Check out the comments. Some douche actually had the gall to suggest Kroc’s form was shit and that he might be “cheating himself”.
Hahahahaha.
[quote]shogunassassin wrote:
Check out the comments. [/quote]
my favorites:
Filmboy44 (1 week ago) marked as spam
"They are called “chins” and not “noses” for a reason.
good back development however. "
also
jaceuk (1 week ago) marked as spam
"lol wot no rom haha "
and finally
theken206 (2 days ago) marked as spam
"granted with that wide of a grip it makes it very hard to complete the chin up but those were pushing the line of “cheating yourself” IMHO. "
I can’t wait to see the comments here as well, I’m expecting something like “yes that is impressive, but ________ (insert choice of ROM, bouncing, other bs)”
Yea, maybe if he didn’t CHEAT he wouldn’t have the 2ND highest total ever for his bodyweight.
I bet the guy with THE highest total doesn’t cheat like that.
(completely sarcastic in case anyone didn’t get that)
The guy is obviously worthy of praise. Give him props for his strength achievements, physique, whatever. Yes, the people on youtube are making commentary that you find foolish, but is it? Truly impressive size and strength, but that doesn’t make this demonstration immune to criticism.
When people are talking about pullups, I like to think they are really talking about pullups. This is the same site that mocks the crossfit kippers, after all. Where are the squat depth’ers now?
Also, that “noses” comment was pretty good.
[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
shogunassassin wrote:
Check out the comments.
my favorites:
Filmboy44 (1 week ago) marked as spam
"They are called “chins” and not “noses” for a reason.
good back development however. "
also
jaceuk (1 week ago) marked as spam
"lol wot no rom haha "
and finally
theken206 (2 days ago) marked as spam
"granted with that wide of a grip it makes it very hard to complete the chin up but those were pushing the line of “cheating yourself” IMHO. "
I can’t wait to see the comments here as well, I’m expecting something like “yes that is impressive, but ________ (insert choice of ROM, bouncing, other bs)”
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it’s the fact that he claims he can do 30, but in actuality, he can’t. Nobody can take away the size and power of his back, but they CAN refute his claim.
It’s just kind of irritating, albeit cool in this case, when someone posts something to show off when they aren’t even doing it right.
For example, guy that works out in my gym comes in for every work out, slaps on 320 lbs on the seated calf machine and starts pumping out reps where his heel moves no further than an inch throughout his ROM.
If this guy wanted to show off, he should have just done em shoulder width; it would have been just as if not more impressive since he’d be pounding back a lot more reps, and he could have given full ROM. Everybody wins!
Uhh yeah Kroc is strong but his form is GARBAGE. It works for him, so great, but any pull-up competition wouldn’t have counted any of those reps.
[quote]Epimetheus wrote:
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For example, guy that works out in my gym comes in for every work out, slaps on 320 lbs on the seated calf machine and starts pumping out reps where his heel moves no further than an inch throughout his ROM.
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What do his calf muscles look like?
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Is that good form?
NO!
That takes nothing away from any other lift that he has done.[/quote]
I think most are missing the point. Kroc is a powerlifter. He has a goal of adding weight to the bar in the squat, bench and deadlift.
In order to do this he figures out what works for him. Nobody gives him extra points in his next meet because he fully extended his arms and lifted his chin above the bar in training.
If you ask me if his form is good, I’d say yes, his form is great because it has added weight to his total.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
shogunassassin wrote:
Check out the comments. Some douche actually had the gall to suggest Kroc’s form was shit and that he might be “cheating himself”.
Hahahahaha.
What is it with people like you?
Look the guy is GREAT at what he does.
And doing that many Chins in almost any type of form is sweet.
But, I don’t think he touched his chin to the top of the bar even once.
Is that good form?
NO!
That takes nothing away from any other lift that he has done.[/quote]
I think you misunderstood me. I was pointing out the fact that people had the gall to criticize him…
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I guess it’s a good think he’s not a professional pullupper.
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If his form is “garbage”, I’m a chinese jet pilot.
Interesting that Matt K received similar comments when he posted his db row video.
Chins and db rows are two of my favorite back movements. I was all fired up after watching the db row and chin videos.
Matt, if you are reading this thread, good job and thanks for posting the videos.
Fred
A. He’s 250lbs…
B. Its wide grip overhead
C. He did 50 plus
Think about that. It may not be perfect, but the man did FIFTY at TWO-FIFTY POUNDS with a WIDE GRIP OVERAND.
Some guys can’t 160lbs and can’t do 2 pull ups close under hand grip. Jeez
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
If you ask me if his form is good, I’d say yes, his form is great because it has added weight to his total.
Then you’d be wrong.
Simply because something works for you doesn’t make it proper form. And I also want to add, just because a guy is great, or borderline great in one thing does not make him great in another thing.
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I disagree. If it works for you, then that IS proper form, for you. It’s proper form for what he is trying to accomplish, and his results more than speak for themselves.
He never said he was trying to perform the “perfect” chin-up, according to someone else’s definition.
It’s like criticizing Ronnie Coleman for the way he was doing 800lb squats because he didn’t go “ass to grass”. That’s just ridiculous IMO.
That’s the point. If I bench without pausing, is it still called a bench press?
Well it wouldn’t pass in a competition, so I guess I’m only doing a bench press when I’m pausing on my chest.
I should re-name whatever exercise it is that I’m doing when I lay on a bench and bring a barbell to my chest and press it back up.
I don’t think anyone said he was doing “perfect reps” that would count in some kind of pull-up or chin-up contest.
[quote]SWR wrote:
Yea, maybe if he didn’t CHEAT he wouldn’t have the 2ND highest total ever for his bodyweight.
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I thought he had the 2nd highest total ever for any weight class?
EDIT: Nevermind, I’m an idiot.
It doesn’t matter if its “what works for him.” It still doesn’t count as a rep!
Hey, look everyone quarter squats have made me so strong and big. Now in a competition I’m allowed to do quarter squats while those other suckers have to go to parallel!
Sure, its all good if those reps work for this guy, but he still can’t count it as 30 reps. Its more like 30 1/2 reps. I don’t care how elite he is, doesn’t mean he’s allowed any special treatment.
Now I’m going to head to the gym and set my 225 rep bench record. I’ll see how many times I can unrack and drop the bar down a couple inches.
Extreme case, but point made.
I love how Kroc is totally ignoring this thread.
Kroc, you’re a beast dude. I wish I was built like you. Unfortunately, I’m a fat ass. Keep up the killer work man.
[quote]SlothGuy wrote:
It doesn’t matter if its “what works for him.” It still doesn’t count as a rep! [/quote]
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Hey, look everyone quarter squats have made me so strong and big. Now in a competition I’m allowed to do quarter squats while those other suckers have to go to parallel!.[/quote]
Is he in a competition? Is he comparing his reps to other competitive chin upper? Is there actually an organization that holds chin up contests?
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Sure, its all good if those reps work for this guy, but he still can’t count it as 30 reps. Its more like 30 1/2 reps. I don’t care how elite he is, doesn’t mean he’s allowed any special treatment.[/quote]
Special treatment for what? Apparently I missed the memo that outlined legal training parameters. Could someone please forward it to me.
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Now I’m going to head to the gym and set my 225 rep bench record. I’ll see how many times I can unrack and drop the bar down a couple inches.
Extreme case, but point made.[/quote]
If 225 partial reps gets you closer to your goal, then do it and neither I nor anyone else will give a shit what you call them. (Yes I know you are just making this example up.)