Krav Maga as Self Defence?

[quote]thruxton45 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]thruxton45 wrote:

[quote]Malchir wrote:
The original Krav maga and kapap are war styles, not self-defense. Self-defense isn’t “solving the encounter as violently as possible”. That will get you in jail. Yes, the street does have rules, they’re called the law.
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wow. i can’t believe you just said that the street has rules. [/quote]

The street does have rules. They’re called laws. And they’re enforced steadily.[/quote]

i’m not talking force above and beyond (such as someone calling you a bitch so you shoot them) but if someone is beating your ass (or the threat is imminent) then you do not need to be careful in how you respond. the whole point of mental preparedness is to avoid the stunned response of a civilized person who might just stand there in disbelief “is he really hitting me?” but instead to immediately, and with complete violent force, respond

ie

"Anthony Ervin was a career criminal. He was arrested eight times on assorted robbery, weapons, and assault charges between 1987 and 1996. On October 8, 1996, he acosted Courtney Beswick, a blind man who must have seemed like an easy target. After Ervinâ??s demands for money were repeatedly refused, he attacked Beswick. Beswick, a long time practitioner of martial arts, threw his assailant over his shoulder, onto the pavement. The fall broke Ervinâ??s neck, and he subsequently died.

Having survived this terrifying ordeal, Beswick still faced the possibility of criminal and civil charges. In this case, however, the police and estate of the deceased decided not to file charges against Beswick, since he clearly acted in self-defense."

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That person is really lucky no civil suit was brought against them.

Self-defense doesn’t encompass every action you can take against an assailant, them attacking you doesn’t give you the ability to go beyond self-defense and stray towards assault or manslaughter.

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]thruxton45 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]thruxton45 wrote:

[quote]Malchir wrote:
The original Krav maga and kapap are war styles, not self-defense. Self-defense isn’t “solving the encounter as violently as possible”. That will get you in jail. Yes, the street does have rules, they’re called the law.
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wow. i can’t believe you just said that the street has rules. [/quote]

The street does have rules. They’re called laws. And they’re enforced steadily.[/quote]

i’m not talking force above and beyond (such as someone calling you a bitch so you shoot them) but if someone is beating your ass (or the threat is imminent) then you do not need to be careful in how you respond. the whole point of mental preparedness is to avoid the stunned response of a civilized person who might just stand there in disbelief “is he really hitting me?” but instead to immediately, and with complete violent force, respond

ie

"Anthony Ervin was a career criminal. He was arrested eight times on assorted robbery, weapons, and assault charges between 1987 and 1996. On October 8, 1996, he acosted Courtney Beswick, a blind man who must have seemed like an easy target. After Ervin�¢??s demands for money were repeatedly refused, he attacked Beswick. Beswick, a long time practitioner of martial arts, threw his assailant over his shoulder, onto the pavement. The fall broke Ervin�¢??s neck, and he subsequently died.

Having survived this terrifying ordeal, Beswick still faced the possibility of criminal and civil charges. In this case, however, the police and estate of the deceased decided not to file charges against Beswick, since he clearly acted in self-defense."

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That person is really lucky no civil suit was brought against them.

Self-defense doesn’t encompass every action you can take against an assailant, them attacking you doesn’t give you the ability to go beyond self-defense and stray towards assault or manslaughter.
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i thought at first that we might be saying the same thing only getting crossed on meaning. but i guess i’ll just have to be the odd man out on this one. i’m not a street guy so i’m not trying to sound boastful or whatever and i know that my brain still works when i fight. i’ve used measured response where you only do what it took to make them yield.

however, i would never be more concerned with law than making them inert. especially for a mugging or that sort of thing. in fact, not being a street smart guy, i would worry instead that i would hesitate or give something other than complete ape-shit.