Makes a ton of sense. My doc actually recommends it every time I have a physical and I do it for two weeks and then forget. Sounds like I should be paying more attention.
Thanks!
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Someone I know recently bought Plazma. Think they got the berry flavor. We both tried it, and hated the taste (not of the flavoring, but of the powder) so much that we didn’t even finish the first bottle we’d made and he returned it immediately.
Personally, I can’t afford to spend $70 every few weeks in order to have a good workout. If you take it, awesome, good for you and I hope it helps, but the way I see it, a farmer 100 years ago woke up, went and worked all day without having a preworkout shake to get him through it, and ate 3 meals a day without having protein shakes here and there to make sure he hit his requirements. Granted, his food was of higher quality and less tainted by chemicals and crap, but I really don’t think you “have” to do anything.
It’s definitely a lot easier when you’re young, but I know plenty of guys who skipped breakfast, couldn’t afford even a Walmart protein powder, didn’t eat enough protein and had plenty of processed foods throughout the day, but just lifted hard and stayed consistent, and got bigger and stronger. Mostly farm boy/football player types. Is it optimal? No, but it works.
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I think that’s the thing. The vast majority of us are already off of the optimal train by a fair bit (we eat like shit on occasion, drink too much, don’t sleep, etc) so we try to supplement our way to optimality, which doesn’t really work. If we were 100% dialed in I imagine Plazma might have more of an impact but we need to do other big things better and more consistently way more than we need $35 a week worth of peri-workout nutrition.
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On that note, I just ordered some curcumin…
I think my real problem with it is that it causes me to lose faith in the author. If the author of the program writes a legit program then there should be no need of supplements. I’ve seen several other coaches put their supplement regimen in the articles, but they don’t say they’re necessary to run the program.
It’s more of a pet peeve I guess. I see stuff like that and I’m out.
You just reminded me of the summer that I finally gained weight. My post-workout meal was three Jr Bacon Cheeseburgers from Wendy’s. I ate this most days of the week.
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I feel like I’ve generally gotten this vibe from Wendler. I think he’s mentioned Plazma or something once or twice, but generally says it just takes work. Which I appreciate.
Oh man…I know what I’m getting after work.
I think it was in his RP article, but I can’t remember exactly. It’s definitely in one of his articles on here, but otherwise yeah, he doesn’t bring supplements up, really.
Part of me wonders if there’s a… strong nudge to rep Biotest products when writing programs for the site. But now I’m heading into conspiracy territory.
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That was the feeling I got when I first read that article many years ago. Wendler has never struck me as a big supplement guy, so it just stuck out a bit.
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I do remember him mentioning some supplement increasing the amount of ejaculate he had…or so he thought. I almost feel like it was just vitamin C or something, not anything fancy.
I’ve always been curious if it’d actually work…
EDIT: Just checked - it was ZMA, although he did mention vit. C later in the article. ZMA is actually something I’ve been interested in trying, although I wonder (as always) how much more effective it actually is versus something from a normal store.
I’ve used ZMA for a long time, even for a while when I wasn’t lifting. In my n=1 observation, the only effect I can see is allowing for deeper sleep, which I guess would in turn lead to all the other stated benefits.
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But…did it increase the amount of…you know…
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Off course there is. Biotest is a huge supporter of their product so I have no problem with that. I guess I see it as a responsible suggestion compared to a flat out bold claim. I’ve seen several authors write articles and programs and then throw a supplement regimen in there. You can tell it’s kind of forced into the article. You have to assume someone is going to come into the forum and ask so you might as well put it out there up front and encourage the use of products made by your sponsor.
I don’t receive that the same as I did the Meadows article, though. Telling me that I have to take x product to successfully run a program isn’t far off from telling me I need to be on PED’s for a certain method to work. It might be an exaggeration and untrue, but I just don’t want to listen to you anymore.
I don’t know. I’ve read the same commentary from articles published around the same time by other authors - it’s consistent and on-label across the board… maybe it’s not exactly the author’s words?
He doesn’t even market his own, similar, brand, the same way.
In any case, I’m losing my point. All I’m saying is I like Meadows’ programs a lot.
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Well, to be fair, that reactive pump program started with legs and I just couldn’t bring myself to go any further. 
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And now we wholeheartedly agree!
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Literally wrote about this a month ago. Pretty much how I felt reading the article too. But I still love JM’s stuff.
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I think there might be a misunderstanding on how to encourage the use of Biotest products.
Waste. You won’t reorder.
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Hahahahhaha
Edit: with all due respect!