[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t think full understanding of how useless these forums are going to become will set in until most of the regular posters…quit posting.[/quote]
Nahhhh… regular posters quit posting? That would NEVER happen! tee hee
[quote]OMC wrote:
–Get rid of all these stupid threads…only allow them to post in the beginners section for a certain amount of time and then let them loose on the ranch when they have a bit of knowledge as to how this site works.–
my 2 cents
OMC
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While I agree that there should be SOME sort of regulation with these type of posters, a viable solution will be hard to find.
Not all new members are “noobs”. They may be new to this site, but not necessarily new to lifting. To limit these potential good contributers to the beginners forum for what, a specific amount of posts, in my opinion, wouldn’t be right.
How do you propose to identify a noob? Hight and weight? Years in the gym? Amount of weight they can move? If so how would you verify the information?
Don’t take this as a defense of noob’s questions or trolls for that matter. It’s not. Steer the legitimate noobs who honestly don’t know in the right direction. If they ask a stupid question, tell the to read the beginners forum before the get flamed.
And as far as trolls go, ignore them. I think most of us can see when a poster is legit, and when they’re full of shit.
Cueball
Most of the people who make posts that seem ignorant and say “130 now but don’t want to get to big” or “shrugs have worked too well for me” end up leaving the site pretty quickly after getting flamed.
T-Nation is still the best forum on the internet. Think about it. Most other forums are dedicated to stuff like video games, fantasy feeders, weird special interest groups, and other shit that just isn’t very masculine.
I really think the only way T-Nation could die is if Biotest is bought by Coca-Cola or Tyson foods and the T-Nation and Biotest brand-name is used to market a home workout that is made entirely out of stretch cords.
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
oh cry me a river. Unless you’re shredded that’s still nothing to post pics about.
I like how you took my words at face value. My goals are to be 185-190 at 5’6, shredded, professional physique. That’s not worthy of posting? Don’t even try to tell me I won’t achieve that either, because I don’t put limitations on myself (whether you do or don’t isn’t my worry).
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Are you kidding with this? This is the same type of crap the trolls write - dont TELL us about what your GOING to do, SHOW us what you have DONE
I dont need some advance notice that at some yet-to-be-determined point in teh future some munchkin bodybuilder will be posting pics. Talk is cheap
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Had to laugh at this thread.
A forum is all in fun, no one takes any of it seriously. This is like in the 19th century South: a bunch of guys sitting around the pickle barrel shooting the shit. It has NO meaning whatsoever.
C’mon, how hard is it to lift heavy, eat a lot, and sleep? Jesus!!![/quote]
I like these comments. You come across very level-headed, which is seriously lacking in the forum areas. That’s one of the reasons I rarely go in there. Some people take things way too seriously and really need to just go outside and form some real human relationships instead of living in a virtual reality world. Eat, sleep, train, live your life. That simple. Don’t over-complicate things and don’t become emotionally attached to internet posts.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
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Reading and studying articles by experts = good. Arguing with strangers with unknown qualifications = fun. Listening to said stranger = hilarious.
Reading and studying articles by “experts” = can be good or bad depending on who’s doing the reading and studying.
Strangers with progress much greater than yours = qualifications that should speak for themselves and arguing with them for fun is arrogant and you do it to your own detriment.
Ignoring said strangers = stupid
Strangers who can quote mountains of articles read and studied = guys who read a lot.
Listening to said strangers = hilarious[/quote]
This is true. Results are everything. I don’t care if your a doctor or fucking bodybuilder. You have to have what I want.
Right now I’m working on what alot of people want…
[quote]JMB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I don’t think full understanding of how useless these forums are going to become will set in until most of the regular posters…quit posting.
Nahhhh… regular posters quit posting? That would NEVER happen! tee hee
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the day i quit is when this place becomes like bodybuilding.com forums, i escaped that place when 140lb shredded physiques where placed in high regard
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Are you kidding with this? This is the same type of crap the trolls write - dont TELL us about what your GOING to do, SHOW us what you have DONE
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Thank you.
Yes a viable solution is difficult but I do think if the effort were made some sort of criteria could be made which allowed for progressing from the beginners section onwards.
Honestly most beginners don’t need advice on anything out side of the beginners section although I do think restricted areas should be in the minority rather thatn the majority.
For example I think the rate my physique and performance photo’s section should be restricted to those with…oh say 50 posts or more unless special permission is given by a mod who has seen the pics already and determined that it is not a troll.
OMC
[quote]cueball wrote:
While I agree that there should be SOME sort of regulation with these type of posters, a viable solution will be hard to find.
Not all new members are “noobs”. They may be new to this site, but not necessarily new to lifting. To limit these potential good contributers to the beginners forum for what, a specific amount of posts, in my opinion, wouldn’t be right.
How do you propose to identify a noob? Hight and weight? Years in the gym? Amount of weight they can move? If so how would you verify the information?
Don’t take this as a defense of noob’s questions or trolls for that matter. It’s not. Steer the legitimate noobs who honestly don’t know in the right direction. If they ask a stupid question, tell the to read the beginners forum before the get flamed.
And as far as trolls go, ignore them. I think most of us can see when a poster is legit, and when they’re full of shit.
Cueball[/quote]
[quote]OMC wrote:
Yes a viable solution is difficult but I do think if the effort were made some sort of criteria could be made which allowed for progressing from the beginners section onwards.
Honestly most beginners don’t need advice on anything out side of the beginners section although I do think restricted areas should be in the minority rather thatn the majority.
For example I think the rate my physique and performance photo’s section should be restricted to those with…oh say 50 posts or more unless special permission is given by a mod who has seen the pics already and determined that it is not a troll.
OMC
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I think you might have missed my point. I do agree that beginners need to stay in the beginners forum. However, like I said before, not every new T-Nation member is a “beginner”.
How do you propose that T-Nation verifies the criteria you speak of? Just because someone fills out an e-form with some stats, doesn’t mean they are legit
And 50 posts is easily attainable. If you just ran through The Sex And The Male Animal forum and Posted “I’d hit it” 50 times, you would be there in no time.
Now, I can see restriction to some of the forums, but Rate My Physique? That forum was created to alleviate some of the issue at hand.
Doing all this would cause posts to flow just that much slower because the mods already have to read EVERY post as it is. Now you want them to make judgment calls on wether or not a member they know nothing about should be able to post.
Gotta be a different way.
Cueball
I understand what you mean about not everyone is a beginner and like I said it would take some thought. I’m not trying to give a definative solution as honestly it doesn’t bother me much apart from genuine noobs gettin flamed for silly reasons.
I do believe however if thought was put into the issue some sort of action could be taken. I just notice that most obvious trolls have only 1 or 2 posts. And I’m sure it just takes more effort to troll if you gotta meet a quota of posts.
Maybe the exception to this could be if you know an already established member. You can bypass this stage. Or if an advanced individual with no connection can apply directly to the mods.
Honestly the exposure of this problem annoys me more than the problem itself. And I’m irritated that I’m adding to this exposure.
Disgruntled
OMC
[quote]cueball wrote:
I think you might have missed my point. I do agree that beginners need to stay in the beginners forum. However, like I said before, not every new T-Nation member is a “beginner”.
How do you propose that T-Nation verifies the criteria you speak of? Just because someone fills out an e-form with some stats, doesn’t mean they are legit
And 50 posts is easily attainable. If you just ran through The Sex And The Male Animal forum and Posted “I’d hit it” 50 times, you would be there in no time.
Now, I can see restriction to some of the forums, but Rate My Physique? That forum was created to alleviate some of the issue at hand.
Doing all this would cause posts to flow just that much slower because the mods already have to read EVERY post as it is. Now you want them to make judgment calls on wether or not a member they know nothing about should be able to post.
Gotta be a different way.
Cueball
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Who really cares, it’s only the internet.
I was a regular poster since the inception of the forum. I was one of the original members of the now defunct dog pound. shortly after that was disbanded, I stopped posting for a few years. I was fed up with the newbie nonsense among other things.
Now I post time to time. I answer questions for Dave Tate at elite and just do other stuff.
More people should spend less time on the net and more time in the gym. The lessons you learn in the gym are a whole lot more important than any articles ( but you should still read of course) and forum posts.
Physically doing something such as learning a bench setup or squat form by doing and being showed how to do it beats reading any day. Learning how a heavier load feels is more important than arguing on the net about nonsense.
[quote]OMC wrote:
I understand what you mean about not everyone is a beginner and like I said it would take some thought. I’m not trying to give a definative solution as honestly it doesn’t bother me much apart from genuine noobs gettin flamed for silly reasons.
I do believe however if thought was put into the issue some sort of action could be taken. I just notice that most obvious trolls have only 1 or 2 posts. And I’m sure it just takes more effort to troll if you gotta meet a quota of posts.
Maybe the exception to this could be if you know an already established member. You can bypass this stage. Or if an advanced individual with no connection can apply directly to the mods.
Honestly the exposure of this problem annoys me more than the problem itself. And I’m irritated that I’m adding to this exposure.
Disgruntled
OMC
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Right on. I am with you as far as this just being annoying. If nothing changes, it won’t affect me to much, really. If it does, cool.
I just know how I would have felt had I been limited to the Beginner’s forum when I joined. It would have been like going to a puplic pool and them telling you that since you hadn’t swam there before, you had to swim in the kiddie pool.
Cueball
[quote]tom63 wrote:
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More people should spend less time on the net and more time in the gym. The lessons you learn in the gym are a whole lot more important than any articles ( but you should still read of course) and forum posts.
Physically doing something such as learning a bench setup or squat form by doing and being showed how to do it beats reading any day. Learning how a heavier load feels is more important than arguing on the net about nonsense.-
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I agree. If I could spend more time there, I would. But bills have to be paid so I live in the gym vicariously through this site. I sit at a computer all day, so, in between work responsibilities, I sneak in as much time here to read as I can.
In between new articles though, all there is to read is threads. Read enough of them and there is occasionally good stuff.
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
Results are everything. I don’t care if your a doctor or fucking bodybuilder. You have to have what I want.
Right now I’m working on what alot of people want…[/quote]
So, in other words, you would only listen to someone who has achieved more than you in your endeavor? How many of the top coaches in any sport were actually the top performers in that sport when they competed? Not many, I can tell you that.
Some people admire greatness, others achieve greatness and the coaches inspire and teach others how to achieve their greatness. You can learn something from everyone whether they’ve achieved what you want or not. Open your mind a little bit more.
DB
As a martial artist I was shown humility very early in my life so if I arrived with such limited training knowledge as “should I cut when 135 Ibs” I would have no problem staying in the kiddies pool for a while. That is just me however and I cannot presume to speak for anyone else.
The site will never take that course of action as its system is already established. I just wish there was some way of getting the message across to read first ask questions later to the noobs.
Maybe if they included that in big flashing letters in your sign up email.