Jumping Vids

Training Powerlifting
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The standing VJ has a lot to do with strength, most people are just too weak to jump high from a stand, but can go higher with a runup thanks to elasticity

If you can fullsquat with 2xBW or greater from a pause then strength is not your limitation to a high standing VJ :slight_smile:

And I figure if your jumping more than 4 inches higher from a runup or steps then you need to work on strength and explosive strength…

anyway the best way to measure the VJ is to use the top of your head. You know how tall you are, easy to measure, then setup a target at a specific height and tap your head on it. I just use the ceiling of my gym, which has loose ceiling panels. I just see how high I’m popping it up with my head :slight_smile:
The raised ceiling area will require me to have a 40+ inch VJ to pop up, so when I can nudge that I’m there :stuck_out_tongue:

from Kelly Bagget’s Q&A who has a 42inch standing VJ BTW…

Q: What is the true measure of a vertical leap. Does it require steps. Does it mean that you can stand flat-footed and jump straight up 42"? How is vertical leap defined?

A: The vertical leap is just a measure of how high a person can get off the ground. It can be measured in a variety of starts - flat footed, one step, 3 step runup, running start off a single leg, standing on a box and bouncing off the ground etc. It is usually measured via the reach method which takes the height a person can reach flat footed and subtracts it from the height they reach in a jump. The problem with this method is people cheat when they reach. It can also be measured by measuring how high the top of a persons head gets in a jump. That’s the most accurate and my personal favorite because it’s impossible to cheat if measured accurately. For example, I always got my measurements by taking my height and, standing flat footed, jumping up and tapping ceiling tiles with my head. I was fortunate to always have a bunch of buildings with tile ceilings nearby. :slight_smile: At 5’9 I could jump up and knock up a 9’3 ceiling tile. Just make sure you don’t attempt this with a hard ceiling or you’ll knock yourself out!

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[quote]Krollmonster wrote:
CoolColJ wrote:

I do the same kind of jumpstop as well
old vid of me doing a running jump on an outdoor BBall court - pretty chunky back then as well :slight_smile:

right click on link and save first to avoid errors
http://www.members.optushome.com.au/coolcolj2/Movies/CCJ_BBallJump_5May05.mpg

a friend told me that doing a 1-2 approach would make me jump higher - he gave me a clip of him doing that on 2 handed dunk. He does olylifting these days as well.

right click on link and save first to avoid errors
http://www.members.optushome.com.au/coolcolj2/Movies/2handsbouncedunk.MPG

I’ve tried it and it does feel a lot smoother. Kinda like a 2 legged version of a running one leg jump, but I don’t really get any higher, but it does allow you to run faster into the jump without slowing down etc

I can see in these vids how after each jump you guys land nice and smooth, meanwhile I crumble. :slight_smile:
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I think altitude drops will help you a lot here
Start low, sticking the landing and absorb. Then increase the height over time until your around where your jumps are and then slightly above it. They can help your jump as well

BTW the other guy there is 6 foot, and he has a 36inch or so standing VJ. He does olylifting these days, but he used to play semi-pro BBall in Europe

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[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
The standing VJ has a lot to do with strength, most people are just too weak to jump high from a stand, but can go higher with a runup thanks to elasticity

If you can fullsquat with 2xBW or greater from a pause then strength is not your limitation to a high standing VJ :slight_smile:

And I figure if your jumping more than 4 inches higher from a runup or steps then you need to work on strength and explosive strength…

anyway the best way to measure the VJ is to use the top of your head. You know how tall you are, easy to measure, then setup a target at a specific height and tap your head on it. I just use the ceiling of my gym, which has loose ceiling panels. I just see how high I’m popping it up with my head :slight_smile:
The raised ceiling area will require me to have a 40+ inch VJ to pop up, so when I can nudge that I’m there :stuck_out_tongue:

from Kelly Bagget’s Q&A who has a 42inch standing VJ BTW…

Q: What is the true measure of a vertical leap. Does it require steps. Does it mean that you can stand flat-footed and jump straight up 42"? How is vertical leap defined?

A: The vertical leap is just a measure of how high a person can get off the ground. It can be measured in a variety of starts - flat footed, one step, 3 step runup, running start off a single leg, standing on a box and bouncing off the ground etc. It is usually measured via the reach method which takes the height a person can reach flat footed and subtracts it from the height they reach in a jump. The problem with this method is people cheat when they reach. It can also be measured by measuring how high the top of a persons head gets in a jump. That’s the most accurate and my personal favorite because it’s impossible to cheat if measured accurately. For example, I always got my measurements by taking my height and, standing flat footed, jumping up and tapping ceiling tiles with my head. I was fortunate to always have a bunch of buildings with tile ceilings nearby. :slight_smile: At 5’9 I could jump up and knock up a 9’3 ceiling tile. Just make sure you don’t attempt this with a hard ceiling or you’ll knock yourself out!

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What does it mean when a persons vertical is nearly identical to their running vert. or 3 step vert?

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[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
The standing VJ has a lot to do with strength, most people are just too weak to jump high from a stand, but can go higher with a runup thanks to elasticity

If you can fullsquat with 2xBW or greater from a pause then strength is not your limitation to a high standing VJ :slight_smile:

And I figure if your jumping more than 4 inches higher from a runup or steps then you need to work on strength and explosive strength…

anyway the best way to measure the VJ is to use the top of your head. You know how tall you are, easy to measure, then setup a target at a specific height and tap your head on it. I just use the ceiling of my gym, which has loose ceiling panels. I just see how high I’m popping it up with my head :slight_smile:
The raised ceiling area will require me to have a 40+ inch VJ to pop up, so when I can nudge that I’m there :stuck_out_tongue:

from Kelly Bagget’s Q&A who has a 42inch standing VJ BTW…

Q: What is the true measure of a vertical leap. Does it require steps. Does it mean that you can stand flat-footed and jump straight up 42"? How is vertical leap defined?

A: The vertical leap is just a measure of how high a person can get off the ground. It can be measured in a variety of starts - flat footed, one step, 3 step runup, running start off a single leg, standing on a box and bouncing off the ground etc. It is usually measured via the reach method which takes the height a person can reach flat footed and subtracts it from the height they reach in a jump. The problem with this method is people cheat when they reach. It can also be measured by measuring how high the top of a persons head gets in a jump. That’s the most accurate and my personal favorite because it’s impossible to cheat if measured accurately. For example, I always got my measurements by taking my height and, standing flat footed, jumping up and tapping ceiling tiles with my head. I was fortunate to always have a bunch of buildings with tile ceilings nearby. :slight_smile: At 5’9 I could jump up and knock up a 9’3 ceiling tile. Just make sure you don’t attempt this with a hard ceiling or you’ll knock yourself out!

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CoolJ, I have seen your videos of jumping with touching your head on the drop ceiling.

The problem with measuring your vertical in that manner is that you are going to actually get a lower value than if you used your arms.

For one, you lose out on the momentum gained from throwing your arms up.

And second, as you approach maximal height with both your hands up, as you throw one of your hands down, you actually gain height. I can’t really get into this in this forum… but as you lower that hand from being raised, your center of gravity WITHIN your body shifts downward. To maintain your center of gravity relative to the earth, your height will increase by that same amount…leading you to gain a bit of height to your jump. You can see this in a high jumper’s technique.

If you or anyone else would like, I could write this out and include some diagrams, but it will take me quite some time.
I don’t mean to come across as condescending, so if I do, sorry. This stuff is interesting to me.

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Now if there was a way to objectively measure the top of a person’s head, starting from the standing position and then at max height, while allowing them to make full use of their arms, I guess that would be the most accurate measure. As long as their head would be vertical at maximum height.

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[quote]Kir Dog wrote:

What does it mean when a persons vertical is nearly identical to their running vert. or 3 step vert?[/quote]

the person lacks reactivity.
His body isn’t using the extra velocity from the run or steps. He has poor balance between his muscles and tendons. or static-spring proficiency :slight_smile:

so more altitude drops and depth jump work. Then low intensity rate work like hops on and off a 6 inch step to improve elasticty, and coordination of the firing and relaxation of the muscles/tendons. Aiming for around 18-20 hops in 10secs. Teach your body to be reflexive rather than muscle and strain the jump. Harder than it sounds :slight_smile:

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Well that shift in COG will balance the lack of arm use :slight_smile:

actually you do use your arms when jumping like that. Once the arms are past the horizontal position they don’t add anymore upward inertia I think

tilting the head doesn’t add any height, unless you have square head :slight_smile:

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Kroll,

I think you are incorrect in stating that throwing your hands up in mid-air would cause you to suddenly gain height. Objects within a system cannot exert a force on themselves. There is no such thing as a “conservation of center of gravity”, as COG only comes into play when there are torques applied to a system. In this case there are no torques so the center of gravity does not matter in this instance. I guess I could be wrong, what equations are you using to come to this conclusion?

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Kroll,

I think you are incorrect in stating that throwing your hands up in mid-air would cause you to suddenly gain height. Objects within a system cannot exert a force on themselves. There is no such thing as a “conservation of center of gravity”, as COG only comes into play when there are torques applied to a system. In this case there are no torques so the center of gravity does not matter in this instance. I guess I could be wrong, what equations are you using to come to this conclusion?[/quote]

I am not saying that throwing your hands up will suddenly gain height. Try jumping up from a stand still with both hands. Then on the next jump, jump in the same manner but throw one of your hands down as you approach maximum and reach with one hand. You will find quite a difference in your heights.

Let’s say that you are running and will jump over some object. Your COG relative to the earth will not change, but you can manipulate your body to move around your COG. This is what makes the Fosbury Flop high jump technique so effective. The jumper’s COG actually travels UNDERNEATH the bar!

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Kroll,

I think any difference in height would be due to the fact that you are reaching higher due to how your body is positioned, not because your body is any higher off the ground. The high jump technique works because you are manipulating your body over a very specific obstacle while in the air. Once you are in the air, your body is a constrained system. The only way to gain additional height would be by changing your mass (if you jumped up holding a 25lb plate and dropped it in mid-air) or by imparting an additional force in the air.

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Ahhhh, nothing makes me drool more than reading/learning about vertical stuff except for hott babes!

I’m a bball player & always working on the ol vertical. Started training again for vert this past Jan. haven’t been to consistent though; been playing toooo much ball. I’m 6’0-6’1’’ in my shoes :stuck_out_tongue: Before than was just bbing & not really working explosive strength. But now I’m playin’ ball again & want to be a awesome leaper.

Tested my standing vert back in March, it was 28 inches. I’m not dunking yet, need a few more inches & be able to palm the ball better, but if I get my very higher than who cares about palming anyways, hahaha.

Currently doing the big strenth lifts, Hex bar DL, squats, front squats, lunges, builigarian lunges or however you spell it. GHGR, SLDL. And I’m now doing a really sweet core program that I got out of Fitness RX.

Also started yesterday on some plyo drills w/ the Strength Shoes.

Also, I have the SuperCat vertical jump machine which is my main thing for vertical! What a great thing this is. If anyone else out there trains w/ it pm me so we can discuss the different ways to train on it. Here’s a pic.

And if you want some great advise on plyos look up Frank Costello, he’s one of the top guys about plyos. What a vertical he had!!!

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Hey guys, I have a badass pic of some guy dunking but it’s BMP or whatever. How would I get that up here?? Maybe I could send it to one of you in an email or something like that so everyone can see it. It’s quite impressive!

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Here’s a cool pic of B. Well & B. Diaw. B. Wells is 6’5!

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Forgot something. With the vertical, looks are deceiving that’s for sure. Ok, I’m @ an out door bball park last weekend & there’s this guy there who looks like he’s in the late 20 or early 30’s. I find out he’s 23. The guy looks old, has this Jesus beard & is skinny as hell.

But holy shit could he jump!! He’s my height, 6’0 or about 6’1’'. We even have the same reach. This guy was reversing, tomahawking, throwing it down w/ ease & force. It was jaw dropping to say the least!

A cool one he did was tap the ball against the backboard & then dunk it. He also dunked from a stand!

Then he did a 3 step & touched the top of the bank!!

This btw pissed me off! LMAO. I want that so bad! And I find out later he’s got cracked ribs from a car accident! :stuck_out_tongue:

Best leaper I’ve ever seen is Gary Fuller. Anyone know that name??

Oh, and does anyone know of a bball movie where the coach puts a $ 20 bill on top of the backboard & tells the kid if he jumps up & gets it, it’s his??? Some guy in the gym told me this the other day. But I’ve NEVER heard or seen this movie.

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[quote]BRUCELEEWANNABE wrote:
Forgot something. With the vertical, looks are deceiving that’s for sure. Ok, I’m @ an out door bball park last weekend & there’s this guy there who looks like he’s in the late 20 or early 30’s. I find out he’s 23. The guy looks old, has this Jesus beard & is skinny as hell.

But holy shit could he jump!! He’s my height, 6’0 or about 6’1’'. We even have the same reach. This guy was reversing, tomahawking, throwing it down w/ ease & force. It was jaw dropping to say the least!

A cool one he did was tap the ball against the backboard & then dunk it. He also dunked from a stand!

Then he did a 3 step & touched the top of the bank!!

This btw pissed me off! LMAO. I want that so bad! And I find out later he’s got cracked ribs from a car accident! :stuck_out_tongue:

Best leaper I’ve ever seen is Gary Fuller. Anyone know that name??

Oh, and does anyone know of a bball movie where the coach puts a $ 20 bill on top of the backboard & tells the kid if he jumps up & gets it, it’s his??? Some guy in the gym told me this the other day. But I’ve NEVER heard or seen this movie.[/quote]

I don’t know if they actually jump that high in the movie, but you may be talking about a movie about the “The Goat”. I forget the guy’s name in real life, but Don Cheadle played the role. He is the same guy that starred in Hotel Rwanda.

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Gary Fuller was the kid from the supercat ads right? The goats real name was Earl Manigault[sp?]. He was a playground legend from NY who got into some bad shit and never really made anything of himself. When he was older he started a youth league tryin to warn kids about the temptations of the streets. He died a few years back of a heart attack I believe.Kareem has said he’s the best player to have never made it to the league.

If anybody watches, check out the college dunk contest this year, there’s a kid from Cincy named James White who should be in it. He’s 6’7" and skinny as a rope[about 185] and has no explosion off of 2 feet. He is [save maybe Corey Benjamin]THE best 1 footed leaper I’ve ever seen. I’m talkin 2-hand cock backs from the foul line type shit.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Gary Fuller was the kid from the supercat ads right? The goats real name was Earl Manigault[sp?]. He was a playground legend from NY who got into some bad shit and never really made anything of himself. When he was older he started a youth league tryin to warn kids about the temptations of the streets. He died a few years back of a heart attack I believe.Kareem has said he’s the best player to have never made it to the league.

If anybody watches, check out the college dunk contest this year, there’s a kid from Cincy named James White who should be in it. He’s 6’7" and skinny as a rope[about 185] and has no explosion off of 2 feet. He is [save maybe Corey Benjamin]THE best 1 footed leaper I’ve ever seen. I’m talkin 2-hand cock backs from the foul line type shit.[/quote]

I’ll look for that White guy in the dunk contest. Sounds impressive. And yah, Gary Fuller is the one in the SuperCat ads. AT 6 foot has a three step 50! Fun to watch on video.

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Hey, Whiteflash, I even saw a video of James White doing a between the legs dunk from THE FREE THROW LINE! The kid is bananas, the only thing he needs to work on is his fundamentals and he will be a top 10 pick for sure.

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Does anyone know the record for the standing high jump? I know Ray Ewry hit 5’5" a hundred years ago and he had polio, so someone must be able to trounce that by now.

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Hey, Bruceleewannabe, if you really want to improve, I suggest that you cut down your training volume. How many times a week are you working out?

In my opinion, just some basic strength work (Full squats, deadlifts, lunges, step-ups) 2 times per week with the supercat workout 1 or 2 times per week will get you monstrous gains. Too much work=not enough time for your body to adapt. REST=GAINS!

You should focus on bringing up your maximal and explosive strength (Squat, Deadlifts+Supercat) then move on to plyos. My 2 cents there.