did you guys experience milk farts?
[quote]Hussayn wrote:
did you guys experience milk farts?[/quote]
Not from the milk, but I do experience protein farts from consuming 5 - 600 grams of protein. 
[quote]AlteredState wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
I am not using creatine. During my PCT I will be using monohydrate at 10-15 grams per day to help maintain mass and hopefully I will see a boost in strength.
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I don’t think so. You can hope, but if you seriously believe that creatine will make up strength lost post cycle, you need to understand a little more of your physiology, lol.
Also, I disagree with Daves assertion that creatine takes 2-4 weeks to ‘load’. I can use it PWO for a couple of days and notice a difference.
You should probably be using creatine year round @ 5g per day, taken PWO.[/quote]
Yes sir, year round is IMO the proper protocol for creatine.
Sorry for the lack of updates, I’ll post some updates tomorrow.
Wanted to post this tonight, it’s urgent.
I have gyno starting in both nipples, especially my right one. I can already feel the hard spots, about the size of a nickel.
I do NOT have any letro. I have adex and nolva… took .25 mg adex today, and 20 mg nolva.
I’m thinking about ordering some Letro from that ONE place… because I heard bad things when you think INNovatively, lately after the bust.
Any thing I can do in the mean time?
[quote]kayveeay wrote:
Any thing I can do in the mean time?[/quote]
Watch this youtube video. Make sure the sound is high so you can hear the funny part at the end.
[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
Any thing I can do in the mean time?
Watch this youtube video. Make sure the sound is high so you can hear the funny part at the end.
LOL, thanks for that,
I meant as far as a nolva/adex regimen to slow/stop the gyno
What, that video didn’t scare the bitch-tits out of you?
Honestly though, you should have had this planned out. Just do a search about gyno flare ups and I’m sure you’ll find what you need. You probably don’t need the Letro.
[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
You probably don’t need the Letro.[/quote]
Although I think most would say it would be ideal.
[quote]kayveeay wrote:
Sorry for the lack of updates, I’ll post some updates tomorrow.
Wanted to post this tonight, it’s urgent.
I have gyno starting in both nipples, especially my right one. I can already feel the hard spots, about the size of a nickel.
I do NOT have any letro. I have adex and nolva… took .25 mg adex today, and 20 mg nolva.
I’m thinking about ordering some Letro from that ONE place… because I heard bad things when you think INNovatively, lately after the bust.
Any thing I can do in the mean time?[/quote]
In the mean time, keep on the a-dex and I’d stay on the nolva too.
Here is your Letro protocol for reversing that gyno:
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2356081
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **
*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.
** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. It’s recommended that people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone.
Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.
Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
Hope this helps.
[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
As far as upping the calories goes… I listened…
I took a new gallon of 2% milk, mixed in some hershey’s chocolate syrup (for kicks) and 10 scoops of whey protein.
Total calories for the whole gallon, including whey added
3380 calories, 328 grams of protein.
My goal is to drink this within 24 hours of making it last night… so that gives me 2 hours… I’m over halfway done…
If I manage this I’ll be at over 6500 calories for the day, and 400+ grams of protein…
And facko, thanks for the info. My most recent “Most muscular” wasn’t the correct pose-I know, but I did it like that so I could compare side by side with my starting photo. If you go back 2 pages, there is a most muscular pose i believe i did correctly… except my chest isn’t flexed right. check that one out and see what you think. And I’ll look at prisoner’s.
If you’re taking in 6,500 calories and only 400 grams of protein, you gotta be taking in a ton of carbs or more fat than you need to. You should be taking in 400 grams of protein at the 4k calories you were already taking in. If you’re gonna take in that many calories, make more of it protein. What are you gonna do on a 2,000 calorie cutting diet, only take in 125 grams of protein?
Like I said, I go by 10% of my calories is how many grams I go for in protein, nay, reach in protein, which in turn makes protein equivalent to 40% of my total calories. So in this case, 6,500 calories would ensue that I take in 650 grams of protein. Besides, whatever your body doesn’t use in that protein, it will simply burn. Why cut yourself short?
Those last 3,000 calories that you took in after that gallon of milk, you only took in roughly 100 grams of protein? What did you eat? That number of grams IMO should be triple.
In short, look at your diet and see what you have too much of, either being carbs or fat, and find a way to take that excess and put it into protein intake. This alone could greatly increase your gains.
Also, are you feeling burned out at all? If not, I’d say increase some sort of parameter of your workout regime. My vote would be frequency, but you could do volume or intensity as well as other things. Super-setting different body parts along side each other throughout a workout is my favorite thing to do. Gets helluva use outta your time at the gym.
Did you ever post your supplementation regime? I’d like to see it if so.
Why don’t we set a goal here? Say 30 lbs of LBM by the end of the cycle? That’s my goal and I even have a lot more playing against me. Did you ever set a goal for your cycle? I’ve found that having distinct goals will make me push myself harder. And if you happen to hit that goal, go for 35 lbs, etc, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.
You are on steroids, after all. Make the most of it because you won’t be able to do this again for a while.
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ok…
Excess protein will be turned to glucose and either burned or stored as fat - like everything else.
Also, 400g of protein a day for a 190lb lad, is plenty - more protein doesnt ALWAYS mean more muscle. After all… fat is stored as fat, but protein isnt ‘stored’ in the body, it makes other tissues, but isnt stored… once there is enough ingested, the rest is wasted.
For many, carbs are the secret to anabolism… get the protein in at the correct amount (somewhere between 1-2g/lb), and then carbs are going to fuel the furnace.
Carbs stimulate the secretion of insulin, THE anabolic hormone. Carbs increase the utilisation of protein, they provide energy, SPARING proteins… he isnt getting fat… so why would he need to cut carbs?
I see where you are coming from though BDE, 40% protein is a good amount. But 30% is fine too especially with such a massively high calorie intake. And especially for a skinny-mini lad like this, who obviously doesnt get fat wih any sort of ease.
KVA - not to be a twat, but i really am struggling to see much difference in your shots.
It seems that the gains are not “exploding on” but “creeping on”… think about it like this -
IF you had no anabolics, but decided to train as hard as you are now, eat as much and as well as you do now and focus your whole life around training - as you are now, then do you think those gains may have been attainable?
I do.
And i had a quick look at your arm workout… you did 17 sets for triceps.
I think you would do well to drop the volume, and increase the frequency… in fact, i think that that alone would be the key in making you “blow up” - you would be stiulating the muscle to grow more times a week… not doing endless sets stripping the muscle down, and essentially wasting energy… buring calors and catabolising muscle for the sake of it.
Less is more sometimes. Your arms dont grow, and you do double the normal amount of volume… your legs are looking good, and i am willing to bet your quads dont get 17 sets do they?
Frequency is a big, big variable IMHO… if you did a 3 day split over 6 days (whole body 2x/wk) or a 2 day split over 6 days (whole body 3x/wk) you could get 12-25 sets in per bodypart, but with each workout still only amounting to 30 sets (~90mins), and have the volume split over the week for recuperative purposes.
This works very well IME.
Like your motivation though, this is a learning curve, and while this cycle wont be your best by far - it is necessary to allow you to learn what NOT to do in the future.
What does and doesnt work for yo - for example, it seems that extremely high volume workouts are not the way to go for you… and as an ecto base structure - that is actually true to form.
BB is all about trying things out and seeing what works for you after all.
Thats the main reason why those who have been doing it the longest are USUALLY (attitude non-withstanding) respected for their views and opinions.
Hope this doesnt come across as flame-ish, but constructive criticism.
JJ
[quote] Brook wrote:
BestDaddyEver wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
As far as upping the calories goes… I listened…
I took a new gallon of 2% milk, mixed in some hershey’s chocolate syrup (for kicks) and 10 scoops of whey protein.
Total calories for the whole gallon, including whey added
3380 calories, 328 grams of protein.
My goal is to drink this within 24 hours of making it last night… so that gives me 2 hours… I’m over halfway done…
If I manage this I’ll be at over 6500 calories for the day, and 400+ grams of protein…
And facko, thanks for the info. My most recent “Most muscular” wasn’t the correct pose-I know, but I did it like that so I could compare side by side with my starting photo. If you go back 2 pages, there is a most muscular pose i believe i did correctly… except my chest isn’t flexed right. check that one out and see what you think. And I’ll look at prisoner’s.
If you’re taking in 6,500 calories and only 400 grams of protein, you gotta be taking in a ton of carbs or more fat than you need to. You should be taking in 400 grams of protein at the 4k calories you were already taking in. If you’re gonna take in that many calories, make more of it protein. What are you gonna do on a 2,000 calorie cutting diet, only take in 125 grams of protein?
Like I said, I go by 10% of my calories is how many grams I go for in protein, nay, reach in protein, which in turn makes protein equivalent to 40% of my total calories. So in this case, 6,500 calories would ensue that I take in 650 grams of protein. Besides, whatever your body doesn’t use in that protein, it will simply burn. Why cut yourself short?
Those last 3,000 calories that you took in after that gallon of milk, you only took in roughly 100 grams of protein? What did you eat? That number of grams IMO should be triple.
In short, look at your diet and see what you have too much of, either being carbs or fat, and find a way to take that excess and put it into protein intake. This alone could greatly increase your gains.
Also, are you feeling burned out at all? If not, I’d say increase some sort of parameter of your workout regime. My vote would be frequency, but you could do volume or intensity as well as other things. Super-setting different body parts along side each other throughout a workout is my favorite thing to do. Gets helluva use outta your time at the gym.
Did you ever post your supplementation regime? I’d like to see it if so.
Why don’t we set a goal here? Say 30 lbs of LBM by the end of the cycle? That’s my goal and I even have a lot more playing against me. Did you ever set a goal for your cycle? I’ve found that having distinct goals will make me push myself harder. And if you happen to hit that goal, go for 35 lbs, etc, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.
You are on steroids, after all. Make the most of it because you won’t be able to do this again for a while.
ok…
Excess protein will be turned to glucose and either burned or stored as fat - like everything else.
Also, 400g of protein a day for a 190lb lad, is plenty - more protein doesnt ALWAYS mean more muscle. After all… fat is stored as fat, but protein isnt ‘stored’ in the body, it makes other tissues, but isnt stored… once there is enough ingested, the rest is wasted.
For many, carbs are the secret to anabolism… get the protein in at the correct amount (somewhere between 1-2g/lb), and then carbs are going to fuel the furnace.
Carbs stimulate the secretion of insulin, THE anabolic hormone. Carbs increase the utilisation of protein, they provide energy, SPARING proteins… he isnt getting fat… so why would he need to cut carbs?
I see where you are coming from though BDE, 40% protein is a good amount. But 30% is fine too especially with such a massively high calorie intake. And especially for a skinny-mini lad like this, who obviously doesnt get fat wih any sort of ease.
KVA - not to be a twat, but i really am struggling to see much difference in your shots.
It seems that the gains are not “exploding on” but “creeping on”… think about it like this -
IF you had no anabolics, but decided to train as hard as you are now, eat as much and as well as you do now and focus your whole life around training - as you are now, then do you think those gains may have been attainable?
I do.
And i had a quick look at your arm workout… you did 17 sets for triceps.
I think you would do well to drop the volume, and increase the frequency… in fact, i think that that alone would be the key in making you “blow up” - you would be stiulating the muscle to grow more times a week… not doing endless sets stripping the muscle down, and essentially wasting energy… buring calors and catabolising muscle for the sake of it.
Less is more sometimes. Your arms dont grow, and you do double the normal amount of volume… your legs are looking good, and i am willing to bet your quads dont get 17 sets do they?
Frequency is a big, big variable IMHO… if you did a 3 day split over 6 days (whole body 2x/wk) or a 2 day split over 6 days (whole body 3x/wk) you could get 12-25 sets in per bodypart, but with each workout still only amounting to 30 sets (~90mins), and have the volume split over the week for recuperative purposes.
This works very well IME.
Like your motivation though, this is a learning curve, and while this cycle wont be your best by far - it is necessary to allow you to learn what NOT to do in the future.
What does and doesnt work for yo - for example, it seems that extremely high volume workouts are not the way to go for you… and as an ecto base structure - that is actually true to form.
BB is all about trying things out and seeing what works for you after all.
Thats the main reason why those who have been doing it the longest are USUALLY (attitude non-withstanding) respected for their views and opinions.
Hope this doesnt come across as flame-ish, but constructive criticism.
JJ[/quote]
I totally do not have any problem with your regime either, but just out of curiosity, what’s your macronutrient ratio? Mine’s 40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fat.
Day (40)
Weight (196.2) +21.2 lbs
Back/Biceps
Hammer Strength Wide Lat Pulldown
180x10, 230x10, 270x8
Cable Rows
120x10, 130x7, 140x7, 150x7
1 -Arm Row
85x8, 85x6
Preacher Curls
85x10, 90x8, 95x5
Standing DB Curls
35x8, 35x6
Hammer Curls
30x10, 25x10, 25x8
Looks like the milk/protein idea is helping! This was my second day of trying out a new split routine… here it is
Day 1: Chest/Triceps
Day 2: Back/Biceps
Day 3: Delts/Traps/Legs
Day 4: Chest/Triceps
Day 5: Back/Biceps
Day 6: Delts/Traps/Legs
Yesterday was a good workout too, but today my weight jumped quite a bit!
Thanks again for the continued advice you guys are giving me, it’s really been a big help.
Also, I got the gyno stopped… at least… it’s not getting bigger, not sore anymore, but still there. No Letro 
I overdid it wtih nolva/arimidex… I took .5 mg ED for 2 days in a row, and 20 mg nolva 2 days in a row… about 48 hours after my first dose… I looked like shit… maybe it was just me… but I felt sick, my face looked pale and sunken in… my muscles looked smaller… it was like I had no mass to me… it was horrible lol… now I dropped it to .25 mg E3D, 10 mg nolva ED.
SOOO CLOSE TO 200!! I CAN TASTE IT!!
Oh, and I got my bodyfat tested… 9.2%… that’s down 1%. Assuming the handheld reader is correct… I have gained 21.2 lbs, and lost 1% bodyfat… so I have gone from 157.5 LBM to ~181 LBM… about 23.5 lbs of muscle added in 40 days. Outstanding, IMO.
Forgot to add, I am dropping the volume per workout, and upping the frequency (hence the 9 sets for back today, and hitting it twice a week)
Should I drop my weight too? I’m pushing to new weight amounts every day now, should I slow my rate of increase down to accomadate the increased frequency… or will the reduced sets and reps be enough?
I mean, for cable rows, I hit 150x7 today… which is a PR for me (my cable row machine at the gym is really weird, I could do 180x8 2 weeks ago on a diff gym’s cable row…)
are the titties gone?
[quote]kayveeay wrote:
Day (40)
Weight (196.2) +21.2 lbs
SOOO CLOSE TO 200!! I CAN TASTE IT!!
Oh, and I got my bodyfat tested… 9.2%… that’s down 1%. Assuming the handheld reader is correct… I have gained 21.2 lbs, and lost 1% bodyfat… so I have gone from 157.5 LBM to ~181 LBM… about 23.5 lbs of muscle added in 40 days. Outstanding, IMO. [/quote]
Don’t forget, some of this weight is in the form of water in and around the muscle tissues. You will probably lose most of the water after your cycle. You will hopefully be able to keep the muscle!
Good gains so far!
I’m thinking of buying some injectable B12 from synthetek.
Opinions regarding my use of it?
[quote]kayveeay wrote:
I’m thinking of buying some injectable B12 from synthetek.
Opinions regarding my use of it?[/quote]
Retailboy swears by it in the “Appetite Stimulant” topic. But I guess you already knew that.