So… OP, what are the total gains so far?
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Focus on getting more cals and protein as you still arent getting enough.
Sure you have made some gains, however for a first cycle and being rather small to begin with the gains have not been near good as they should of been if you had been consuming enough calories.
Hopefully this doesnt sound too harsh, however most seem to be complementing these gains you are making and only one other guy other than myself feel that you could be doing much better.
Lastly surely do not move your deads to the end of your back work out. If you want to have more power for your other back moves then schedule yourself into the gym for 25-30 mins for just deadlifts. Not interfering with the rest of your work out.[/quote]
I hope that I’m that other person. I want to see what happens post-cycle as well.
Again with the deadlifts. That is the most strenuous exercise that your back will endure. If you get good at deads, your back will not give out on any other exercise. My legs give out before my back does on squats, my biceps and lats on rows, etc. That’s why we keep them at the beginning of the workout: so that we get them stronger to get the other lifts stronger.
I’m with BDE.
Deadlifts have strengthened my back tremendously. I can squat and row heavy and my back won’t feel a thing.
Infact, i devote my Saturday’s workout only to deadlifts. That way, I’m fresh, rested and full of energy.
Hey man…you look great no lie…but just a word of advice on the posing. Your most muscular isn’t that great. Look at prisoners avatar of him posing his most muscular …see how hes bending down and bringing his arms up and flexing his traps…it really shows the thickness of his traps…his chest…and his arms. You are making great progress…just trying to help a brotha out.
Day (34)
Weight (192.2) +17.2 lbs
Arms
Started with Triceps today
OVH DB Extension
55x12, 60x10, 65x8, 70x8
Skull Crushers… still can’t get the hang of these
60x12, 70x12
1 Arm OVH DB Ext
15x12, 20x10
DB Skull Crushers
20x10, 25x10
HammerStrength Seated Dip
180x12, 180x10, 180x10
Rope Pushdown
70x12, 70x12
Bar Pushdown
65x10, 65x10
Standing DB Curl
35x12, 40x8, 45x6
Preacher Curl
80x12, 85x10, 90x8
Hammer Curls
30x10, 30x10
Incline Hammer Curls
30x10
Rear Forearm Curls With Barbell
95x10, 105x10, 95x10
Arms measured 16" on dot post workout today
I think this was a pretty good workout despite being sick and feeling like shit.
As far as upping the calories goes… I listened…
I took a new gallon of 2% milk, mixed in some hershey’s chocolate syrup (for kicks) and 10 scoops of whey protein.
Total calories for the whole gallon, including whey added
3380 calories, 328 grams of protein.
My goal is to drink this within 24 hours of making it last night… so that gives me 2 hours… I’m over halfway done…
If I manage this I’ll be at over 6500 calories for the day, and 400+ grams of protein…
And facko, thanks for the info. My most recent “Most muscular” wasn’t the correct pose-I know, but I did it like that so I could compare side by side with my starting photo. If you go back 2 pages, there is a most muscular pose i believe i did correctly… except my chest isn’t flexed right. check that one out and see what you think. And I’ll look at prisoner’s.
[quote]kayveeay wrote:
As far as upping the calories goes… I listened…
I took a new gallon of 2% milk, mixed in some hershey’s chocolate syrup (for kicks) and 10 scoops of whey protein.
Total calories for the whole gallon, including whey added
3380 calories, 328 grams of protein.
My goal is to drink this within 24 hours of making it last night… so that gives me 2 hours… I’m over halfway done…
If I manage this I’ll be at over 6500 calories for the day, and 400+ grams of protein…
And facko, thanks for the info. My most recent “Most muscular” wasn’t the correct pose-I know, but I did it like that so I could compare side by side with my starting photo. If you go back 2 pages, there is a most muscular pose i believe i did correctly… except my chest isn’t flexed right. check that one out and see what you think. And I’ll look at prisoner’s.[/quote]
If you’re taking in 6,500 calories and only 400 grams of protein, you gotta be taking in a ton of carbs or more fat than you need to. You should be taking in 400 grams of protein at the 4k calories you were already taking in. If you’re gonna take in that many calories, make more of it protein. What are you gonna do on a 2,000 calorie cutting diet, only take in 125 grams of protein?
Like I said, I go by 10% of my calories is how many grams I go for in protein, nay, reach in protein, which in turn makes protein equivalent to 40% of my total calories. So in this case, 6,500 calories would ensue that I take in 650 grams of protein. Besides, whatever your body doesn’t use in that protein, it will simply burn. Why cut yourself short?
Those last 3,000 calories that you took in after that gallon of milk, you only took in roughly 100 grams of protein? What did you eat? That number of grams IMO should be triple.
In short, look at your diet and see what you have too much of, either being carbs or fat, and find a way to take that excess and put it into protein intake. This alone could greatly increase your gains.
Also, are you feeling burned out at all? If not, I’d say increase some sort of parameter of your workout regime. My vote would be frequency, but you could do volume or intensity as well as other things. Super-setting different body parts along side each other throughout a workout is my favorite thing to do. Gets helluva use outta your time at the gym.
Did you ever post your supplementation regime? I’d like to see it if so.
Why don’t we set a goal here? Say 30 lbs of LBM by the end of the cycle? That’s my goal and I even have a lot more playing against me. Did you ever set a goal for your cycle? I’ve found that having distinct goals will make me push myself harder. And if you happen to hit that goal, go for 35 lbs, etc, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. 
You are on steroids, after all. Make the most of it because you won’t be able to do this again for a while.
Supplementation Regime:
Fish Oil, 6 caps with each meal
Whey Protein
CLA, 2 caps per meal
White Blood by CL preworkout
That’s it for supps…
I’ll say my goal is 205 at the same bodyfat percentage (10%)
As far as feeling burned out… I’m not sure what you mean…?
I was under the impression that doing a routine like this was over training even on AAS…
What about switching it up and doing 2 workouts on some days?
At first my workout plan was overtraining… now you think I should up the frequency or intensity?
[quote]kayveeay wrote:
Supplementation Regime:
Fish Oil, 6 caps with each meal
Whey Protein
CLA, 2 caps per meal
White Blood by CL preworkout
That’s it for supps…
I’ll say my goal is 205 at the same bodyfat percentage (10%)
As far as feeling burned out… I’m not sure what you mean…?
I was under the impression that doing a routine like this was over training even on AAS…
What about switching it up and doing 2 workouts on some days?
At first my workout plan was overtraining… now you think I should up the frequency or intensity?
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2 workouts in one day? You could, but you could save time by supersetting everything and getting it all done in one workout. What I meant by burned out is overtraining. If you’re not overtraining at this point, then I would suggest upping a parameter or two. If you feel like you couldn’t do too much more in terms of work, then forget about it. The harder you push your body, the more it will grow because it needs to adapt to the stress. Just make sure that you don’t overtrain.
Though my perception of overtraining is different than most because I do a lot of volume and frequency in my regime. The intensity is always maxed out too. The only other person I know of who is similar to me in this sense is Testanabol.
And are you taking any creatine? That would be of great help. And if you’re not taking a high-potency multi, then I highly suggest that as well. The more functions of the body you have covered by nutrition, the more the body can afford to fork over towards building muscle. Also, not everyone takes it, but I liek Beta-Alanine. Great supplement for giving your more endurance for your workouts. The higher the reps you go, the more it helps. It also gives me a tingling feeling in my face, which I personally like. It’s your choice on that though.
As for the white flood, that’s basically an NO powder. Do you really feel like it helps you that much? I’ve noticed that mostly teens and newbies to weightlifting take this more so than vets and more experiences lifters.
[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
Supplementation Regime:
Fish Oil, 6 caps with each meal
Whey Protein
CLA, 2 caps per meal
White Blood by CL preworkout
That’s it for supps…
I’ll say my goal is 205 at the same bodyfat percentage (10%)
As far as feeling burned out… I’m not sure what you mean…?
I was under the impression that doing a routine like this was over training even on AAS…
What about switching it up and doing 2 workouts on some days?
At first my workout plan was overtraining… now you think I should up the frequency or intensity?
2 workouts in one day? You could, but you could save time by supersetting everything and getting it all done in one workout. What I meant by burned out is overtraining. If you’re not overtraining at this point, then I would suggest upping a parameter or two. If you feel like you couldn’t do too much more in terms of work, then forget about it. The harder you push your body, the more it will grow because it needs to adapt to the stress. Just make sure that you don’t overtrain.
Though my perception of overtraining is different than most because I do a lot of volume and frequency in my regime. The intensity is always maxed out too. The only other person I know of who is similar to me in this sense is Testanabol.
And are you taking any creatine? That would be of great help. And if you’re not taking a high-potency multi, then I highly suggest that as well. The more functions of the body you have covered by nutrition, the more the body can afford to fork over towards building muscle. Also, not everyone takes it, but I liek Beta-Alanine. Great supplement for giving your more endurance for your workouts. The higher the reps you go, the more it helps. It also gives me a tingling feeling in my face, which I personally like. It’s your choice on that though.
As for the white flood, that’s basically an NO powder. Do you really feel like it helps you that much? I’ve noticed that mostly teens and newbies to weightlifting take this more so than vets and more experiences lifters.[/quote]
I’m using white BLOOD, not white flood. 2 different compounds… although Blood is a NO product. I feel it helps as a stim… vets may disagree, oh well, works for me.
I am not using creatine. During my PCT I will be using monohydrate at 10-15 grams per day to help maintain mass and hopefully I will see a boost in strength.
As for overtraining, I’m not sure if I am or not. You’ve seen my workout logs… I don’t think I’m overtraining, could be wrong, could be just right.
[quote]kayveeay wrote:
BestDaddyEver wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
Supplementation Regime:
Fish Oil, 6 caps with each meal
Whey Protein
CLA, 2 caps per meal
White Blood by CL preworkout
That’s it for supps…
I’ll say my goal is 205 at the same bodyfat percentage (10%)
As far as feeling burned out… I’m not sure what you mean…?
I was under the impression that doing a routine like this was over training even on AAS…
What about switching it up and doing 2 workouts on some days?
At first my workout plan was overtraining… now you think I should up the frequency or intensity?
2 workouts in one day? You could, but you could save time by supersetting everything and getting it all done in one workout. What I meant by burned out is overtraining. If you’re not overtraining at this point, then I would suggest upping a parameter or two. If you feel like you couldn’t do too much more in terms of work, then forget about it. The harder you push your body, the more it will grow because it needs to adapt to the stress. Just make sure that you don’t overtrain.
Though my perception of overtraining is different than most because I do a lot of volume and frequency in my regime. The intensity is always maxed out too. The only other person I know of who is similar to me in this sense is Testanabol.
And are you taking any creatine? That would be of great help. And if you’re not taking a high-potency multi, then I highly suggest that as well. The more functions of the body you have covered by nutrition, the more the body can afford to fork over towards building muscle. Also, not everyone takes it, but I liek Beta-Alanine. Great supplement for giving your more endurance for your workouts. The higher the reps you go, the more it helps. It also gives me a tingling feeling in my face, which I personally like. It’s your choice on that though.
As for the white flood, that’s basically an NO powder. Do you really feel like it helps you that much? I’ve noticed that mostly teens and newbies to weightlifting take this more so than vets and more experiences lifters.
I’m using white BLOOD, not white flood. 2 different compounds… although Blood is a NO product. I feel it helps as a stim… vets may disagree, oh well, works for me.
I am not using creatine. During my PCT I will be using monohydrate at 10-15 grams per day to help maintain mass and hopefully I will see a boost in strength.
As for overtraining, I’m not sure if I am or not. You’ve seen my workout logs… I don’t think I’m overtraining, could be wrong, could be just right.[/quote]
Haha, sorry. Yeah I’m familiar with the Controlled Labs products, so I thought of White Flood.
Why would you wait to use creatine later instead of now? You’ll build muscle better and gain more strength if you take it now. It’s not like it will lose its effects like people say. I don’t listen to the bullshit about how you need to cycle it. It’s no downregulation of anything, so I am suggesting that you take it now not only so that you get its benefits now, but later as well. And you do know that it takes time to build it up in your system, right?
And I don’t really think it matters if I look at your log because every person is different. I have looked at your log, and I do more volume and frequency than that naturally. It just depends on what your body responds best to. Try upping your training and see what happens. You’ll have to back down anyway once the cycle is over.
creatine takes like 2-4 weeks to load into your system. Keep that in mind, so u know where to start it for the effect.
Isn’t the general consensus on NO products that they generally only produce a psychosomatic effect WRT pump?
At any rate, if it’s helping you work harder then go for it. Unless someone says that it could be detrimental to your workout.
I finished the gallon of milk/protein… Ended up at 458 grams of protein for the day
Am doing the same gallon of milk/10 scoops whey thing again today… will be another 3380 calories.
Trying to eat more protein from foods… as BDE suggested.
Tonight I hit legs and will post a log.
I will probably throw creatine in within the next week or so.
[quote]kayveeay wrote:
I finished the gallon of milk/protein… Ended up at 458 grams of protein for the day
Am doing the same gallon of milk/10 scoops whey thing again today… will be another 3380 calories.
Trying to eat more protein from foods… as BDE suggested.
Tonight I hit legs and will post a log.
I will probably throw creatine in within the next week or so.[/quote]
Sounds good. Just don’t go hog wild on the calories. We wouldn’t want you getting fat, now would we?
[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
I finished the gallon of milk/protein… Ended up at 458 grams of protein for the day
Am doing the same gallon of milk/10 scoops whey thing again today… will be another 3380 calories.
Trying to eat more protein from foods… as BDE suggested.
Tonight I hit legs and will post a log.
I will probably throw creatine in within the next week or so.
Sounds good. Just don’t go hog wild on the calories. We wouldn’t want you getting fat, now would we?[/quote]
LOL, I see where that one was aimed, I think.
So did you man up and inject in the 10 other possible places?
Btw, do you get killer milk farts after drinking so much of that stuff? Especially when combined with protein.
Killer Protein 'n Milk farts
Kay, the gallon of milk/day works wonder. Thats what i always do when im trying to gain weight. I always go with whole milk though. When im feeling good i also add in a dozen eggs on top of that/day. Good progress, glad the cycles going well.
The gallon of whole milk is a great idea and I accredit all of my muscle gains to the holy grail that is the gallon of whole milk, but at his weight, 6,000+ calories is too much.
I’d say he experiment in the 4,000 - 5,000 range and see where that gets him. When I first started weightlifting, I took in a gallon of milk on top of 2 - 3 dozen eggs a day amongst a shit ton of other foods. I was eating the right foods, but too much for the time. Now I can eat that much and gain weight properly.