Jeremy Lin

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really? [/quote]

It’s only been a handful of games where he’s maintained this level of performance and he’s drawing worldwide headlines. It’s only a mammoth story because of his race.[/quote]

“This level of performance” = something never been done before since the NBA/ABA merger.

TO say its JUST because of his race is ABSURD.

In other words. He had the most statistically prolific start to a career in HISTORY. And did it in the biggest media market in the world.

I dont understand how people are STILL downplaying his accomplishments, however limited they are. [/quote]

It’s only a MAMMOTH story because of his race. If a black player had done the exact same thing as Lin, the world wouldn’t be going nuts.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really? [/quote]

It’s only been a handful of games where he’s maintained this level of performance and he’s drawing worldwide headlines. It’s only a mammoth story because of his race.[/quote]

False. The stories would still be huge if he were black or white, but they would be more focused on the particular plays rather than the race factor.

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[quote]cct wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really?

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or did you mean to emphasize the ‘asian fanboys’ part? [/quote]

Asian fanboys were saying how amazing he is before he even did anything. Mayweather is definitely down playing Lin’s achievements, but so is Lin himself.
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OK. I never heard of him before this week.

The difference between mayweather and lin is that mayweather is officially a hater (and clearly bigoted towards Asians) whereas Lin is ‘saying the right stuff’ or is humble (whichever)

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really? [/quote]

It’s only been a handful of games where he’s maintained this level of performance and he’s drawing worldwide headlines. It’s only a mammoth story because of his race.[/quote]

“This level of performance” = something never been done before since the NBA/ABA merger.

TO say its JUST because of his race is ABSURD.

In other words. He had the most statistically prolific start to a career in HISTORY. And did it in the biggest media market in the world.

I dont understand how people are STILL downplaying his accomplishments, however limited they are. [/quote]

It’s only a MAMMOTH story because of his race. If a black player had done the exact same thing as Lin, the world wouldn’t be going nuts.

[/quote]

Uh, they would if he was Jackie Robinson.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really? [/quote]

It’s only been a handful of games where he’s maintained this level of performance and he’s drawing worldwide headlines. It’s only a mammoth story because of his race.[/quote]

“This level of performance” = something never been done before since the NBA/ABA merger.

TO say its JUST because of his race is ABSURD.

In other words. He had the most statistically prolific start to a career in HISTORY. And did it in the biggest media market in the world.

I dont understand how people are STILL downplaying his accomplishments, however limited they are. [/quote]

It’s only a MAMMOTH story because of his race. If a black player had done the exact same thing as Lin, the world wouldn’t be going nuts.

[/quote]

Thats silly.

Anyone who posts the BEST START TO A CAREER in HISTORY that has an identical backstory is going to get national attention. How is it possible to think otherwise? What precendent is there to believe otherwise?? Youre making a baseless assumption.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really? [/quote]

It’s only been a handful of games where he’s maintained this level of performance and he’s drawing worldwide headlines. It’s only a mammoth story because of his race.[/quote]

“This level of performance” = something never been done before since the NBA/ABA merger.

TO say its JUST because of his race is ABSURD.

In other words. He had the most statistically prolific start to a career in HISTORY. And did it in the biggest media market in the world.

I dont understand how people are STILL downplaying his accomplishments, however limited they are. [/quote]

It’s only a MAMMOTH story because of his race. If a black player had done the exact same thing as Lin, the world wouldn’t be going nuts.

[/quote]

Uh, they would if he was Jackie Robinson.[/quote]

THis isnt even a color barrier issue though. There have been a half dozen asian players before. Jackie Robinson was a good baseball player but he wasnt amazing, stats wise at least.

This is a situation where a nobody blew up the scoring record book. The novelty of his skin color is over. He’s getting major attention because of his play.

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Lin went to high school just a few miles from where I was living at the time. I don’t follow high school sports, but when his team (Palo Alto High, same school that Jim Harbaugh went to) got into the state tournament it was hard to avoid stories about it in the Sports Section of the paper.

Palo Alto plays in the CCS Division in the Bay Area and it’s considered the toughest high school sports conference in the state. Mostly for baseball and football, but basketball also. So his team got into the playoffs as a mid-level seed, like a 4 or a 5, and won the whole Div. I championship. Then they went on some dream run through the whole state tournament and beat the #1 team in the state (some school from Crenshaw or Long Beach or somewhere around there) in a huge upset. And Jeremy Lin was the star player who carried them down the stretch.

I’m surprised I don’t hear anything about that from the TV people. I’m sure when he has his own E:60 show they will, but I remember that was a pretty good story when it happened, at least in the Bay Area anyways. When he made the Warriors last year I remembered who he was and I thought it was a good story as is just to get to the NBA and play for your hometown team that you rooted for as a kid.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really? [/quote]

It’s only been a handful of games where he’s maintained this level of performance and he’s drawing worldwide headlines. It’s only a mammoth story because of his race.[/quote]

“This level of performance” = something never been done before since the NBA/ABA merger.

TO say its JUST because of his race is ABSURD.

In other words. He had the most statistically prolific start to a career in HISTORY. And did it in the biggest media market in the world.

I dont understand how people are STILL downplaying his accomplishments, however limited they are. [/quote]

It’s only a MAMMOTH story because of his race. If a black player had done the exact same thing as Lin, the world wouldn’t be going nuts.

[/quote]

Thats silly.

Anyone who posts the BEST START TO A CAREER in HISTORY that has an identical backstory is going to get national attention. How is it possible to think otherwise? What precendent is there to believe otherwise?? Youre making a baseless assumption. [/quote]

National attention? who’s talking about national attention?

This story is blowing up WORLDWIDE.

I’ve never seen a player who has played as little as he has receiving this much attention. Have you seen in it baseball? A 2 week stretch of a player putting up big numbers in the regular season on a team that’s .500 receiving worldwide news coverage.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really? [/quote]

It’s only been a handful of games where he’s maintained this level of performance and he’s drawing worldwide headlines. It’s only a mammoth story because of his race.[/quote]

“This level of performance” = something never been done before since the NBA/ABA merger.

TO say its JUST because of his race is ABSURD.

In other words. He had the most statistically prolific start to a career in HISTORY. And did it in the biggest media market in the world.

I dont understand how people are STILL downplaying his accomplishments, however limited they are. [/quote]

It’s only a MAMMOTH story because of his race. If a black player had done the exact same thing as Lin, the world wouldn’t be going nuts.

[/quote]

Thats silly.

Anyone who posts the BEST START TO A CAREER in HISTORY that has an identical backstory is going to get national attention. How is it possible to think otherwise? What precendent is there to believe otherwise?? Youre making a baseless assumption. [/quote]

National attention? who’s talking about national attention?

This story is blowing up WORLDWIDE.

I’ve never seen a player who has played as little as he has receiving this much attention. Have you seen in it baseball? A 2 week stretch of a player putting up big numbers in the regular season on a team that’s .500 receiving worldwide news coverage.

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“big numbers” unfairly downplays the reality. When the reality that he put up THE BEST SCORING NUMBERS EVER.

How little he’s played is a necessary by product of this being the START OF HIS CAREER. We’re talking about a nobody that came out of nowhere and dominated the competition to a degree that has never been done before. But yea, it’s because he’s asian. Come on. Get real.

Youre being thick.

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[quote]cct wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Samir wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

Side Rant: What’s the deal with racial pride in general?

Nobody chooses their race and you certainly do not earn it on merit. So why the fuck do people in general (orientals in this case) get all riled up when they see someone who kind of looks like them achieving something?

It’s not like Asians are being held out of the NBA cuz dey b Azn.

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I’m with you man - and I apply the same “pride” thinking to nationality and gender.

I kinda liked the Lin story because the kid was cut by two teams, undrafted and unheralded. Of course I’m not surprised people are making it about race, but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying it. See the kid against Toronto? Everyone in the building knew a 3 was coming, and they still couldn’t stop him. I love the cojones on the kid.

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LOL at people in the “social majority” not getting racial pride in a racially anharmonic society.

Race pride was needed in America due to the drastic steps taken for generations to degrade others based ONLY on race.

In 200 years it will likely not exist because it will lose its relevance…but to not understand its significance now is retarded and just shows an inability to show any empathy at all to the situations of others.[/quote]

Well said, prof X. I also agree with raj, since I think about the future. 200 years? I think try 20 years.

Lin was definitely undrafted due to racism. His good performance was statistically predicted before the draft.

I judge everyone without bias. I don’t support Lin because I do not identify with his interests or personality. But I do see that he is a good player and was unfairly overlooked, and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys. There is no irony in that.[/quote

What the fuck are you talking about? I’ve already said why he went undrafted, and it had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with his being Asian. And who “statistically predicted his good performance before the draft”? I’ve already addressed that as well, and he was deemed a little slow, a little too unathletic and had too unreliable a jumper to be a contributor, let alone starter, in the league. Nothing you’ve written had made any sense.

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A few thoughts:

First, to pretend the news coverage has nothing to do with his being Asian is to be blind and in denial. There can be no reasonable denial that his race has nothing to do with the coverage this is receiving. As an Asian NBA player, he’s a bit of a novelty, Yao Ming notwithstanding. The foregoing is not to echo Mayweather, because the context Mayweather made his statement is just ignorant and stupid. A few things, among race, have factored into the explosion of coverage; they have won what…7 in a row? They won without their two studs. They are doing it in NYC market (major media market). As a former D-leaguer and end of the bench player, he’s a relative unknown. He’s undrafted. Race has been contributory, but it doesn’t explain the entire dynamic and it’s not fair to his performance.

As a veteran of more than one NBA team and the D-league, Lin has been evaluated by many a better evaluator of talent than we have here on ol TNation and in essence, they passed on the kid. What’s my point? My point is, don’t be surprised if he’s not a starting PG next year. He can be a liability on defense and he’s turnover prone. No one just “appears” on the NBA scene out of nowhere. He belongs, but I’m not sure he’s a full-time starter over his career. I’d be very surprised if he can maintain this product over the course of the season and moreover, the course of a regular season (next year).

His “production” that many are mentioning I think needs to be evaluated against the following; it’s an insane schedule. He’s fresh. Many teams and players are dinged up and injured. No one has really had time to evaluate him and adjust. The general play in the NBA right now is not high. Teams are damn near playing every single night. Defense is not high. And the points he has put up have come in the absence of the team’s two biggest stars. None of this is to make light of what he did - you cannot score that many points in an NBA game from the guard position and not be a player. I’m just bringing some perspective to the whole deal and I think his production has an asterisk.

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Biggest misinformed statement here:

He was not drafted due to racism.

Let me tell you something; the NBA desperately wants diversity and it desperately wants an Asian market (a huge market) and increase white viewership (the viewership they lost when Bird, Boston, et als retired). If you can play, you WILL be drafted. In fact, if you can play, and your ethnic background is not black, you might actually have an advantage.

The NBA is extremely image conscious and political. Don’t think it has been beyond an NBA team to keep a marginal white player because he’s white. And don’t think it’s beyond the league to blackball players that can still play, but not quite at the high level that made putting up with them prior doable (see Iverson, et als.)

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This thread is blowing up nearly as fast as Lin himself.

Haha let me get off work before I jump into this conversation.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
OK. I never heard of him before this week.
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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
This thread is blowing up nearly as fast as Lin himself.

Haha let me get off work before I jump into this conversation.[/quote]

The weekend already? Damn you! lol

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

You can put a black kid in a good neighborhood with a good school and he might become a better test taker and become more intelligent and better educated.

You can’t put a white kid in a black neighborhood and assume he’ll become faster or more athletic.

[/quote]

I deleted that stuff because most of it is something I agree with to a degree. That theres more to why some people become quarterback than just skin color.

But this quote is relying on a pretty bold assumption. An assumption that pops up on this board every now and then. You assume that white kids in ‘white neighborhoods’ (your use of black/white and bad/good interchangibly makes this whole discussion entirely too broad btw) reach their maximum athletic potential. I dont think this is the case 100% of the time.

In fact, I think that second sentence is unequivocally wrong. Not ALWAYS wrong. But certainly not always right. It’s certainly not a fact.

I dont even get how you can try to pass that off as a fact. Youve already acknowledged that the level of competition someone is exposed to has an impact on their ability. WHy WOULDNT it hold true that a white kid competing against the best atheltes, regardless of their color, would develop better skills or come closer to his max potential than the white kid competing against shitty atheles (regardless of their color)?

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All I’m saying is that a person’s aptitude to learn can be better maximized with good schools and teachers.

The ratio of fast twitch muscle fibres to slow twitch muscle fibres in your body, your height, arm length, and or hand size does not change based on what neighborhood you grow up in.

Your sport specific skills and coordination may get maximized with better competition, but your inherent athletic ability is a consistent variable, it won’t change with surroundings. [/quote]

Inherent athletic ability is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good skill position player. The same way intelligence is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good QB.

I obviously know that you dont get taller once you stop growing. Youre missing the point. Your statements are myopic. [/quote]

My point was that white players fail to compete at secondary and wide reciever positions because of a lack of quickness and speed so my argument is both direct and sound based on my post.

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I’m not going to even read half the bull shit in here.

J Lin is playing great. Let’s go Knicks, let’s go NY. It’s starting to look like a team over there.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
As an Asian NBA player, he’s a bit of a novelty, Yao Ming notwithstanding. [/quote]

I’m amazed by his press coverage. I though Yao had “been there, done that” a long time before Lin.

I guess I don’t care that Lin’s getting all this coverage (meaning good for him and hope it doesn’t go to his head) - but is what he’s doing on the court that amazing? Relatively to other kids his age in or out of the NBA (meaning in other national leagues globally).

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[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

You can put a black kid in a good neighborhood with a good school and he might become a better test taker and become more intelligent and better educated.

You can’t put a white kid in a black neighborhood and assume he’ll become faster or more athletic.

[/quote]

I deleted that stuff because most of it is something I agree with to a degree. That theres more to why some people become quarterback than just skin color.

But this quote is relying on a pretty bold assumption. An assumption that pops up on this board every now and then. You assume that white kids in ‘white neighborhoods’ (your use of black/white and bad/good interchangibly makes this whole discussion entirely too broad btw) reach their maximum athletic potential. I dont think this is the case 100% of the time.

In fact, I think that second sentence is unequivocally wrong. Not ALWAYS wrong. But certainly not always right. It’s certainly not a fact.

I dont even get how you can try to pass that off as a fact. Youve already acknowledged that the level of competition someone is exposed to has an impact on their ability. WHy WOULDNT it hold true that a white kid competing against the best atheltes, regardless of their color, would develop better skills or come closer to his max potential than the white kid competing against shitty atheles (regardless of their color)?

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All I’m saying is that a person’s aptitude to learn can be better maximized with good schools and teachers.

The ratio of fast twitch muscle fibres to slow twitch muscle fibres in your body, your height, arm length, and or hand size does not change based on what neighborhood you grow up in.

Your sport specific skills and coordination may get maximized with better competition, but your inherent athletic ability is a consistent variable, it won’t change with surroundings. [/quote]

Inherent athletic ability is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good skill position player. The same way intelligence is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good QB.

I obviously know that you dont get taller once you stop growing. Youre missing the point. Your statements are myopic. [/quote]

My point was that white players fail to compete at secondary and wide reciever positions because of a lack of quickness and speed so my argument is both direct and sound based on my post. [/quote]

If that was all you were trying to say there wouldnt have been a 10 post exchange. You said much more.

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[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
As an Asian NBA player, he’s a bit of a novelty, Yao Ming notwithstanding. [/quote]

I’m amazed by his press coverage. I though Yao had “been there, done that” a long time before Lin.

I guess I don’t care that Lin’s getting all this coverage (meaning good for him and hope it doesn’t go to his head) - but is what he’s doing on the court that amazing? Relatively to other kids his age in or out of the NBA (meaning in other national leagues globally).[/quote]

Depends on your definition of amazing.

If setting the scoring record for the first 5 starts of a career is considered amazing, then yes. If doing that as an undrafted no burn 2nd year player that didnt get a single division I scholarship offer adds to that, then yes, it’s amazing.

Im not a big basketball fan, but as a New Yorker this guy is shoved in my face. Meaning I at least know what’s going on when Im posting. If you cant watch him play, at least look at the stat sheets…