Kayveeay's Log **UPDATED** 12/27/09

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[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
If your BF% went down, I suggest ramping up the calories a few hundred. 12 lbs in 4 weeks is pretty good, but let’s really see how far you can push it. I read another log and some guy gained 25 lbs in 2 weeks, granted some of that has to be water.

I’d say keep on ramping up the calories until you notice fat gain. You may know what your natural calorie balance is, but I can safely say that you don’t know what your steroid balance for calories is. To be true, your calorie intake is one of the lowest I’ve seen from any log. Bump it up some.

But yeah you look a ton better. I can see a little bit more back thickness and a shitload more width, so that’s good. The back is a tough-ass muscle, especially when it’s on gear. Hit that fucker hard.

What are you doing to combat the acne? I’m almost 23 and I can still get acne is I’m not careful (not that it’s still not uncommon at that age).[/quote]

You’re 23?? Shit, with your username and knowledge… somehow I stereotyped you as some 40-50 year old, lol.

Anyway, for acne, here is my protocol:

  1. Pop the ones I can
  2. Wash my face a couple times a day
  3. Shower twice a day

my face isn’t too bad… my back… ehh I’m just letting it go because it’s not the kind that will leave scars. Besides, I’ve never had acne problems before… so I guess now I just look like a normal teen (acne wise) haha.

Also, I have not been using any anastrozole (adex) because I have no bloating and don’t want to limit my gains.

I haven’t noticed any nipple issues at all

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[quote]kayveeay wrote:
BestDaddyEver wrote:
If your BF% went down, I suggest ramping up the calories a few hundred. 12 lbs in 4 weeks is pretty good, but let’s really see how far you can push it. I read another log and some guy gained 25 lbs in 2 weeks, granted some of that has to be water.

I’d say keep on ramping up the calories until you notice fat gain. You may know what your natural calorie balance is, but I can safely say that you don’t know what your steroid balance for calories is. To be true, your calorie intake is one of the lowest I’ve seen from any log. Bump it up some.

But yeah you look a ton better. I can see a little bit more back thickness and a shitload more width, so that’s good. The back is a tough-ass muscle, especially when it’s on gear. Hit that fucker hard.

What are you doing to combat the acne? I’m almost 23 and I can still get acne is I’m not careful (not that it’s still not uncommon at that age).

You’re 23?? Shit, with your username and knowledge… somehow I stereotyped you as some 40-50 year old, lol.

Anyway, for acne, here is my protocol:

  1. Pop the ones I can
  2. Wash my face a couple times a day
  3. Shower twice a day

my face isn’t too bad… my back… ehh I’m just letting it go because it’s not the kind that will leave scars. Besides, I’ve never had acne problems before… so I guess now I just look like a normal teen (acne wise) haha.

Also, I have not been using any anastrozole (adex) because I have no bloating and don’t want to limit my gains.

I haven’t noticed any nipple issues at all
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Yeah, I got married 2 years ago to my high school sweetheart and have 2 future bodybuilding boys now. But regardless, I’m not 40 or, God forbid, 50?! Do I really come off as that? Several guys here have misjudged me as an old iron-game vet, which I’m not. I’m just a guy who has been reading T-Nation articles for years, absorbed its wisdom and philosophies, and one day decided to click on the forum button, and I accredit a lot of my knowledge from T-Nation.

Anyhow, back to the issue. Yeah, my hormones have taken their toll on me. I do have a slight case of gyno with both tissue build-up as well as constant puffiness unless I pinch them, it’s cold, or use creams, so I possibly am susceptible to further gyno. Plus I will be running quite a bit more gear than you for my first cycle, so I gotta be ready for it.

And acne has been weird with me too. I’ve had it everywhere during my life. I have had acne in pretty much every area possible, including the entire face (even a few on the inside of the ears), back, shoulders, upper arms, lower arms, chest, ass (yes, I’ve had assne), and even a few pimples on my legs and calves. Never into the “severe” level in any place on my body, but up to moderate. As of right now, I only have acne on my right shoulder and a pimple or two on my back and other shoulder, and I rarely get facial acne as long as I keep my face clean. So you know, I just don’t want my face turning into a pizza. Body acne, I can handle, as long as it leaves no scarring.

Not quite sure where this post is going, so I’ll just keep quiet until I have something else to say… :wink:

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[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
If your BF% went down, I suggest ramping up the calories a few hundred. 12 lbs in 4 weeks is pretty good, but let’s really see how far you can push it. I read another log and some guy gained 25 lbs in 2 weeks, granted some of that has to be water.[/quote]

True… and a lot could of been fat. Plus, isn’t there a limit to how much weight you can put on in a time period? Im not talking the “1 lb per week” personal trainer garbage… I mean physically, your body can’t really handle 60 lbs of weight… fat/water/muscle… in a 8 week period, can it? Therefore… 25 lbs in 2 weeks… wouldn’t that be limiting the muscle gains one would see later into the cycle? Just a thought, don’t know a lot on the subject, and it’s late

[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
I’d say keep on ramping up the calories until you notice fat gain. You may know what your natural calorie balance is, but I can safely say that you don’t know what your steroid balance for calories is. To be true, your calorie intake is one of the lowest I’ve seen from any log. Bump it up some.[/quote]

I will raise the calories, but to be honest, it’s hard for me to find food that isn’t extremely lean. I love chicken and steak and I eat a shit ton of it. I eat a ton of pasta too. Chicken parmasean pasta is my fav… and a ton of protein. yogurt too.

[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
But yeah you look a ton better. I can see a little bit more back thickness and a shitload more width, so that’s good. The back is a tough-ass muscle, especially when it’s on gear. Hit that fucker hard.[/quote]

Thanks! It’s hard to tell in the latspread, but when i look in the mirror… it’s amazing how much thicker I look in the upper back/trap area.

Also amazing how these heavy deadlifts have helped my lower back… which has helped my squat!

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I dont agree with the ramping up the calories till you get fat, not at all. You ramp up the calories till you gain weight… if that is no fat but you are gaining - you are lucky, it wont last. If it is a little fat - fine, and if it is too much fat then you cut back a little.

We arent TRYING to make ourselves fat here. We are just prepared for it to happen, and it will regardless to this kid anyway.

As for the amount of calories you are eating - it looks about right to me, i weigh a little more than you off cycle, and i maintain at around 3/3200. I gain at, or around 38/4200.
I lose at 2250 and below.

Brook

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The 25 lbs per 2 weeks gain isn’t static throughout a cycle! No one could maintain that kind of weight gain even if they wanted to. And I highly doubt gaining more weight in the beginning would inhibit gains in the later part of the cycle. Then why would we have kickstarts?

As for lean foods, you do not need to eat everything perfectly lean when bulking. I personally drink at least a gallon of whole milk a day while bulking. I’m old-school like that. But I don’t go off eating icecream. But stuff like hamburgers that may have fat in them, but also a lot of protein, I won’t say no to that while bulking. My rule I keep is that I eat a tenth of the number of calories I take in as grams of protein, i.e. 6,000 calories translates to 600 grams of protein a day.

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[quote] Brook wrote:
I dont agree with the ramping up the calories till you get fat, not at all. You ramp up the calories till you gain weight… if that is no fat but you are gaining - you are lucky, it wont last. If it is a little fat - fine, and if it is too much fat then you cut back a little.

We arent TRYING to make ourselves fat here. We are just prepared for it to happen, and it will regardless to this kid anyway.

As for the amount of calories you are eating - it looks about right to me, i weigh a little more than you off cycle, and i maintain at around 3/3200. I gain at, or around 38/4200.
I lose at 2250 and below.

Brook[/quote]

Woah there, I never said until he gets fat. I said until he notices fat gain. This is, after all, a common process in bodybuilding; finding your optimal amount of calories for building muscle. Yes, you ramp up the calories until you gain weight, but there’s a certain amount of calories that the body can use to put on muscle before it all spills into the fat stores, and that’s between 1 and x amount of calories. Why take in, for sheer example, 500 calories extra when the body can use 800?

What I’m saying is that he could be, as of now, eating a caloric surplus of x - y, y being the amount of calories he could add to his diet to gain the max amount of muscle without gaining a ton of fat. Meaning if he finds what x (optimal caloric surplus) is, then he will gain the optimal amount of weight with minimal fat gain, if any.

To put it into real numbers, KVA is eating what, 3,900 cals a day and has lost body fat in the process of gaining weight? Let’s say that he ramps up the calories by 300 and notices faster muscle gain than before, but no fat gain, then wouldn’t this be more optimal? If he finds that he isn’t gaining any additional muscle from ramping up calories but instead fat, then he can simply move back down to his former amount of calories. And in this process, regardless of whether or not the increase of calories helped him gain more muscle, he will actually learn what his true current caloric sweet-spot is while on steroids, or at least a cycle similar to his.

I hope this helps clarify.

Is it me, or did 2 posts below this one disappear? I don’t see your response anymore, JJ!

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ou make a simple thing sound complicated here - he IS gaining. He doesnt need to increase yet.

If he wasnt gaining, i would totally agree, but he is gaining as a decent rate - any more calories are not likely to build more muscle, they are highly likely to store as adipose at this point IMO.

Of course, to be on the safe side he could eat more and gain fat, and that way he knows he is doing ALL the muscle building possible, but i really think that it wouldnt be a noticeable amount - and he gets more fat to boot.

I personally would stay at that caloric level until he stopped gaining, or it slowed - THEN increase till he was maybe gaining a little fat.

You obviously find it very easy to build muscle and lose fat BDE - a true meso i guess. But if you havent noticed, NONE of the smaller, ecto guys (dexter etc) get ‘fat’ during off-season, as to diet it off would mean loss of gains.
The meso’s and endo’s (preist or coleman) and the more meso/endo guys (heath, greene) can all gain that little bit more or HAVE to gain that little bit more fat, but then have that great muscle sparing ability when it comes to dieting down…

Truthfully though, KVA is too skinny for us to be able to tell his bodytype! So he may have the genetics you do… But i say dont fix what aint broke.

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I guess you’re right for now. Some guys should just be happy that they’re gaining in the beginning, but in due time, my friend, he will learn how to optimize his caloric intake to gain more muscle when there’s the chance too, and without increasing the rate of which fat is deposited; he’ll actually have to learn this later on if he wants to be successful in building muscle as he gets further along the road… unless he’s the meso of all meso’s. I’ve learned it, you’ve learned it; it’s about sucking the marrow when there’s more to suck (within reason).

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[quote] Brook wrote:
Truthfully though, KVA is too skinny for us to be able to tell his bodytype! So he may have the genetics you do… But i say dont fix what aint broke.[/quote]

Ecto.

Runs in family.

:confused:

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My father wasn’t a weightlifter in his younger days, but he said he naturally had a 200 bench… well not completely natural, but he said he weightlifted like maybe a few dozen times his entire time in high school. Then later on as he got older, I watched him bench 235 without having done ANY physical activity in 20+ years, granted he was heavier.

He was a track/CC freak of nature in that he could excel in both, whereas most only excel in one. He had a 10.1 or 10.2 100 yard dash and could easily run 10 miles in under an hour.

Regardless, I’ve seen pictures and he is fairly muscular for being a non-weightlifter, especially the legs, being a runner and all. He weighed 185 he said, and he is lean as hell (probably 6% is my guess) from staying so active. At 6’1", that isn’t too bad of a weight/BF% for not really weightlifting.

And my grandfather was in the county sports hall of fame as well and looked pretty fit from his pics too. I suppose my family is somewhat mesomorph, but there is not too much weightlifting in my background to really prove the theory. I am, however, trying to sew the mesomorph genes into my bloodline so that my family will be a bunch of mesomorphic freaks of nature. :wink:

Are you tanning, KVA? You look a little… tan or red there, bud. Not sure which one it is… :slight_smile:

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And I, It seems, have a knack for being able to tell bodytypes!

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Pics show improvement KVA. Keep hitting it hard man, and heed the calorie advice!

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Why must you tease me with these avatars of yours, DD? That’s my favorite one of yours yet! :smiley:

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[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
Why must you tease me with these avatars of yours, DD? That’s my favorite one of yours yet! :D[/quote]

Wish I had seen this earlier, I changed her again… :frowning:

Oh well, stay tuned, more beauties to cum, er come :slight_smile:

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[quote]xXDevilDogXx wrote:
BestDaddyEver wrote:
Why must you tease me with these avatars of yours, DD? That’s my favorite one of yours yet! :smiley:

Wish I had seen this earlier, I changed her again… :frowning:

Oh well, stay tuned, more beauties to cum, er come :)[/quote]

BDE… where is your avatar? this new one… bothers me.

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[quote]kayveeay wrote:
xXDevilDogXx wrote:
BestDaddyEver wrote:
Why must you tease me with these avatars of yours, DD? That’s my favorite one of yours yet! :smiley:

Wish I had seen this earlier, I changed her again… :frowning:

Oh well, stay tuned, more beauties to cum, er come :slight_smile:

BDE… where is your avatar? this new one… bothers me.[/quote]

This is from Team America: World Police where the actor that is hired by Team America to dress up as a terrorist to infiltrate their ranks. The process to get him like this appeared to be all elaborate, but in the end, it looks like a 7-year-old did the job for him. I found it to be hilarious.

America! FUCK YEAH!

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[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
xXDevilDogXx wrote:
BestDaddyEver wrote:
Why must you tease me with these avatars of yours, DD? That’s my favorite one of yours yet! :smiley:

Wish I had seen this earlier, I changed her again… :frowning:

Oh well, stay tuned, more beauties to cum, er come :slight_smile:

BDE… where is your avatar? this new one… bothers me.

This is from Team America: World Police where the actor that is hired by Team America to dress up as a terrorist to infiltrate their ranks. The process to get him like this appeared to be all elaborate, but in the end, it looks like a 7-year-old did the job for him. I found it to be hilarious.

America! FUCK YEAH![/quote]

I still get a chuckle watching that movie!

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[quote]xXDevilDogXx wrote:
I still get a chuckle watching that movie!
[/quote]

I just came in my pants

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Before cycle back picture…

175 lbs

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~32 days into cycle… back shot

190 lbs