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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Eielson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Oh, and for the record, 250lbs at 6’4" is like someone of average height at under 200lbs. In other words, THAT ISN’T BIG…

Here is what I don’t understand-

250 (pounds)/76 (inches)= approx. 3.2895
230 (pounds)/70 (inches)= approx. 3.2857

I understand this isn’t a perfect science or anything, but I don’t understand how 6 inches can take away 50-60 pounds from your credit. I understand that it makes you LOOK less impressive but I don’t know why it would make that huge of a difference as far as how hard it was to get there.

I’m not trying to argue, I’m just wondering why.

I would try to argue, depending of course on bf %. 250 pounds at 6’4 and < 10% is a pretty big dude. I’m not talking gigantic but a pretty big dude. No doubt about it. Lou Ferrigno was was 6’5" and 270 in Pumping Iron and I would be bold enough to say he was huge.[/quote]

Why do you assume someone that much smaller can accurately estimate someone’s body weight when they are that much bigger than them? That is very rarely the case.

Also, why do you assume this guy was less than 10% body fat?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Eielson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Oh, and for the record, 250lbs at 6’4" is like someone of average height at under 200lbs. In other words, THAT ISN’T BIG…

Here is what I don’t understand-

250 (pounds)/76 (inches)= approx. 3.2895
230 (pounds)/70 (inches)= approx. 3.2857

I understand this isn’t a perfect science or anything, but I don’t understand how 6 inches can take away 50-60 pounds from your credit. I understand that it makes you LOOK less impressive but I don’t know why it would make that huge of a difference as far as how hard it was to get there.

I’m not trying to argue, I’m just wondering why.

I would try to argue, depending of course on bf %. 250 pounds at 6’4 and < 10% is a pretty big dude. I’m not talking gigantic but a pretty big dude. No doubt about it. Lou Ferrigno was was 6’5" and 270 in Pumping Iron and I would be bold enough to say he was huge.

Why do you assume someone that much smaller can accurately estimate someone’s body weight when they are that much bigger than them? That is very rarely the case.

Also, why do you assume this guy was less than 10% body fat?[/quote]

I’m not assuming anything. You’re assuming this guy is “casual weight” 250 pounds(which could be the case). I clearly pointed out that IF he was sub 10%, than he’s a pretty big guy. Even at “casual” weight (~15%), he’s nothing to scoff at.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Con@n wrote:
I do admit smaller people grossly misguess a larger person’s weight.

If your smaller then what makes up 3% (guess)of the world population, your still big.

Whatever, it’s a small point to argue.

Apparently it isn’t. I don’t consider people that weight that much less than me at a height of 6 inches taller than me to be “big” as it relates to SERIOUS WEIGHT LIFTERS. We are not talking about the casual weekend warrior who will never fill out an XL t-shirt.

Like I said, Lou was about your weight at 7 inches taller. Are you saying he wasn’t a big guy?

Lou was WAY leaner than me at his 270lbs. I am not near contest shape and would doubtfully be near contest shape until I got under 250lbs.

Someone 6’4" is taller than anyone competing in NPC that I can think of, and most of the guys who are over 6’2" COMPETE at over 250lbs which means they are hitting 300 in the off season.

So NO, I do not consider 250lbs of casual weight (if you choose to believe the guy he is speaking of was near contest shape, that is your issue, but I seriously doubt the guy in question was anywhere near 250lbs) at 6’4" is very big.

The average guy in most gyms is not walking around at less than 10% body fat while holding that much weight, yet you think this guy the OP is talking about was almost stage ready?[/quote]

I’m not talking about competition shape, I’m talking < 10% which can be pretty different.

I’m not sure why you refuse to believe this guy was big. If an OP tells me some guy is big I’m going to assume that the guy is big. For whatever reason you’re scoffing at this guy when he could be big (once again depending on bf %).

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Eielson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Oh, and for the record, 250lbs at 6’4" is like someone of average height at under 200lbs. In other words, THAT ISN’T BIG…

Here is what I don’t understand-

250 (pounds)/76 (inches)= approx. 3.2895
230 (pounds)/70 (inches)= approx. 3.2857

I understand this isn’t a perfect science or anything, but I don’t understand how 6 inches can take away 50-60 pounds from your credit. I understand that it makes you LOOK less impressive but I don’t know why it would make that huge of a difference as far as how hard it was to get there.

I’m not trying to argue, I’m just wondering why.

I would try to argue, depending of course on bf %. 250 pounds at 6’4 and < 10% is a pretty big dude. I’m not talking gigantic but a pretty big dude. No doubt about it. Lou Ferrigno was was 6’5" and 270 in Pumping Iron and I would be bold enough to say he was huge.

Why do you assume someone that much smaller can accurately estimate someone’s body weight when they are that much bigger than them? That is very rarely the case.

Also, why do you assume this guy was less than 10% body fat?

I’m not assuming anything. You’re assuming this guy is “casual weight” 250 pounds(which could be the case). I clearly pointed out that IF he was sub 10%, than he’s a pretty big guy. Even at “casual” weight (~15%), he’s nothing to scoff at.
[/quote]

Gee, if he is near contest shape, he may even look huge at less than 230lbs at that height. However, which is more likely, that the OP was speaking to someone who is about to compete…or he simply ran into some casual lifter who is bigger than him?

The guy we are speaking of told him he was big enough. Do you know even ONE competing bodybuilder who is over 250lbs who would say some shit like that?

Yes, Lank, maybe this guy was Phil Heath in disguise…with platform shoes on.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
If an OP tells me some guy is big I’m going to assume that the guy is big. [/quote]

That’s the difference between us. I don’t believe everything someone says simply because they said it. I am going to ask questions and look at the exchange betyween them.

Again, I want you to find even one guy who weighs over 250lbs who appears to be in the shape to compete within a year (which means NOT casual) who would tell someone that they are big enough at only 200lbs at that height and need to diet.

It doesn’t happen.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Eielson wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Oh, and for the record, 250lbs at 6’4" is like someone of average height at under 200lbs. In other words, THAT ISN’T BIG…

Here is what I don’t understand-

250 (pounds)/76 (inches)= approx. 3.2895
230 (pounds)/70 (inches)= approx. 3.2857

I understand this isn’t a perfect science or anything, but I don’t understand how 6 inches can take away 50-60 pounds from your credit. I understand that it makes you LOOK less impressive but I don’t know why it would make that huge of a difference as far as how hard it was to get there.

I’m not trying to argue, I’m just wondering why.

I would try to argue, depending of course on bf %. 250 pounds at 6’4 and < 10% is a pretty big dude. I’m not talking gigantic but a pretty big dude. No doubt about it. Lou Ferrigno was was 6’5" and 270 in Pumping Iron and I would be bold enough to say he was huge.

Why do you assume someone that much smaller can accurately estimate someone’s body weight when they are that much bigger than them? That is very rarely the case.

Also, why do you assume this guy was less than 10% body fat?

I’m not assuming anything. You’re assuming this guy is “casual weight” 250 pounds(which could be the case). I clearly pointed out that IF he was sub 10%, than he’s a pretty big guy. Even at “casual” weight (~15%), he’s nothing to scoff at.

Gee, if he is near contest shape, he may even look huge at less than 230lbs at that height. However, which is more likely, that the OP was speaking to someone who is about to compete…or he simply ran into some casual lifter who is bigger than him?[/quote]

I never mentioned competition. You’re saying 250 pounds at 6’4 is not big. I’m saying it is, depending on bf %.

Once again, I’m not talking about competing bodybuilders. I’m talking about big guys in the gym. And to be honest, I could definitely see some big guys saying some shit like that because everyone wants to remain being the big guy.

Lol, way to exagerate.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
If an OP tells me some guy is big I’m going to assume that the guy is big.

That’s the difference between us. I don’t believe everything someone says simply because they said it. I am going to ask questions and look at the exchange betyween them.

Again, I want you to find even one guy who weighs over 250lbs who appears to be in the shape to compete within a year (which means NOT casual) who would tell someone that they are big enough at only 200lbs at that height and need to diet.

It doesn’t happen.[/quote]

I don’t need to find anyone. Regardless of how uncommon it may be are you really willing to say that it’s impossible? Of all the douchebags working out in all gyms across the world, you’re willing to say there aren’t a few big guys who would say some douchebaggery like this?

Either way, it’s a moot point because we’ll never know. You think there aren’t, I think there are. You say potatoes, I say potatoes. Or, uh, suffice to say we both say it differently.

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[quote]Con@n wrote:
The perspectives you guys are coming from are very much off kilter if you think 250lbs (under 15% bodyfat) isn’t big. I weight 250 @ 6’3 and am generally the biggest person everywhere I go including the gym. That’s no bragging, that’s a fact.

Professor X wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
acelement wrote:

but in the real world, many people get big from genetics or shit-luck. And pass on that shit advice thinking it will work for everyone just because it worked for them.

?

what the fuck? are you kidding me?

you’re right dude. i got huge b/c of shit luck. and genetics. infact, i just look at weights and get huge. keep telling yourself to make you feel better.

you whiny bitch. i wish you were around so i could backhand the shit out of you.

i HATE that every small motherfucker always has to come back to the whole ‘genetics and luck is what made him big’.

stop fucking crying and grow up. hit the weights. no more excuses.

Agreed. I heard this from someone the other day…as if the last decade plus of lifting more regularly than anyone I know isn’t why I look like this…or the fact that I plan my meals in advance and don’t take extended time off. Nope, it must just be genetics.

For the record, HM, you weigh about 230lbs right? At 5’10". The guy he is speaking off weighs a WHOPPING 250 while carrying 6 more inches in height…yet this is the representation of what “big” is now.

I can see why there are so few people on this site who do actually get big themselves. They are too busy trying to tear down other people who have passed up their progress by either belittling their accomplishments (by blaming it all on genetics, drugs or the weather) or acting like their every word should sound like a college physiology lecture. If they say anything that isn’t a direct quote from a Poloquin article, then we get internet threads WARNING newbies to avoid the advice of big guys.

This shit is retarded.

I doubt anyone will have to ever worry about people like this becoming very big themselves. Their search for faults will prevent that.

[/quote]

It’s not that it is not big, it is not as big in bodybuilding circles. My roommate was a 6’8 basketball player who was relatively lean at 250lbs. In his normal clothes he just looked tall.
You consider yourself one of the biggest people wherever you go, and that is your opinion. I don’t doubt it. I’m 6’2 and am generally one of the biggest people wherever I go. If I did not have a ton of additional muscle of my torso which makes me considerably wider than most people, I probably would not stand out though. It’s where the weight is.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I’m saying it is, depending on bf %.
[/quote]

Let me slow it down.

Do I believe this guy is even 250lbs? No.

Do I think he is cruising anywhere near contest shape? NO.

Care to go further? Do you realize how rare it is to see someone who is that much smaller give an accurate estimate of someone’s body weight when they outweigh them by 50lbs?

I can tell people I only weigh 250lbs and they will believe because they don’t have any frame of reference for someone bigger than that.

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[quote]deadlift655 wrote:

It’s not that it is not big, it is not as big in bodybuilding circles. My roommate was a 6’8 basketball player who was relatively lean at 250lbs. In his normal clothes he just looked tall.
You consider yourself one of the biggest people wherever you go, and that is your opinion. I don’t doubt it. I’m 6’2 and am generally one of the biggest people wherever I go. If I did not have a ton of additional muscle of my torso which makes me considerably wider than most people, I probably would not stand out though. It’s where the weight is.[/quote]

Agreed. If we are going off of being the biggest guy in the gym most days, I hit that when I only weighed about 220lbs.

We are not discussing casual weight lifters. We are talking about people who look like BODYBUILDERS IN THE GYM even if they have to diet some weight off to actually hit that look.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Con@n wrote:
I do admit smaller people grossly misguess a larger person’s weight.

If your smaller then what makes up 3% (guess)of the world population, your still big.

Whatever, it’s a small point to argue.

Apparently it isn’t. I don’t consider people that weight that much less than me at a height of 6 inches taller than me to be “big” as it relates to SERIOUS WEIGHT LIFTERS. We are not talking about the casual weekend warrior who will never fill out an XL t-shirt.[/quote]

I have no qualms with that at all, but I’m small right now at 6ft 3in and 220lbs and have to wear xxl…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I can tell people I only weigh 250lbs…[/quote]

LOL… Very subtle.

This is called ‘perspective’.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I’m saying it is, depending on bf %.

Let me slow it down.[/quote]

Thanks for slowing it down. I’m obviously a retard.

[quote]Do I believe this guy is even 250lbs? No.

Do I think he is cruising anywhere near contest shape? NO.[/quote]

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t pick that up multiple posts ago. Must have been the retardation kicking in.

[quote]Care to go further? Do you realize how rare it is to see someone who is that much smaller give an accurate estimate of someone’s body weight when they outweigh them by 50lbs?

I can tell people I only weigh 250lbs and they will believe because they don’t have any frame of reference for someone bigger than that.[/quote]

Alright, now I’m done with the sarcasm. All of this is IRRELEVANT. We’re debating whether or not 250 pounds on 6’4" is big or not. You’re assuming its not. I disagree.

Now that it should be clear what the discussion is about, can I simplify it for you? Or do you care to veer off into another explanation about how you can lie about your weight and no one would know the difference?

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[quote]Free2Be wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Con@n wrote:
I do admit smaller people grossly misguess a larger person’s weight.

If your smaller then what makes up 3% (guess)of the world population, your still big.

Whatever, it’s a small point to argue.

Apparently it isn’t. I don’t consider people that weight that much less than me at a height of 6 inches taller than me to be “big” as it relates to SERIOUS WEIGHT LIFTERS. We are not talking about the casual weekend warrior who will never fill out an XL t-shirt.

I have no qualms with that at all, but I’m small right now at 6ft 3in and 220lbs and have to wear xxl…[/quote]

In what brand? I’m 6’5 and 240+ pounds and I generally wear XL. You’re either wearing your clothes pretty baggy or are wearing the designer type shirts that are usually 2 sizes smaller than regular sizes.

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prof x time travelled …again

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I’m saying it is, depending on bf %.

Let me slow it down.

Thanks for slowing it down. I’m obviously a retard.

Do I believe this guy is even 250lbs? No.

Do I think he is cruising anywhere near contest shape? NO.

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t pick that up multiple posts ago. Must have been the retardation kicking in.

Care to go further? Do you realize how rare it is to see someone who is that much smaller give an accurate estimate of someone’s body weight when they outweigh them by 50lbs?

I can tell people I only weigh 250lbs and they will believe because they don’t have any frame of reference for someone bigger than that.

Alright, now I’m done with the sarcasm. All of this is IRRELEVANT. We’re debating whether or not 250 pounds on 6’4" is big or not. You’re assuming its not. I disagree.

Now that it should be clear what the discussion is about, can I simplify it for you? Or do you care to veer off into another explanation about how you can lie about your weight and no one would know the difference?[/quote]

Yes, 250lbs is big…to most people. Most people are NOT trying to look like really big bodybuilders so their opinion is IRRELEVANT. I was “pretty big” before I hit 180lbs according to most people. Guess what…they were wrong.

If we are talking about “big guys to get advice from” I would assume we are discussing NON casual lifters who have the goal of being really big and really strong. No, I do not consider 250lbs at SIX FOOT FOUR (which again is like someone about 5’10" at less than 200lbs) to be that damn big.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

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[quote]Da Vinci wrote:
Professor X wrote:
He also shouldn’t be telling you what your goal should be.

This is what always bothers me the most.[/quote]

Ditto.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I’m saying it is, depending on bf %.

Let me slow it down.

Thanks for slowing it down. I’m obviously a retard.

Do I believe this guy is even 250lbs? No.

Do I think he is cruising anywhere near contest shape? NO.

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t pick that up multiple posts ago. Must have been the retardation kicking in.

Care to go further? Do you realize how rare it is to see someone who is that much smaller give an accurate estimate of someone’s body weight when they outweigh them by 50lbs?

I can tell people I only weigh 250lbs and they will believe because they don’t have any frame of reference for someone bigger than that.

Alright, now I’m done with the sarcasm. All of this is IRRELEVANT. We’re debating whether or not 250 pounds on 6’4" is big or not. You’re assuming its not. I disagree.

Now that it should be clear what the discussion is about, can I simplify it for you? Or do you care to veer off into another explanation about how you can lie about your weight and no one would know the difference?

Yes, 250lbs is big…to most people. Most people are NOT trying to look like really big bodybuilders so their opinion is IRRELEVANT. I was “pretty big” before I hit 180lbs according to most people. Guess what…they were wrong.

If we are talking about “big guys to get advice from” I would assume we are discussing NON casual lifters who have the goal of being really big and really strong. No, I do not consider 250lbs at SIX FOOT FOUR (which again is like someone about 5’10" at less than 200lbs) to be that damn big.

Sorry if that offends anyone.[/quote]

A valid opinion. I think it’s big, albeit not huge. I don’t know if you buy into the whole pound per inch thing, but here’s some food for thought:

200 pounds / 70 inches = 2.8571 pounds per inch
250 pounds / 76 inches = 3.2894 pounds per inch

So in my opinion, the 250 pound taller guy is a good bit bigger than the 200 pound shorter guy, even with height taken into consideration.

Edit: I know these types of measurements are never an exact science or anything, but I think they serve as a good rough guideline. Which, without knowing any person involved in what we’re debating, is all we have to use.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I’m saying it is, depending on bf %.

Let me slow it down.

Thanks for slowing it down. I’m obviously a retard.

Do I believe this guy is even 250lbs? No.

Do I think he is cruising anywhere near contest shape? NO.

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t pick that up multiple posts ago. Must have been the retardation kicking in.

Care to go further? Do you realize how rare it is to see someone who is that much smaller give an accurate estimate of someone’s body weight when they outweigh them by 50lbs?

I can tell people I only weigh 250lbs and they will believe because they don’t have any frame of reference for someone bigger than that.

Alright, now I’m done with the sarcasm. All of this is IRRELEVANT. We’re debating whether or not 250 pounds on 6’4" is big or not. You’re assuming its not. I disagree.

Now that it should be clear what the discussion is about, can I simplify it for you? Or do you care to veer off into another explanation about how you can lie about your weight and no one would know the difference?

Yes, 250lbs is big…to most people. Most people are NOT trying to look like really big bodybuilders so their opinion is IRRELEVANT. I was “pretty big” before I hit 180lbs according to most people. Guess what…they were wrong.

If we are talking about “big guys to get advice from” I would assume we are discussing NON casual lifters who have the goal of being really big and really strong. No, I do not consider 250lbs at SIX FOOT FOUR (which again is like someone about 5’10" at less than 200lbs) to be that damn big.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

A valid opinion. I think it’s big, albeit not huge. I don’t know if you buy into the whole pound per inch thing, but here’s some food for thought:

200 pounds / 70 inches = 2.8571 pounds per inch
250 pounds / 76 inches = 3.2894 pounds per inch

So in my opinion, the 250 pound taller guy is a good bit bigger than the 200 pound shorter guy, even with height taken into consideration.[/quote]

By .4lbs per inch? Gee, HUGE difference.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I’m saying it is, depending on bf %.

Let me slow it down.

Thanks for slowing it down. I’m obviously a retard.

Do I believe this guy is even 250lbs? No.

Do I think he is cruising anywhere near contest shape? NO.

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t pick that up multiple posts ago. Must have been the retardation kicking in.

Care to go further? Do you realize how rare it is to see someone who is that much smaller give an accurate estimate of someone’s body weight when they outweigh them by 50lbs?

I can tell people I only weigh 250lbs and they will believe because they don’t have any frame of reference for someone bigger than that.

Alright, now I’m done with the sarcasm. All of this is IRRELEVANT. We’re debating whether or not 250 pounds on 6’4" is big or not. You’re assuming its not. I disagree.

Now that it should be clear what the discussion is about, can I simplify it for you? Or do you care to veer off into another explanation about how you can lie about your weight and no one would know the difference?

Yes, 250lbs is big…to most people. Most people are NOT trying to look like really big bodybuilders so their opinion is IRRELEVANT. I was “pretty big” before I hit 180lbs according to most people. Guess what…they were wrong.

If we are talking about “big guys to get advice from” I would assume we are discussing NON casual lifters who have the goal of being really big and really strong. No, I do not consider 250lbs at SIX FOOT FOUR (which again is like someone about 5’10" at less than 200lbs) to be that damn big.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

A valid opinion. I think it’s big, albeit not huge. I don’t know if you buy into the whole pound per inch thing, but here’s some food for thought:

200 pounds / 70 inches = 2.8571 pounds per inch
250 pounds / 76 inches = 3.2894 pounds per inch

So in my opinion, the 250 pound taller guy is a good bit bigger than the 200 pound shorter guy, even with height taken into consideration.

By .4lbs per inch? Gee, HUGE difference.[/quote]

Those .4 pounds per inch would make the 5’10" guy 230 pounds (the same size as Holymac, go figure). Like I said, nothing to scoff at.