Kirk Karwoski On Booting Dweebs Out of His Squat Racks

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
anyway, color me a twat b/c I can’t see the day where I walk in and say, “excuse me chap, would you mind doing your curls over there where everyone else does their curls and allow me to actually squat in the rack that was intended, among other things, for squatting”?[/quote]

Maybe not. Then again, a, “hey, mind if I work in?” is probably beneath your ‘United Nations peacekeeper diplomacy skillz’, anyhow.

Nope, you just drop your bag next to them, make a silly, passive aggressive remark, leave, and hope they catch on. I’m thinking that’s the gist of these barbaric verbal assaults I’ve heard so much about?

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How the hell does a person keep a gym membership after they treat more than one or two other members like that?

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[ What you described isn’t self-defense and wouldnt be viewed as such by anyone with common sense. If he ‘came at you with aggression’ you could stand your ground and yell back. If you waited til he threw the 45 and THEN threw a 45 yourself, now that’s self-defense.

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You’re actually very wrong. Self defense does not require that you suffer an attack. In your example above, you wait until he throws a 45 first and you say, THEN you can throw it back. This is wrong. This is not self defense. That is stupid.

When he first comes at you with aggression, and you believe your life or safety is in jeapordy, you are permitted then and there to use reasonable force to deter or extinguish the attack. Now of course there are nuances to the law from State to State, but the general principals hold true.

Is winging a 45lb plate at a large man who is aggressively approaching you snortling and chortling while verbalizing threats a reasonable response? Maybe. Depending on the relative size of the two parties.

I get the intent of your post though, and don’t intend to be a nit. But the content was patently false.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I don’t believe he literally meant throwing plates at someone.[/quote]

Agreed. He’s just being hyperbolic. You know that. I know that. But still, some a-hole watching that vid might not catch the nuance and take it as license to act as such.

Look at all the little dweebs who db-press the 35’s then throw them down like they just conquered fucking gravity. They see that on videos and take it as a cue that’s how you’re supposed to act in a gym (if you’re a douchebag).
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I find a little peer pressure works fine in these situations. I have no reservation whatsoever about standing there, with a pregnant pause, longer than necessary, shaking my head and generally looking at them like they just grabbed a 8 year old girl’s ass. You know the look…the look that says, “you fucking jerk off”.

But it’s all relative…their 35’s are our 135s and although I don’t slam them, I realize we all started somewhere. But you’re correct in the sense that being a jerk off is being a jerk off no matter what your relative strength. I look at the guys that slam the big bells the same way as I look at the guys that slam the 35s.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
are you serious? it was absolutely edited. that much is clear. you don’t even have a question or context.[/quote]

It was edited such that it may have started up mid-sentence, but when he starts talking about walking to the squat rack and seeing someone using it, there is no cut.

“…I’d walk back to the squat racks, I’d throw my gym bag on the floor, it’s 5:30 on Monday - or it’s within a few minutes of 5:30 on Monday. And if somebody was STUPID enough to be on those racks, they would get a ‘five minutes’…”

…then he talks about throwing their shit off the rack if they didn’t follow his orders.

Are we assuming that he mentioned pussies and douche bags just prior to that, but then switched to a generalizing ‘somebody’ (anybody) being on the rack?[/quote]

you can’t make any assumptions. you answered your own question by acknowledging he was picked up mid sentence. Therefore, you cannot know the context - only make ass-umptions :slight_smile:

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
anyway, color me a twat b/c I can’t see the day where I walk in and say, “excuse me chap, would you mind doing your curls over there where everyone else does their curls and allow me to actually squat in the rack that was intended, among other things, for squatting”?[/quote]

Maybe not. Then again, a, “hey, mind if I work in?” is probably beneath your ‘United Nations peacekeeper diplomacy skillz’, anyhow.

Nope, you just drop your bag next to them, make a silly, passive aggressive remark, leave, and hope they catch on. I’m thinking that’s the gist of these barbaric verbal assaults I’ve heard so much about?[/quote]

Whatever. It worked. Woody’s gym, Harrisburg PA. That’s the last commercial gym I worked out with and the last time I had partners. And yes, people absolutely positively vacated the squat rack. If you were squatting however, I’d wait.

If you were doing some dumb shit that could be done elsewhere, you were fucking moving. The gym was 24 hours, but catered to powerlifters and one of the trainers there was my dear friend Terry Grimwood. So no, I wouldn’t be banned. The ownership was more likely to tell them to gtfo of the squat rack as they were to admonish me in any fashion whatsoever.

See, you want to stick up for the “little guy”. And this is not a big guy, little guy, bully/victim scenario. We’re talking right and wrong. We’re talking proper use of the equipment. It’s clear. It’s unambiguous. And maybe you argue so passionately b/c you’re one of the jerk offs doing curls in the squat rack?

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

What you described isn’t self-defense and wouldnt be viewed as such by anyone with common sense. If he ‘came at you with aggression’ you could stand your ground and yell back. If you waited til he threw the 45 and THEN threw a 45 yourself, now that’s self-defense…[/quote]

Actually, its really not. Self defense only comes into play when you have no other option - including run the fuck away. So, somebody chucks a plate at your head, and you decide to wing one back, and seriously injure them, you aren’t getting away with a “it was self defense” plea. Stopping someone from hurting you is self defense, attempting to hurt someone else because they attempted to hurt you isn’t.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

What you described isn’t self-defense and wouldnt be viewed as such by anyone with common sense. If he ‘came at you with aggression’ you could stand your ground and yell back. If you waited til he threw the 45 and THEN threw a 45 yourself, now that’s self-defense…[/quote]

Actually, its really not. Self defense only comes into play when you have no other option - including run the fuck away. So, somebody chucks a plate at your head, and you decide to wing one back, and seriously injure them, you aren’t getting away with a “it was self defense” plea. Stopping someone from hurting you is self defense, attempting to hurt someone else because they attempted to hurt you isn’t.[/quote]

Not all States require you to retreat, not even with a gun - although some do.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

What you described isn’t self-defense and wouldnt be viewed as such by anyone with common sense. If he ‘came at you with aggression’ you could stand your ground and yell back. If you waited til he threw the 45 and THEN threw a 45 yourself, now that’s self-defense…[/quote]

Actually, its really not. Self defense only comes into play when you have no other option - including run the fuck away. So, somebody chucks a plate at your head, and you decide to wing one back, and seriously injure them, you aren’t getting away with a “it was self defense” plea.

Stopping someone from hurting you is self defense, attempting to hurt someone else because they attempted to hurt you isn’t.[/quote]

I just want to reiterate that I’m talking about “common sense” or what I see as common sense anyway. I did not intend to make it seem as tho I were providing a legal definition or litmus test for what constitutes self-defense.

My only point was that, in general, if someone’s being a blowhard, I think one is best off letting them continue to be a blowhard, but once someone puts their hands on you, that changes everything (see ‘Epic Beard Man’.) And yes, I realize that that is very vague and open to interpretation. oh well

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

What you described isn’t self-defense and wouldnt be viewed as such by anyone with common sense. If he ‘came at you with aggression’ you could stand your ground and yell back. If you waited til he threw the 45 and THEN threw a 45 yourself, now that’s self-defense…[/quote]

Actually, its really not. Self defense only comes into play when you have no other option - including run the fuck away. So, somebody chucks a plate at your head, and you decide to wing one back, and seriously injure them, you aren’t getting away with a “it was self defense” plea.

Stopping someone from hurting you is self defense, attempting to hurt someone else because they attempted to hurt you isn’t.[/quote]

I just want to reiterate that I’m talking about “common sense” or what I see as common sense anyway. I did not intend to make it seem as tho I were providing a legal definition or litmus test for what constitutes self-defense.

My only point was that, in general, if someone’s being a blowhard, I think one is best off letting them continue to be a blowhard, but once someone puts their hands on you, that changes everything (see ‘Epic Beard Man’.) And yes, I realize that that is very vague and open to interpretation. oh well[/quote]

I understood your post and your generic point. However, waiting until someone puts their hands on you is not advisable. Ever. If someone is being a blowhard as you say, the minute you invade my personal space - that is, where I can actually reach you and you can reach me, I’m going to act with aggression and prejudice. If you cannot be the aggressor, then you retreat. You NEVER let anyone “put their hands on you”. Ever.

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[quote]Antares wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Antares wrote:
There is a BIG difference between dodging a 45# plate, thrown kinda-half-assed-like, as a waring shot, and hitting a guy in the knee when he’s focusing on 500# Full Squat.
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Sorry, I don’t agree with ‘bully-apologists’. Do you apologize for muggers and rapists, too?

The guy said he was throwing plates. Again, sorry, but you don’t just “casually” dodge a plate coming at you. I’ve dropped plates before–they’re fucking heavy and can crush bones dropped from just a few inches.

Even ‘casual warning plate throwing’, you’re talking about potential broken bones and serious injury.

If someone is lobbing objects at me that are going to injure me and break bones, then, yes, I’m going defend myself. I don’t give a rat-fuck if you or anyone else think it’s right or wrong.

Sounds like your mentor had it coming to him. There is no “Manning Up” needed. Your guy chased someone from the squat rack. Sounds like a Queen Douchebag that deserved to get his knees kicked out. You stick your fist into a hornets nest and you’re guaranteed to get stung in the back as you’re running away defenseless.

If you’re throwing plates at people, you can expect to get your knees kicked out or have plates thrown back.

Joking or not, Karwoski is the epitome of why big dudes in the gym get a bad rap. He does serious weightlifters no favors.

I got no love for douchebags of that magnitude.[/quote]

One this was not my Mentor, it was the closest thing that came to a training partner for him.

This guy was a big influence on me too.

Second, you are going to silly extremes. Rape, and throwing plates to scare a guy off of a rack, is not a good parallel.

Third, where does it stop?

I mean, you kick him out while he’s Full Squating 500, you fucking wait just for the right moment of weakness and run, and then what if he comes to you some time and sends you to the hospital it’s cool right?

You think he ‘deserves that’ and he thinks you ‘deserves this.’

I mean you could have sent him to the hospital with the knee-kick, so he goes and sees you face to face and says ‘lets do this it.’

That’s fine right?

Or is he supposed to take the knee-kick, all be it he had no real odds of avoiding it, as ‘justice?’

You took it to the next level, he took it even further, lets do this 'till one or the other dies?

Spy Vs Spy?

I don’t fully agree with EITHER one of you…actually…

Just 'cause this guy was big influence on my Weight Training, doesn’t mean I liked EVERYTHING he did, or had POTENTIAL to do, and call it ‘good’.

I don’t like A LOT of your potential either…

They didn’t care if you think they are proper Gentlemen-Weight-Lifters, whom are/were doing ‘wrong’, any more than you care if I/they think you are ‘wrong.’

I am just glad you never encountered them in a ‘public’ gym…Would get nutz, in no time…[/quote]

This is usually the way it works, which is why you shouldn’t be a dick to begin with, because you just don’t know how the other person will react.

Nothing like this has ever happened to me, but if some guy came over to me and told me I had 5 minutes to get off “his” squat rack, I would probably tell him where I am in my squat work and how long I thought it would take. If he escalated it, I would probably just say, “ok, I’ll just go finish up on leg press”, then go piss in his gym bag. Passive-aggressive is the best way to handle these types.

DB

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

What you described isn’t self-defense and wouldnt be viewed as such by anyone with common sense. If he ‘came at you with aggression’ you could stand your ground and yell back. If you waited til he threw the 45 and THEN threw a 45 yourself, now that’s self-defense…[/quote]

Actually, its really not. Self defense only comes into play when you have no other option - including run the fuck away.

So, somebody chucks a plate at your head, and you decide to wing one back, and seriously injure them, you aren’t getting away with a “it was self defense” plea. Stopping someone from hurting you is self defense, attempting to hurt someone else because they attempted to hurt you isn’t.[/quote]

If he’s reaching for another 45# to throw at you, it is. You’re not the only one here who watches “Law and Order” on occasion.

DB

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Whether this guy actually throws a plate or not is irrelevant. What sets him up to be categorised as one of the biggest cocksuckers in history is that he actually thinks other people will go “wow, you’re amazing for throwing a plate at someone”.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

According to legend any ways…
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I laughed.[/quote]

Yes, it could be laughable. I respect that, some people won’t believe the story. I say ‘according to legend,’ because I was NOT BORN when this supposedly occurred.

I say ‘according to legend’ about a lot of shit though, pretty much ANY TIME, ANYTHING happens that I do not witness myself…

According to legend…red04 lifts weights…I have never SEEN it, but he posts on a Weight Training board…

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
How the hell does a person keep a gym membership after they treat more than one or two other members like that? [/quote]

They don’t. At least, that guy in my story could not keep a gym membership.

My Uncle/Mentor, could, for a little longer, but he mostly got barred for inciting people to wager cash on lifts, and bringing booze into ‘health clubs.’

Part-time-awesome-Weight-Lifter, Full-Time-Crazy-Hooligan, that WAS my Uncle Mick…

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

What you described isn’t self-defense and wouldnt be viewed as such by anyone with common sense. If he ‘came at you with aggression’ you could stand your ground and yell back. If you waited til he threw the 45 and THEN threw a 45 yourself, now that’s self-defense…[/quote]

Actually, its really not. Self defense only comes into play when you have no other option - including run the fuck away.

So, somebody chucks a plate at your head, and you decide to wing one back, and seriously injure them, you aren’t getting away with a “it was self defense” plea. Stopping someone from hurting you is self defense, attempting to hurt someone else because they attempted to hurt you isn’t.[/quote]

If he’s reaching for another 45# to throw at you, it is. You’re not the only one here who watches “Law and Order” on occasion.

DB
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See above, re: run the fuck away.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

What you described isn’t self-defense and wouldnt be viewed as such by anyone with common sense. If he ‘came at you with aggression’ you could stand your ground and yell back. If you waited til he threw the 45 and THEN threw a 45 yourself, now that’s self-defense…[/quote]

Actually, its really not. Self defense only comes into play when you have no other option - including run the fuck away.

So, somebody chucks a plate at your head, and you decide to wing one back, and seriously injure them, you aren’t getting away with a “it was self defense” plea. Stopping someone from hurting you is self defense, attempting to hurt someone else because they attempted to hurt you isn’t.[/quote]

If he’s reaching for another 45# to throw at you, it is. You’re not the only one here who watches “Law and Order” on occasion.

DB
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See above, re: run the fuck away.[/quote]

So you want me to turn away as a 45 is flying towards my head? I will not, sir. I will stand face to face with my adversary and throw 45s until one of us falls. Or maybe I will grab an empty barbell and catch the plates as they come at me until it is loaded up with 4 plates per side at which point I will throw the 405# barbell at his neck and decapitate him for his insolence.

“Live for nothing or die for something”. And I will stare down any judge who dares to sentence me to time for this behavior and, God forbid that judge does sentence me, I will rise from the grave to exact my revenge.

DB

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

What you described isn’t self-defense and wouldnt be viewed as such by anyone with common sense. If he ‘came at you with aggression’ you could stand your ground and yell back. If you waited til he threw the 45 and THEN threw a 45 yourself, now that’s self-defense…[/quote]

Actually, its really not. Self defense only comes into play when you have no other option - including run the fuck away.

So, somebody chucks a plate at your head, and you decide to wing one back, and seriously injure them, you aren’t getting away with a “it was self defense” plea. Stopping someone from hurting you is self defense, attempting to hurt someone else because they attempted to hurt you isn’t.[/quote]

If he’s reaching for another 45# to throw at you, it is. You’re not the only one here who watches “Law and Order” on occasion.

DB
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See above, re: run the fuck away.[/quote]

So you want me to turn away as a 45 is flying towards my head? I will not, sir. I will stand face to face with my adversary and throw 45s until one of us falls. Or maybe I will grab an empty barbell and catch the plates as they come at me until it is loaded up with 4 plates per side at which point I will throw the 405# barbell at his neck and decapitate him for his insolence.

“Live for nothing or die for something”. And I will stare down any judge who dares to sentence me to time for this behavior and, God forbid that judge does sentence me, I will rise from the grave to exact my revenge.

DB[/quote]

After you decapitate him with 405, will you proceed outside, shirtless and rip a stop sign out of the ground? Cause I think other than farting yourself to the moon, that is the only thing that would make that story and more awsome.

V

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

What you described isn’t self-defense and wouldnt be viewed as such by anyone with common sense. If he ‘came at you with aggression’ you could stand your ground and yell back. If you waited til he threw the 45 and THEN threw a 45 yourself, now that’s self-defense…[/quote]

Actually, its really not. Self defense only comes into play when you have no other option - including run the fuck away.

So, somebody chucks a plate at your head, and you decide to wing one back, and seriously injure them, you aren’t getting away with a “it was self defense” plea. Stopping someone from hurting you is self defense, attempting to hurt someone else because they attempted to hurt you isn’t.[/quote]

If he’s reaching for another 45# to throw at you, it is. You’re not the only one here who watches “Law and Order” on occasion.

DB
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See above, re: run the fuck away.[/quote]

So you want me to turn away as a 45 is flying towards my head? I will not, sir. I will stand face to face with my adversary and throw 45s until one of us falls. Or maybe I will grab an empty barbell and catch the plates as they come at me until it is loaded up with 4 plates per side at which point I will throw the 405# barbell at his neck and decapitate him for his insolence.

“Live for nothing or die for something”. And I will stare down any judge who dares to sentence me to time for this behavior and, God forbid that judge does sentence me, I will rise from the grave to exact my revenge.

DB[/quote]

After you decapitate him with 405, will you proceed outside, shirtless and rip a stop sign out of the ground? Cause I think other than farting yourself to the moon, that is the only thing that would make that story and more awsome.

V[/quote]

Why would I do that? It’s not like he was legally cock-blocking me.

DB

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[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

What you described isn’t self-defense and wouldnt be viewed as such by anyone with common sense. If he ‘came at you with aggression’ you could stand your ground and yell back. If you waited til he threw the 45 and THEN threw a 45 yourself, now that’s self-defense…[/quote]

Actually, its really not. Self defense only comes into play when you have no other option - including run the fuck away.

So, somebody chucks a plate at your head, and you decide to wing one back, and seriously injure them, you aren’t getting away with a “it was self defense” plea. Stopping someone from hurting you is self defense, attempting to hurt someone else because they attempted to hurt you isn’t.[/quote]

If he’s reaching for another 45# to throw at you, it is. You’re not the only one here who watches “Law and Order” on occasion.

DB
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See above, re: run the fuck away.[/quote]

So you want me to turn away as a 45 is flying towards my head? I will not, sir. I will stand face to face with my adversary and throw 45s until one of us falls. Or maybe I will grab an empty barbell and catch the plates as they come at me until it is loaded up with 4 plates per side at which point I will throw the 405# barbell at his neck and decapitate him for his insolence.

“Live for nothing or die for something”. And I will stare down any judge who dares to sentence me to time for this behavior and, God forbid that judge does sentence me, I will rise from the grave to exact my revenge.

DB[/quote]

After you decapitate him with 405, will you proceed outside, shirtless and rip a stop sign out of the ground? Cause I think other than farting yourself to the moon, that is the only thing that would make that story and more awsome.

V[/quote]

Why would I do that? It’s not like he was legally cock-blocking me.

DB
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I thought a legal Squat-block would illicit the same awsome response.

V