Just Because You're Bigger....

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Free2Be wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Con@n wrote:
I do admit smaller people grossly misguess a larger person’s weight.

If your smaller then what makes up 3% (guess)of the world population, your still big.

Whatever, it’s a small point to argue.

Apparently it isn’t. I don’t consider people that weight that much less than me at a height of 6 inches taller than me to be “big” as it relates to SERIOUS WEIGHT LIFTERS. We are not talking about the casual weekend warrior who will never fill out an XL t-shirt.

I have no qualms with that at all, but I’m small right now at 6ft 3in and 220lbs and have to wear xxl…

In what brand? I’m 6’5 and 240+ pounds and I generally wear XL. You’re either wearing your clothes pretty baggy or are wearing the designer type shirts that are usually 2 sizes smaller than regular sizes.
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You only wear a xl at 6’5 and 240 lbs? I find that hard to believe. If I wear a xxl, it fits somewhat tight, but on a short sleeve shirt, the sleeves only go down to mid bicep. I usually wear a 3x, which does not make me look like I’m wearing a little kids shirt. I’m not trying to insult you, I just cant see someone at your height only wearing a xl.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I’m saying it is, depending on bf %.

Let me slow it down.

Thanks for slowing it down. I’m obviously a retard.

Do I believe this guy is even 250lbs? No.

Do I think he is cruising anywhere near contest shape? NO.

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t pick that up multiple posts ago. Must have been the retardation kicking in.

Care to go further? Do you realize how rare it is to see someone who is that much smaller give an accurate estimate of someone’s body weight when they outweigh them by 50lbs?

I can tell people I only weigh 250lbs and they will believe because they don’t have any frame of reference for someone bigger than that.

Alright, now I’m done with the sarcasm. All of this is IRRELEVANT. We’re debating whether or not 250 pounds on 6’4" is big or not. You’re assuming its not. I disagree.

Now that it should be clear what the discussion is about, can I simplify it for you? Or do you care to veer off into another explanation about how you can lie about your weight and no one would know the difference?

Yes, 250lbs is big…to most people. Most people are NOT trying to look like really big bodybuilders so their opinion is IRRELEVANT. I was “pretty big” before I hit 180lbs according to most people. Guess what…they were wrong.

If we are talking about “big guys to get advice from” I would assume we are discussing NON casual lifters who have the goal of being really big and really strong. No, I do not consider 250lbs at SIX FOOT FOUR (which again is like someone about 5’10" at less than 200lbs) to be that damn big.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

A valid opinion. I think it’s big, albeit not huge. I don’t know if you buy into the whole pound per inch thing, but here’s some food for thought:

200 pounds / 70 inches = 2.8571 pounds per inch
250 pounds / 76 inches = 3.2894 pounds per inch

So in my opinion, the 250 pound taller guy is a good bit bigger than the 200 pound shorter guy, even with height taken into consideration.

By .4lbs per inch? Gee, HUGE difference.

Those .4 pounds per inch would make the 5’10" guy 230 pounds (the same size as Holymac, go figure). Like I said, nothing to scoff at.[/quote]

Did you miss the interaction between us earlier? This guy is SIX INCHES TALLER THAN HOLYMAC yet only 20lbs heavier. Yet you think that’s big enough to warrant warning newbies about speaking to big bodybuilders?

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

A valid opinion. I think it’s big, albeit not huge. I don’t know if you buy into the whole pound per inch thing, but here’s some food for thought:

200 pounds / 70 inches = 2.8571 pounds per inch
250 pounds / 76 inches = 3.2894 pounds per inch

So in my opinion, the 250 pound taller guy is a good bit bigger than the 200 pound shorter guy, even with height taken into consideration.

Edit: I know these types of measurements are never an exact science or anything, but I think they serve as a good rough guideline. Which, without knowing any person involved in what we’re debating, is all we have to use.[/quote]

Your not comparing the mass of solid cylindrical objects so this ratio isn’t even useful as a rough guideline. Just by experience, I’d think we’d all know that 230 lbs at 5’10 is MUCH bigger than 250 lbs at 6’4 (assuming bf % is equal).

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I’m saying it is, depending on bf %.

Let me slow it down.

Thanks for slowing it down. I’m obviously a retard.

Do I believe this guy is even 250lbs? No.

Do I think he is cruising anywhere near contest shape? NO.

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t pick that up multiple posts ago. Must have been the retardation kicking in.

Care to go further? Do you realize how rare it is to see someone who is that much smaller give an accurate estimate of someone’s body weight when they outweigh them by 50lbs?

I can tell people I only weigh 250lbs and they will believe because they don’t have any frame of reference for someone bigger than that.

Alright, now I’m done with the sarcasm. All of this is IRRELEVANT. We’re debating whether or not 250 pounds on 6’4" is big or not. You’re assuming its not. I disagree.

Now that it should be clear what the discussion is about, can I simplify it for you? Or do you care to veer off into another explanation about how you can lie about your weight and no one would know the difference?

Yes, 250lbs is big…to most people. Most people are NOT trying to look like really big bodybuilders so their opinion is IRRELEVANT. I was “pretty big” before I hit 180lbs according to most people. Guess what…they were wrong.

If we are talking about “big guys to get advice from” I would assume we are discussing NON casual lifters who have the goal of being really big and really strong. No, I do not consider 250lbs at SIX FOOT FOUR (which again is like someone about 5’10" at less than 200lbs) to be that damn big.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

A valid opinion. I think it’s big, albeit not huge. I don’t know if you buy into the whole pound per inch thing, but here’s some food for thought:

200 pounds / 70 inches = 2.8571 pounds per inch
250 pounds / 76 inches = 3.2894 pounds per inch

So in my opinion, the 250 pound taller guy is a good bit bigger than the 200 pound shorter guy, even with height taken into consideration.

By .4lbs per inch? Gee, HUGE difference.

Those .4 pounds per inch would make the 5’10" guy 230 pounds (the same size as Holymac, go figure). Like I said, nothing to scoff at.

Did you miss the interaction between us earlier? This guy is SIX INCHES TALLER THAN HOLYMAC yet only 20lbs heavier. Yet you think that’s big enough to warrant warning newbies about speaking to big bodybuilders?[/quote]

I’m starting to believe either you can’t admit when anyone has a valid point or you’re just incapable of following along in a discussion.

I simply pointed out that if a 5’10" guy was sporting the 3.2894 pounds of muscle per inch like the 6’4" guy was, he’d be the same size as holymac. It’s up to you whether or not you buy into that whole pounds per inch philosophy. Just don’t act like an extra .4 pounds/inch is not a big deal when it is.

My argument, my ONLY argument throughout this entire thread is that a 250 pound 6’4" guy (at a good bf %) is nothing to scoff at, which you have repeatedly done. That’s fine, no problem. But when I’m making a logical argument (read above) you simply veer off onto a tangent that doesn’t have much to do with what I’m talking about.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:

A valid opinion. I think it’s big, albeit not huge. I don’t know if you buy into the whole pound per inch thing, but here’s some food for thought:

200 pounds / 70 inches = 2.8571 pounds per inch
250 pounds / 76 inches = 3.2894 pounds per inch

So in my opinion, the 250 pound taller guy is a good bit bigger than the 200 pound shorter guy, even with height taken into consideration.

Edit: I know these types of measurements are never an exact science or anything, but I think they serve as a good rough guideline. Which, without knowing any person involved in what we’re debating, is all we have to use.

Your not comparing the mass of solid cylindrical objects so this ratio isn’t even useful as a rough guideline. Just by experience, I’d think we’d all know that 230 lbs at 5’10 is MUCH bigger than 250 lbs at 6’4 (assuming bf % is equal).[/quote]

I’d say bigger, not MUCH bigger. That’s why it’s only a rough guideline. Agree to disagree.

Btw, next time don’t use so many big words, my retardation kicks in and I can’t comprehend. :wink:

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I’m saying it is, depending on bf %.

Let me slow it down.

Thanks for slowing it down. I’m obviously a retard.

Do I believe this guy is even 250lbs? No.

Do I think he is cruising anywhere near contest shape? NO.

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t pick that up multiple posts ago. Must have been the retardation kicking in.

Care to go further? Do you realize how rare it is to see someone who is that much smaller give an accurate estimate of someone’s body weight when they outweigh them by 50lbs?

I can tell people I only weigh 250lbs and they will believe because they don’t have any frame of reference for someone bigger than that.

Alright, now I’m done with the sarcasm. All of this is IRRELEVANT. We’re debating whether or not 250 pounds on 6’4" is big or not. You’re assuming its not. I disagree.

Now that it should be clear what the discussion is about, can I simplify it for you? Or do you care to veer off into another explanation about how you can lie about your weight and no one would know the difference?

Yes, 250lbs is big…to most people. Most people are NOT trying to look like really big bodybuilders so their opinion is IRRELEVANT. I was “pretty big” before I hit 180lbs according to most people. Guess what…they were wrong.

If we are talking about “big guys to get advice from” I would assume we are discussing NON casual lifters who have the goal of being really big and really strong. No, I do not consider 250lbs at SIX FOOT FOUR (which again is like someone about 5’10" at less than 200lbs) to be that damn big.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

A valid opinion. I think it’s big, albeit not huge. I don’t know if you buy into the whole pound per inch thing, but here’s some food for thought:

200 pounds / 70 inches = 2.8571 pounds per inch
250 pounds / 76 inches = 3.2894 pounds per inch

So in my opinion, the 250 pound taller guy is a good bit bigger than the 200 pound shorter guy, even with height taken into consideration.

By .4lbs per inch? Gee, HUGE difference.

Those .4 pounds per inch would make the 5’10" guy 230 pounds (the same size as Holymac, go figure). Like I said, nothing to scoff at.

Did you miss the interaction between us earlier? This guy is SIX INCHES TALLER THAN HOLYMAC yet only 20lbs heavier. Yet you think that’s big enough to warrant warning newbies about speaking to big bodybuilders?

I’m starting to believe either you can’t admit when anyone has a valid point or you’re just incapable of following along in a discussion.[/quote]

We disagreed on the original assumption, that the OP is even correct about what he observed. I seriously doubt it and keep stating as much. But yes, if we are going by calculations, someone the size of Holymac would be similar to someone at the height of 6’4" at 250lbs.

I have rarely seen real life work out like a math problem because there are too many factors involved. That is why RANGES are given and not specific calculations of what someone could look like at a different height and weight.

That is why the range of 5-10lbs is given when these discussions pop up.

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I’m 6’4 and trying to get down to 250 and I won’t look much like a BB. I’m at around 300lbs right now…and I don’t look anything like 300lbs…If you are a tall guy bb is rough…I lift like a bb, but it’s mostly because I think that’s the most effective way to lift for the health benefits…

I lived really hard for a long time, at 39 I would be semi retarded if I was trying to get bigger…But when I was younger, I figured I would have to be about 275 ripped to the bone to have any chance in a city level type of contest.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I’m saying it is, depending on bf %.

Let me slow it down.

Thanks for slowing it down. I’m obviously a retard.

Do I believe this guy is even 250lbs? No.

Do I think he is cruising anywhere near contest shape? NO.

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t pick that up multiple posts ago. Must have been the retardation kicking in.

Care to go further? Do you realize how rare it is to see someone who is that much smaller give an accurate estimate of someone’s body weight when they outweigh them by 50lbs?

I can tell people I only weigh 250lbs and they will believe because they don’t have any frame of reference for someone bigger than that.

Alright, now I’m done with the sarcasm. All of this is IRRELEVANT. We’re debating whether or not 250 pounds on 6’4" is big or not. You’re assuming its not. I disagree.

Now that it should be clear what the discussion is about, can I simplify it for you? Or do you care to veer off into another explanation about how you can lie about your weight and no one would know the difference?

Yes, 250lbs is big…to most people. Most people are NOT trying to look like really big bodybuilders so their opinion is IRRELEVANT. I was “pretty big” before I hit 180lbs according to most people. Guess what…they were wrong.

If we are talking about “big guys to get advice from” I would assume we are discussing NON casual lifters who have the goal of being really big and really strong. No, I do not consider 250lbs at SIX FOOT FOUR (which again is like someone about 5’10" at less than 200lbs) to be that damn big.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

A valid opinion. I think it’s big, albeit not huge. I don’t know if you buy into the whole pound per inch thing, but here’s some food for thought:

200 pounds / 70 inches = 2.8571 pounds per inch
250 pounds / 76 inches = 3.2894 pounds per inch

So in my opinion, the 250 pound taller guy is a good bit bigger than the 200 pound shorter guy, even with height taken into consideration.

By .4lbs per inch? Gee, HUGE difference.

Those .4 pounds per inch would make the 5’10" guy 230 pounds (the same size as Holymac, go figure). Like I said, nothing to scoff at.

Did you miss the interaction between us earlier? This guy is SIX INCHES TALLER THAN HOLYMAC yet only 20lbs heavier. Yet you think that’s big enough to warrant warning newbies about speaking to big bodybuilders?

I’m starting to believe either you can’t admit when anyone has a valid point or you’re just incapable of following along in a discussion.

We disagreed on the original assumption, that the OP is even correct about what he observed. I seriously doubt it and keep stating as much. But yes, if we are going by calculations, someone the size of Holymac would be similar to someone at the height of 6’4" at 250lbs.

I have rarely seen real life work out like a math problem because there are too many factors involved. That is why RANGES are given and not specific calculations of what someone could look like at a different height and weight.

That is why the range of 5-10lbs is given when these discussions pop up.[/quote]

Agreed on all points. That’s why I edited my original calculations post to say I realize it’s not an exact science (you may have missed my edit).

Just for a frame of reference here is a picture of a 6’3" 250 pound guy. You can see Dopa from this site’s profile if you want to see more pictures. Not giganta-huge, but nothing to scoff at in my opinion. Obviously some factors will vary from person to person but you get the idea.

I’ve got to try and get SOME work done today, lol, so I’ll be logging out for a couple hours but I’ll be checking back in with this thread for sure so I apologize if I don’t get right back to any responses directed my way.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

I’d say bigger, not MUCH bigger. That’s why it’s only a rough guideline. Agree to disagree.

Btw, next time don’t use so many big words, my retardation kicks in and I can’t comprehend. ;)[/quote]

I agree to disagree. Sorry for the big words, my job forces me to think like a nerd from 9-5. After that, I let the retardation set back and all is normal again.

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posting in epic thread

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[quote]GDI Inc wrote:
I’m 6’4 and trying to get down to 250 and I won’t look much like a BB. I’m at around 300lbs right now…and I don’t look anything like 300lbs…If you are a tall guy bb is rough…I lift like a bb, but it’s mostly because I think that’s the most effective way to lift for the health benefits…

I lived really hard for a long time, at 39 I would be semi retarded if I was trying to get bigger…But when I was younger, I figured I would have to be about 275 ripped to the bone to have any chance in a city level type of contest.[/quote]

That is the point I have been trying to get across. Any taller bodybuilder already knows that these calculations do not relate to reality. The taller you are, the more mass you need to look the same as a smaller lifter…and it is NOT based on some calculation of mass to height.

Most NPC bodybuilders who are even 6’2" need to be over 240lbs in CONTEST SHAPE to even hang with people shorter than them carrying less size.

I think it sucks that this needed to be argued to begin with. You can see this on any stage in the country.

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Things like this are why I love my gym… no one tells you what your goals are or what you should be doing… if you wonna be fat and strong they let you, if you wonna be athletic and strong they let you, if wonna be jacked and ripped they let you, however the scrawny and weak ones always end up going to a diffrent gym. lol

As for advice im not saying someone bigger and stronger is the sage of the gym, but I do think that they may have some advice that can help you.

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who cares whatother people think, do what works for you, do what you please, and work hard, look at the articles on here and work your ass off!!

…case closed, lets go drink some Grow!

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lol THIS IS HIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLARIOUS…

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People should stop making linear references to body weight vs. height. People are not 2 dimensional. Consider this, a cylinder with twice the height and same proportions will weigh 4 times as much, not twice. Your weight increases exponentialy with height.

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Just Because You’re Bigger…
… it could mean that…
you’re using steroids
you’re using synthol
or you’re using any other chemical crap

You don’t need to be bigger for train smarter

what if you don’t want to be huge?
or what if you just want to be strong?
or be healthy?
or even functional?

(that’s the way i think… big muscles without strength?.. like a ferrari without engine)

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[quote]Murasame wrote:
Just Because You’re Bigger…
… it could mean that…
you’re using steroids
you’re using synthol
or you’re using any other chemical crap

You don’t need to be bigger for train smarter

what if you don’t want to be huge?
or what if you just want to be strong?
or be healthy?
or even functional?

(that’s the way i think… big muscles without strength?.. like a ferrari without engine)

[/quote]

Yeah…because of the hoards of gigantic bodybuilders who are as weak as school girls, huh?

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[quote]ampleforth wrote:
People should stop making linear references to body weight vs. height. People are not 2 dimensional. Consider this, a cylinder with twice the height and same proportions will weigh 4 times as much, not twice. Your weight increases exponentialy with height.[/quote]

I blame “relative strength” for why there is so much confusion.

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there’s no one way to train productively, there’s to better way to train, the only secret?: HARD WORK, hard work in singles, doubles, twenty reps, HIT, or whatever. So if someone give you an advice of training and you don’t like it? simple, don’t take it… and keep training -or turn on your ipod and just ignore him or her- period.

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…and thanks professor X, you got the point!