if they face off against each other at the O.
Edit: Only the first pic was up when I posted.
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Henry has a much better torso. Huge broad chest, freakish traps and an amazingly thick and detailed back. I still think Henry has a better overall package.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Got a back shot? Back and Triceps are Dave’s strong points these days, and Priest is up to snuff in the tricep department… Guess it’s going to be a back vs back thing if they face off against each other at the O.
Edit: Only the first pic was up when I posted.
Henry has a much better torso. Huge broad chest, freakish traps and an amazingly thick and detailed back. I still think Henry has a better overall package.
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I agree, Priests arms trump his chest just a tad too much, whereas Henry has a better balance, but is still freakin’ huooooge!
[quote]Francois1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Priest used to bulk up to over 275lbs at his height every single year until a few years ago.
I do think it is funny that some people think that just because they don’t see pics of these guys at their worst shape that they must never get fatter. MOST of these guys gain extra fat in the off season and the ones who do are usually the ones who make the most progress from one year to the next. Once they get to the elite level, more may cut back on doing so (since all of the size is already built for the most part), but that doesn’t mean those pics were strangely coerced or that he never bulked up.
Professor X wrote:
I do think it is funny that some people think that just because they don’t see pics of these guys at their worst shape that they must never get fatter. MOST of these guys gain extra fat in the off season and the ones who do are usually the ones who make the most progress from one year to the next. Once they get to the elite level, more may cut back on doing so (since all of the size is already built for the most part), but that doesn’t mean those pics were strangely coerced or that he never bulked up.
What you say is not entirely true. Whether or not you have the ablility to stay relatively lean in the off-season has more to do with genetics, than the “guts” to fully commit yourself to a bulk.
Dexter Jackson for example never got fat in the off season, yet he has gained over 100 lbs. during his competitive career. He even gained quite a bit last year, while his guest posing pics showed him as a relatively lean man. On the opposite end we find Trey Brewer who gained a shitload of meat, but was not able to retain much, if any, come contest time.
I also believe that Lee Priest once stated that he was in reality not quite as fat as he seemed in the ads, and that they tried to make him look as bad as they could.
That being said, I do not wish to be misinterpreted in saying you should keep your 6pack year round. Especially in the beginning stages of your life as a bodybuilder there is nothing wrong with being a bit fatter. However, point being, some will get fat in the off season and other won’t, but it does not directly translate in one making better gains than the other. Individual variety is too big for that.
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My position has always been that you need to work with your own genetics. Some people can stay relatively lean while also adding 50lbs of lean body mass. I would consider them a minority, but it would make no sense for them to gain extra body fat if they are gaining just fine already.
Getting that point across is difficult when you have several people (and even authors) acting as if the message is “get fat or obese”.
I personally gained A LOT more muscle when I allowed myself to gain more body fat. I would imagine I am not alone.
It is no coincidence that most of the “stay lean year round” crowd has so much trouble EVER getting big and staying that way.
Just came across this quick interview with priest and thought I’d post it. He seems to indeed have a love for junk food.
First Bodybuilding Contest: The 1986 Sydney Bodybuilding Classic
Major Wins: I won the Mr. Australia three times - 1989, '90 and '91.
Highlight of Career: Placing sixth at the 1997 Olympia at the tender age of 25.
Biggest Disappointment of Career: Having to cut out KFC at contest time. As to having my placing changed at the 1997 Mr. O, I don’t worry about that stuff, shit happens.
Role Models in Bodybuilding: Dorian Yates, Paul Dillett, and Nasser El Sonbaty, I have a lot for the guys with the freakier physiques and that’s what I want to emulate.
Bodybuilders Whose Personalites You Most Admire: Paul Dillett, Mike Matarazzo, Tom Platz.
Least-favourite Exercise: All of them.
Favourite Exercise: I don’t have any.
Long-Term Personal Ambition: To live long enough to see a bodybuilding show judged correctly.
Long-Term Bodybuilding Ambition: To do the best I can and to get progressively bigger.
Best Bodypart: My Heart.
Worst: My whole body; that’s why I keep training hard to improve.
What You Would Be If Not A Bodybuilder: A mortician. It’s steady work, especially in Los Angeles.
Possession You Prize Above All Others: My life.
Idea of a Perfect Vacation: Going to any place with no gym or junk food.
Favourite Car: BMW 850i - the car I drive. Hummers and Lamborghinis are not bad at all.
Favourite Binge-Out Treat: KFC, Chinese Food and Ice-Cream bars.
Favourite Food: Junk Food!
Favourite Musician:I like love songs and ballads. Celine Dion is a good example of a singer who I enjoy listening too.
Favourite Book: Whatever is sitting beside the toilet when I visit.
Favourite City: Metropolis
Favourite Comedian: Adam Sandler is pretty funny. I like comedians who are rude and disgusting.
Favourite TV Programmes: Days of Our Lives and any TV talk show.
Trait you Admire in Yourself: My sense of humour.
Traits you Admire in Others: Honesty, and a good sense of humour.
Lee Priest has been hit with an IFBB fine of nearly $12,000 in response to his withdrawal from the Arnold Classic and comments elsewhere that a bodybuilder has to “sleep with officials” to do well in contests. Agree? Until the fine is paid, the 1998 Mr. 0 Seventh Place finisher will not be allowed to compete in IFBB contests.