Jon Jones Band Work, Is It Wrong?

Training
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[quote]humble wrote:
That’s right Skelac.
The other point is he has to be doing nothing but band work day in and day out to even begin to ruin his technique or ‘injur himself’. It’s not like he is some untrained novice with no former technique or strength.
It’s not like those bands are the 200 pound iron woody’s either.
Seriously, if you have been training for a long time, it’s very hard to undo the pre-programmed cns developments and even after long breaks with no training it takes very short amounts of time compared to average joes to get back in the routines and get your skills sharp again.

So to me, it’s a laughable arguement and only applicable to novices with no technique or strength or people who are just over doing the band training. At most, I would estimate he does it once or twice a week. Compared to 6 days a week of proper fight training.[/quote]

The thing is that a relative beginner is drilling techniques/moves.Then,he brings those moves engrained through repetiion to sparring.At that points,its only bunch of pieces of a puzzle.
Now through sparring,beginner learns through making errors and self-correcting the effective skills while in semi-adrenaline situation.
The sparring gets more and more intensive as fighter develops,so its probable he would perform well in competition/fight.
In combat,only skills learned through adrenaline are reliable in another adrenaline situation and thats because adrenaline shuts parts of brain off and activates other parts.
Thats why challenging fight sparring is the crucial element of effective training.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
I’ve become more in line with the thinking that people try to reinvent the wheel too much, especially in the area of strength training/physical conditioning.

Being forced to sadistic sessions of punching the air with dumbbells didn’t give me anywhere near as much benefit as deadlifting, sprints and just plain old shadow boxing at full speed did.

There was a great article on T-Nation here just a few weeks ago I think, where the author stated that you probably get enough speed and “sport specific” work from actually doing your sport’s training than you do from trying to imitate your sport’s motions with extra resistance. I completely agree with that.

A lot of these new fangled resistance training methods really are just reinventing the wheel so to speak. If we broke it down they probably aren’t doing anything that an already commonly in use method didn’t do.

That said, is Jones’s resistance bands going to hurt his performance in the long run? Probably not. I Just don’t think it’s any more beneficial. [/quote]

Yeah,deadlifts,squats,cleans,sprints…all that shit is effective,no doubt.
But thing is,those bands provide resistance from various angles.
Used for strength,they could be very effective for strengthening those diagonal planes of movement. Kicks and punches are diagonal moves.Lifting barbells and dumbells is vertical.

Any advanced athlete should be attentative enough to notice if some training methods are contributing or taking away of his performance.There is no definitive general answer to that.

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Hmmmmm

All of this is always just a snapshot of training.

and I think alot of what we see is to
just punch that clock so to speak.
and get the required sessions in.

For someone who is doing such a high volume of work- crap like this
however silly , effective, or not effective its just nice to change it up.

as for the exercise choices- I don’t think we can really comment in an educated way
cause we don’t know what else was done that week, day , where he is in his training
etc.

so I don’t really think comments on his ‘form’ or performance are relative.

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true enough about the bands strengthening diagonal planes of movement. Any-thing where there’s resistance and you can change the motion of your body, mid-motion, you can gain some relevant strength in relation to fighting. The same is true of a sledge hammer or maul, it can improve your strength in diagonal planes of movement due to the fact that you can change the motion of the swing, mid-swing. a lot of rotational core strength can likely be built on the bands because of it.

though I have no idea how much resistance those bands provide, it is hard to train in those movements and you can’t do it with traditional barbells and dumb-bells. the bands are kind of like medicine ball work as well, in that they can strengthen the muscles involved in diagonal planes of movement.

I think I’ve seen Fedor and some other fighters use the things like bands as well. In very explosive fast movements, you would think they would train fast-twitch muscles too.

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[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft. [/quote]

he’s champ cuz he implemented techniques he feels benefit him, no matter wtf you think of it. Obviously it works for him, and trying to deny that is just idiotic lol.

brb… someone tell JJ that the reason why he sucks is cause he’s not following T-Nation advice lol

and lol at any time a black athlete excels at something, that the first conclusion is that it’s genetics and instinct, over the fact that he might possibly train like a beast…

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Edit: @WhiteFlash

Exactly. They’re fighters, not S&C guys. They’re coaches get them to do things, they do them. And we all know there are coaches out there that straight up suck, and others who use oddball/alternative methods.

It’s the things that fighters swear by that you should pay attention to. All the boxers doing road work, all the sparring James Toney was known to do, all the hard conditioning you see in wrestling programs etc.

If Jones said years down the line that this band stuff helped him, I’d be sold. As of right now, meh, it’s just another one of those things he did in a weight room.

GSP is another example. Seems to love explosive leg work, and switches things up over the years. I’m not paying attention to his gymnastics routine as of late, I’m looking at all the hurdle jumping and snatching.

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft. [/quote]

he’s champ cuz he implemented techniques he feels benefit him, no matter wtf you think of it. Obviously it works for him, and trying to deny that is just idiotic lol.

brb… someone tell JJ that the reason why he sucks is cause he’s not following T-Nation advice lol

and lol at any time a black athlete excels at something, that the first conclusion is that it’s genetics and instinct, over the fact that he might possibly train like a beast…

[/quote]

I think anytime a guy trains 4 years in a given sport and excels at the level Jon has, you’re going to have to point out that he’s “special” with respect to his innate abilities, instincts and genetics. Otherwise you’d be implying guys like Machida, Shogun, and Bonnar train with that much less intensity (or train REALLY stupid) to allow him to cover that kind of ground.

I really like Jon as a fighter, but let’s not deny he’s got a great frame, a great background, and great genes, or that he has great talent. I really don’t see how it diminishes his accomplishments. Four top ten guys in 9 months afterall. You don’t do that shit without hardwork.

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[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft. [/quote]

he’s champ cuz he implemented techniques he feels benefit him, no matter wtf you think of it. Obviously it works for him, and trying to deny that is just idiotic lol.

brb… someone tell JJ that the reason why he sucks is cause he’s not following T-Nation advice lol

and lol at any time a black athlete excels at something, that the first conclusion is that it’s genetics and instinct, over the fact that he might possibly train like a beast…

[/quote]

I think anytime a guy trains 4 years in a given sport and excels at the level Jon has, you’re going to have to point out that he’s “special” with respect to his innate abilities, instincts and genetics. Otherwise you’d be implying guys like Machida, Shogun, and Bonnar train with that much less intensity (or train REALLY stupid) to allow him to cover that kind of ground.

I really like Jon as a fighter, but let’s not deny he’s got a great frame, a great background, and great genes, or that he has great talent. I really don’t see how it diminishes his accomplishments. Four top ten guys in 9 months afterall. You don’t do that shit without hardwork.[/quote]

somewhat true, but we aren’t comparing his genetics to some bloke, we’re comparing them to other professional athletes he competes against who also have great genetics. Grant you his reach etc etc is a plus on his side, but you look at his technique, especially when he uses his Greco for take downs, it’s simply flawless. He gets leverage, and uses speed even with his slight frame it’s amazing to watch.

If he uses bands, then so be it, if someone else runs laps and spars in the pool, then so be it, whatever shit works for them, works for them. Especially if they are convinced it is, and most importantly they are dominating the competition.

what I’m saying is that everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to it, thats a given. JBJ has found his ‘keys’ to success, they may not be yours or “conventional”, so rather than try to discredit his training techniques, just don’t follow them…

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft. [/quote]

he’s champ cuz he implemented techniques he feels benefit him, no matter wtf you think of it. Obviously it works for him, and trying to deny that is just idiotic lol.

brb… someone tell JJ that the reason why he sucks is cause he’s not following T-Nation advice lol

and lol at any time a black athlete excels at something, that the first conclusion is that it’s genetics and instinct, over the fact that he might possibly train like a beast…
[/quote]

This is one of the dumbest things ever written. Where did I say his being black had ANYTHING to do with his success? GSP is about as white as they come and he’s been lunchboxing dudes for years. Did you not read the part where I wrote “hard work and favorable genetics for their craft”? I’ve been around quite a few pro athletes [mostly NBA players] and the majority of these dudes haven’t got a clue about training. They just do what they’re told - which more often than not is shit that would make you cringe - and they get results due to: busting their ass and and favorable genetics. Arguing about this shows how liitle you know on the subject.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft. [/quote]

he’s champ cuz he implemented techniques he feels benefit him, no matter wtf you think of it. Obviously it works for him, and trying to deny that is just idiotic lol.

brb… someone tell JJ that the reason why he sucks is cause he’s not following T-Nation advice lol

and lol at any time a black athlete excels at something, that the first conclusion is that it’s genetics and instinct, over the fact that he might possibly train like a beast…
[/quote]

This is one of the dumbest things ever written. Where did I say his being black had ANYTHING to do with his success? GSP is about as white as they come and he’s been lunchboxing dudes for years. Did you not read the part where I wrote “hard work and favorable genetics for their craft”? I’ve been around quite a few pro athletes [mostly NBA players] and the majority of these dudes haven’t got a clue about training. They just do what they’re told - which more often than not is shit that would make you cringe - and they get results due to: busting their ass and and favorable genetics. Arguing about this shows how liitle you know on the subject.[/quote]

I shouldn’t of assumed that grant you, though most narrow minded people make that genetics assumption, and seeing where you are coming from it sorta fits. I’d just like to know how you can prove in your prior statement that it isn’t his goofy training techniques that has made him champ?? You must have a personal inside scoop on his rise and success, spill it, we all want to know…

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft. [/quote]

he’s champ cuz he implemented techniques he feels benefit him, no matter wtf you think of it. Obviously it works for him, and trying to deny that is just idiotic lol.

brb… someone tell JJ that the reason why he sucks is cause he’s not following T-Nation advice lol

and lol at any time a black athlete excels at something, that the first conclusion is that it’s genetics and instinct, over the fact that he might possibly train like a beast…
[/quote]

This is one of the dumbest things ever written. Where did I say his being black had ANYTHING to do with his success? GSP is about as white as they come and he’s been lunchboxing dudes for years. Did you not read the part where I wrote “hard work and favorable genetics for their craft”? I’ve been around quite a few pro athletes [mostly NBA players] and the majority of these dudes haven’t got a clue about training. They just do what they’re told - which more often than not is shit that would make you cringe - and they get results due to: busting their ass and and favorable genetics. Arguing about this shows how liitle you know on the subject.[/quote]

I shouldn’t of assumed that grant you, it’s a huge assumption most narrow minded people make, and seeing where you are coming from it sorta fits. I’d just like to know how you can prove in your prior statement that it isn’t his goofy training techniques that has made him champ?? You must have a personal inside scoop on his rise and success, spill it, we all want to know…
[/quote]

My bad on being a dick in that response. I don’t have any inside scoop on the “power of band training” or whatever else he’s doing, but I CAN tell you that there are literally 1,000’s of other dudes trying this shit and we’ll never hear a word about 'em. The point I’m trying to make is, at the top, hard work and genetics are the trump card, with genetics being the ace up your sleeve.

If you take someone with average genetics and a superior work ethic and put him against someone with superior genetics and an average work ethic, the guy with better genetics wins 99 times out of 100. The guy who has superior genetics AND a superior work ethic is the guy who’s name goes down in the books.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft. [/quote]

he’s champ cuz he implemented techniques he feels benefit him, no matter wtf you think of it. Obviously it works for him, and trying to deny that is just idiotic lol.

brb… someone tell JJ that the reason why he sucks is cause he’s not following T-Nation advice lol

and lol at any time a black athlete excels at something, that the first conclusion is that it’s genetics and instinct, over the fact that he might possibly train like a beast…
[/quote]

This is one of the dumbest things ever written. Where did I say his being black had ANYTHING to do with his success? GSP is about as white as they come and he’s been lunchboxing dudes for years. Did you not read the part where I wrote “hard work and favorable genetics for their craft”? I’ve been around quite a few pro athletes [mostly NBA players] and the majority of these dudes haven’t got a clue about training. They just do what they’re told - which more often than not is shit that would make you cringe - and they get results due to: busting their ass and and favorable genetics. Arguing about this shows how liitle you know on the subject.[/quote]

I shouldn’t of assumed that grant you, it’s a huge assumption most narrow minded people make, and seeing where you are coming from it sorta fits. I’d just like to know how you can prove in your prior statement that it isn’t his goofy training techniques that has made him champ?? You must have a personal inside scoop on his rise and success, spill it, we all want to know…
[/quote]

My bad on being a dick in that response. I don’t have any inside scoop on the “power of band training” or whatever else he’s doing, but I CAN tell you that there are literally 1,000’s of other dudes trying this shit and we’ll never hear a word about 'em. The point I’m trying to make is, at the top, hard work and genetics are the trump card, with genetics being the ace up your sleeve.

If you take someone with average genetics and a superior work ethic and put him against someone with superior genetics and an average work ethic, the guy with better genetics wins 99 times out of 100. The guy who has superior genetics AND a superior work ethic is the guy who’s name goes down in the books.[/quote]

Of course, that statement can be made to about anybody and any exercise. There are thousands of fighters who use conventional training and we’ll never hear a word about them either, that doesn’t mean we discount the training method they use. Only they know if exercise ‘X’ helped them or impeded them, in their training.

I could poke a million holes in that second argument, but I don’t know how we go about measuring ‘genetics’ on a 1 vs 1 level with pro athletes. I’ll bite anyway, since you’re an NBA fan, I’ll go that way, Mugsy Bogues, and say Steve Nash have rather average ‘genetics’??? compared to the guys they play against, but yet have found much success in their sport.

Roy ‘Big Country’ Nelson, I’d say debunks the ‘genetic’ and ‘hard work’ (in some aspects) and yet is very successful. Jon Fitch is rather average??? genetic wise as compared to Thiago Alves, yet he outworked him and dominated him. You obviously haven’t seen guys who look ‘genetically superior’??? (whatever that is) gas out in combat sports vs a rather avg looking opponent. Athletic performance is a very complex thing, what determines success for some, doesn’t for others, it’s just a fact.

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft. [/quote]

he’s champ cuz he implemented techniques he feels benefit him, no matter wtf you think of it. Obviously it works for him, and trying to deny that is just idiotic lol.

brb… someone tell JJ that the reason why he sucks is cause he’s not following T-Nation advice lol

and lol at any time a black athlete excels at something, that the first conclusion is that it’s genetics and instinct, over the fact that he might possibly train like a beast…
[/quote]

This is one of the dumbest things ever written. Where did I say his being black had ANYTHING to do with his success? GSP is about as white as they come and he’s been lunchboxing dudes for years. Did you not read the part where I wrote “hard work and favorable genetics for their craft”? I’ve been around quite a few pro athletes [mostly NBA players] and the majority of these dudes haven’t got a clue about training. They just do what they’re told - which more often than not is shit that would make you cringe - and they get results due to: busting their ass and and favorable genetics. Arguing about this shows how liitle you know on the subject.[/quote]

I shouldn’t of assumed that grant you, it’s a huge assumption most narrow minded people make, and seeing where you are coming from it sorta fits. I’d just like to know how you can prove in your prior statement that it isn’t his goofy training techniques that has made him champ?? You must have a personal inside scoop on his rise and success, spill it, we all want to know…
[/quote]

My bad on being a dick in that response. I don’t have any inside scoop on the “power of band training” or whatever else he’s doing, but I CAN tell you that there are literally 1,000’s of other dudes trying this shit and we’ll never hear a word about 'em. The point I’m trying to make is, at the top, hard work and genetics are the trump card, with genetics being the ace up your sleeve.

If you take someone with average genetics and a superior work ethic and put him against someone with superior genetics and an average work ethic, the guy with better genetics wins 99 times out of 100. The guy who has superior genetics AND a superior work ethic is the guy who’s name goes down in the books.[/quote]

Of course, that statement can be made to about anybody and any exercise. There are thousands of fighters who use conventional training and we’ll never hear a word about them either, that doesn’t mean we discount the training method they use. Only they know if exercise ‘X’ helped them or impeded them, in their training.

I could poke a million holes in that second argument, but I don’t know how we go about measuring ‘genetics’ on a 1 vs 1 level with pro athletes. I’ll bite anyway, since you’re an NBA fan, I’ll go that way, Mugsy Bogues, and say Steve Nash have rather average ‘genetics’??? compared to the guys they play against, but yet have found much success in their sport.

Roy ‘Big Country’ Nelson, I’d say debunks the ‘genetic’ and ‘hard work’ (in some aspects) and yet is very successful. Jon Fitch is rather average??? genetic wise as compared to Thiago Alves, yet he outworked him and dominated him. You obviously haven’t seen guys who look ‘genetically superior’??? (whatever that is) gas out in combat sports vs a rather avg looking opponent. Athletic performance is a very complex thing, what determines success for some, doesn’t for others, it’s just a fact.[/quote]

How are the guys you listed less genetically gifted, 'cuse they don’t look the part? Nash and Bouges had/have unbelievable reflexes and hand/eye coordination, not to mention incredible balance, agility, dexterity and quickness. Fitch is considerably stronger than he looks and has a gas tank that doesn’t run out. Nelson I’d argue is a genetic freak because despite the way he looks, he’s quick, fast and has considerable endurance. Each attribute listed can be trained, but they are largely GENETIC. Again, you’re putting words in my mouth. I could give a shit how someone looks, I care about their physical attributes in relation to their sport. And, out of all the guys you listed only Nash could hav ever been considered at or even near the top of his craft, and I personally think he should’ve never been an MVP.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft. [/quote]

he’s champ cuz he implemented techniques he feels benefit him, no matter wtf you think of it. Obviously it works for him, and trying to deny that is just idiotic lol.

brb… someone tell JJ that the reason why he sucks is cause he’s not following T-Nation advice lol

and lol at any time a black athlete excels at something, that the first conclusion is that it’s genetics and instinct, over the fact that he might possibly train like a beast…
[/quote]

This is one of the dumbest things ever written. Where did I say his being black had ANYTHING to do with his success? GSP is about as white as they come and he’s been lunchboxing dudes for years. Did you not read the part where I wrote “hard work and favorable genetics for their craft”? I’ve been around quite a few pro athletes [mostly NBA players] and the majority of these dudes haven’t got a clue about training. They just do what they’re told - which more often than not is shit that would make you cringe - and they get results due to: busting their ass and and favorable genetics. Arguing about this shows how liitle you know on the subject.[/quote]

I shouldn’t of assumed that grant you, it’s a huge assumption most narrow minded people make, and seeing where you are coming from it sorta fits. I’d just like to know how you can prove in your prior statement that it isn’t his goofy training techniques that has made him champ?? You must have a personal inside scoop on his rise and success, spill it, we all want to know…
[/quote]

My bad on being a dick in that response. I don’t have any inside scoop on the “power of band training” or whatever else he’s doing, but I CAN tell you that there are literally 1,000’s of other dudes trying this shit and we’ll never hear a word about 'em. The point I’m trying to make is, at the top, hard work and genetics are the trump card, with genetics being the ace up your sleeve.

If you take someone with average genetics and a superior work ethic and put him against someone with superior genetics and an average work ethic, the guy with better genetics wins 99 times out of 100. The guy who has superior genetics AND a superior work ethic is the guy who’s name goes down in the books.[/quote]

Of course, that statement can be made to about anybody and any exercise. There are thousands of fighters who use conventional training and we’ll never hear a word about them either, that doesn’t mean we discount the training method they use. Only they know if exercise ‘X’ helped them or impeded them, in their training.

I could poke a million holes in that second argument, but I don’t know how we go about measuring ‘genetics’ on a 1 vs 1 level with pro athletes. I’ll bite anyway, since you’re an NBA fan, I’ll go that way, Mugsy Bogues, and say Steve Nash have rather average ‘genetics’??? compared to the guys they play against, but yet have found much success in their sport.

Roy ‘Big Country’ Nelson, I’d say debunks the ‘genetic’ and ‘hard work’ (in some aspects) and yet is very successful. Jon Fitch is rather average??? genetic wise as compared to Thiago Alves, yet he outworked him and dominated him. You obviously haven’t seen guys who look ‘genetically superior’??? (whatever that is) gas out in combat sports vs a rather avg looking opponent. Athletic performance is a very complex thing, what determines success for some, doesn’t for others, it’s just a fact.[/quote]

How are the guys you listed less genetically gifted, 'cuse they don’t look the part? Nash and Bouges had/have unbelievable reflexes and hand/eye coordination, not to mention incredible balance, agility, dexterity and quickness. Fitch is considerably stronger than he looks and has a gas tank that doesn’t run out. Nelson I’d argue is a genetic freak because despite the way he looks, he’s quick, fast and has considerable endurance. Each attribute listed can be trained, but they are largely GENETIC. Again, you’re putting words in my mouth. I could give a shit how someone looks, I care about their physical attributes in relation to their sport. And, out of all the guys you listed only Nash could hav ever been considered at or even near the top of his craft, and I personally think he should’ve never been an MVP. [/quote]

I’m not putting words in your mouth, I’m just trying to get what you were saying or implying when you mentioned ‘genetics’. I would think we all agree that any pro athlete who has reached a certain level of success has to have some degree of ‘good genetics’. So I don’t know why it was ever brought into the discussion really. That’s why my response had ‘quotes’ and ??? after the mention of genetics.

This thread is somewhat useless and trolling, for the reason that JBJ has a training technique that aids HIM in his success, period… To lay claim that it’s right or wrong in his application is totally ridiculous.

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft. [/quote]

he’s champ cuz he implemented techniques he feels benefit him, no matter wtf you think of it. Obviously it works for him, and trying to deny that is just idiotic lol.

brb… someone tell JJ that the reason why he sucks is cause he’s not following T-Nation advice lol

and lol at any time a black athlete excels at something, that the first conclusion is that it’s genetics and instinct, over the fact that he might possibly train like a beast…
[/quote]

This is one of the dumbest things ever written. Where did I say his being black had ANYTHING to do with his success? GSP is about as white as they come and he’s been lunchboxing dudes for years. Did you not read the part where I wrote “hard work and favorable genetics for their craft”? I’ve been around quite a few pro athletes [mostly NBA players] and the majority of these dudes haven’t got a clue about training. They just do what they’re told - which more often than not is shit that would make you cringe - and they get results due to: busting their ass and and favorable genetics. Arguing about this shows how liitle you know on the subject.[/quote]

I shouldn’t of assumed that grant you, it’s a huge assumption most narrow minded people make, and seeing where you are coming from it sorta fits. I’d just like to know how you can prove in your prior statement that it isn’t his goofy training techniques that has made him champ?? You must have a personal inside scoop on his rise and success, spill it, we all want to know…
[/quote]

My bad on being a dick in that response. I don’t have any inside scoop on the “power of band training” or whatever else he’s doing, but I CAN tell you that there are literally 1,000’s of other dudes trying this shit and we’ll never hear a word about 'em. The point I’m trying to make is, at the top, hard work and genetics are the trump card, with genetics being the ace up your sleeve.

If you take someone with average genetics and a superior work ethic and put him against someone with superior genetics and an average work ethic, the guy with better genetics wins 99 times out of 100. The guy who has superior genetics AND a superior work ethic is the guy who’s name goes down in the books.[/quote]

Of course, that statement can be made to about anybody and any exercise. There are thousands of fighters who use conventional training and we’ll never hear a word about them either, that doesn’t mean we discount the training method they use. Only they know if exercise ‘X’ helped them or impeded them, in their training.

I could poke a million holes in that second argument, but I don’t know how we go about measuring ‘genetics’ on a 1 vs 1 level with pro athletes. I’ll bite anyway, since you’re an NBA fan, I’ll go that way, Mugsy Bogues, and say Steve Nash have rather average ‘genetics’??? compared to the guys they play against, but yet have found much success in their sport.

Roy ‘Big Country’ Nelson, I’d say debunks the ‘genetic’ and ‘hard work’ (in some aspects) and yet is very successful. Jon Fitch is rather average??? genetic wise as compared to Thiago Alves, yet he outworked him and dominated him. You obviously haven’t seen guys who look ‘genetically superior’??? (whatever that is) gas out in combat sports vs a rather avg looking opponent. Athletic performance is a very complex thing, what determines success for some, doesn’t for others, it’s just a fact.[/quote]

How are the guys you listed less genetically gifted, 'cuse they don’t look the part? Nash and Bouges had/have unbelievable reflexes and hand/eye coordination, not to mention incredible balance, agility, dexterity and quickness. Fitch is considerably stronger than he looks and has a gas tank that doesn’t run out. Nelson I’d argue is a genetic freak because despite the way he looks, he’s quick, fast and has considerable endurance. Each attribute listed can be trained, but they are largely GENETIC. Again, you’re putting words in my mouth. I could give a shit how someone looks, I care about their physical attributes in relation to their sport. And, out of all the guys you listed only Nash could hav ever been considered at or even near the top of his craft, and I personally think he should’ve never been an MVP. [/quote]

I’m not putting words in your mouth, I’m just trying to get what you were saying or implying when you mentioned ‘genetics’. I would think we all agree that any pro athlete who has reached a certain level of success has to have some degree of ‘good genetics’. So I don’t know why it was ever brought into the discussion really. That’s why my response had ‘quotes’ and ??? after the mention of genetics.

This thread is somewhat useless and trolling, for the reason that JBJ has a training technique that aids HIM in his success, period… To lay claim that it’s right or wrong in his application is totally ridiculous. [/quote]

You can’t be this dense. I’m not saying that training like does does or doesn’t aid him. I’m saying ANYTHING he did would work, due to, get this: HIS HARD WORK AND GENETICS.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:
lmao… " I read it on T-Nation" so it must be gospel.

[/quote]

lmfao, this.

Lets discredit the training methods used by one of the most dominant champs in recent history, and take note of the training methods suggested by some nobody’s on the forum here lol

is this real life??[/quote]

lmfao

Current champ uses particular conditioning method - must be why he’s the champ. Let’s copy him to a T, we will be champions too.
[/quote]

lmfao

he’s certainly not the champ cause he listened to you or some random workout on T-Nation lol. Wake up…[/quote]

He’s the champ 'cause of superior instincts and favorable genetics, not 'cause of some goofy training program. The facts are that quite a few of these guys train like complete retards but get away with it due to hard work and favorable genetics for their craft. [/quote]

he’s champ cuz he implemented techniques he feels benefit him, no matter wtf you think of it. Obviously it works for him, and trying to deny that is just idiotic lol.

brb… someone tell JJ that the reason why he sucks is cause he’s not following T-Nation advice lol

and lol at any time a black athlete excels at something, that the first conclusion is that it’s genetics and instinct, over the fact that he might possibly train like a beast…
[/quote]

This is one of the dumbest things ever written. Where did I say his being black had ANYTHING to do with his success? GSP is about as white as they come and he’s been lunchboxing dudes for years. Did you not read the part where I wrote “hard work and favorable genetics for their craft”? I’ve been around quite a few pro athletes [mostly NBA players] and the majority of these dudes haven’t got a clue about training. They just do what they’re told - which more often than not is shit that would make you cringe - and they get results due to: busting their ass and and favorable genetics. Arguing about this shows how liitle you know on the subject.[/quote]

I shouldn’t of assumed that grant you, it’s a huge assumption most narrow minded people make, and seeing where you are coming from it sorta fits. I’d just like to know how you can prove in your prior statement that it isn’t his goofy training techniques that has made him champ?? You must have a personal inside scoop on his rise and success, spill it, we all want to know…
[/quote]

My bad on being a dick in that response. I don’t have any inside scoop on the “power of band training” or whatever else he’s doing, but I CAN tell you that there are literally 1,000’s of other dudes trying this shit and we’ll never hear a word about 'em. The point I’m trying to make is, at the top, hard work and genetics are the trump card, with genetics being the ace up your sleeve.

If you take someone with average genetics and a superior work ethic and put him against someone with superior genetics and an average work ethic, the guy with better genetics wins 99 times out of 100. The guy who has superior genetics AND a superior work ethic is the guy who’s name goes down in the books.[/quote]

Of course, that statement can be made to about anybody and any exercise. There are thousands of fighters who use conventional training and we’ll never hear a word about them either, that doesn’t mean we discount the training method they use. Only they know if exercise ‘X’ helped them or impeded them, in their training.

I could poke a million holes in that second argument, but I don’t know how we go about measuring ‘genetics’ on a 1 vs 1 level with pro athletes. I’ll bite anyway, since you’re an NBA fan, I’ll go that way, Mugsy Bogues, and say Steve Nash have rather average ‘genetics’??? compared to the guys they play against, but yet have found much success in their sport.

Roy ‘Big Country’ Nelson, I’d say debunks the ‘genetic’ and ‘hard work’ (in some aspects) and yet is very successful. Jon Fitch is rather average??? genetic wise as compared to Thiago Alves, yet he outworked him and dominated him. You obviously haven’t seen guys who look ‘genetically superior’??? (whatever that is) gas out in combat sports vs a rather avg looking opponent. Athletic performance is a very complex thing, what determines success for some, doesn’t for others, it’s just a fact.[/quote]

How are the guys you listed less genetically gifted, 'cuse they don’t look the part? Nash and Bouges had/have unbelievable reflexes and hand/eye coordination, not to mention incredible balance, agility, dexterity and quickness. Fitch is considerably stronger than he looks and has a gas tank that doesn’t run out. Nelson I’d argue is a genetic freak because despite the way he looks, he’s quick, fast and has considerable endurance. Each attribute listed can be trained, but they are largely GENETIC. Again, you’re putting words in my mouth. I could give a shit how someone looks, I care about their physical attributes in relation to their sport. And, out of all the guys you listed only Nash could hav ever been considered at or even near the top of his craft, and I personally think he should’ve never been an MVP. [/quote]

I’m not putting words in your mouth, I’m just trying to get what you were saying or implying when you mentioned ‘genetics’. I would think we all agree that any pro athlete who has reached a certain level of success has to have some degree of ‘good genetics’. So I don’t know why it was ever brought into the discussion really. That’s why my response had ‘quotes’ and ??? after the mention of genetics.

This thread is somewhat useless and trolling, for the reason that JBJ has a training technique that aids HIM in his success, period… To lay claim that it’s right or wrong in his application is totally ridiculous. [/quote]

You can’t be this dense. I’m not saying that training like does does or doesn’t aid him. I’m saying ANYTHING he did would work, due to, get this: HIS HARD WORK AND GENETICS.[/quote]

I know what your saying, it just semantics really. I’m just having a hard time getting what YOU think is a goofy training program and what isn’t in reference to Jon Jones. So if he trains ‘hard’ during these goofy training programs as you put it, does it or doesn’t it aid his fighting, or in YOUR expert opinion, it’s just a waste of time due to his superior genetics.

Again, the kid trains and uses methods that aid him in winning/dominating the division. How anyone can say they are wrong is beyond me. If he was 0-12 and getting his head kicked in then I might say something may be wrong with his talent or training methods.