Jeremy Lin

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

You can put a black kid in a good neighborhood with a good school and he might become a better test taker and become more intelligent and better educated.

You can’t put a white kid in a black neighborhood and assume he’ll become faster or more athletic.

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I deleted that stuff because most of it is something I agree with to a degree. That theres more to why some people become quarterback than just skin color.

But this quote is relying on a pretty bold assumption. An assumption that pops up on this board every now and then. You assume that white kids in ‘white neighborhoods’ (your use of black/white and bad/good interchangibly makes this whole discussion entirely too broad btw) reach their maximum athletic potential. I dont think this is the case 100% of the time.

In fact, I think that second sentence is unequivocally wrong. Not ALWAYS wrong. But certainly not always right. It’s certainly not a fact.

I dont even get how you can try to pass that off as a fact. Youve already acknowledged that the level of competition someone is exposed to has an impact on their ability. WHy WOULDNT it hold true that a white kid competing against the best atheltes, regardless of their color, would develop better skills or come closer to his max potential than the white kid competing against shitty atheles (regardless of their color)?
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Because it’s “racist” to think that some races are inherently smarter than others, but not racist to think certain races are genetically better at physical feats than others. Go figure. [/quote]

It is only racist to assume one race is more intelligent than another because so many other factors determine if that person even has the opportunity to tap into their learning potential.

If you are blessed with a natural extremely high level of intelligence unless you are raised in an environment that will nurture your talent and allow it flourish you may not even be able to realize any of your potential.

Yet with athleticism it doesn’t matter where you’re from or who you are, if you’re fast, strong, quick, and or can jump simply participating in a sport will display your talent and someone will take notice whether it’s a coach, scout, or whomever.

Sadly, educational pursuits fall by the wayside in every type of neighborhood and situations.
If often takes someone to push a person to realize their potential as a student, whether it’s parent, teacher, friend, or family member.

Usually only the genius level of students are found despite a lack of effort or interest in school just through standardized testing. The in-betweeners or above-average students are often lost in the shuffle for whatever reason unfortunately.

Plus, come on fellas, look at the 100 meter dash in the Olympics or NFL Combine stats from players over the past 15 years. I’m not spitting nonsense here guys.

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[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
As an Asian NBA player, he’s a bit of a novelty, Yao Ming notwithstanding. [/quote]

I’m amazed by his press coverage. I though Yao had “been there, done that” a long time before Lin.

I guess I don’t care that Lin’s getting all this coverage (meaning good for him and hope it doesn’t go to his head) - but is what he’s doing on the court that amazing? Relatively to other kids his age in or out of the NBA (meaning in other national leagues globally).[/quote]

yao was never in the same situation as Lin. Yao was already sort of a star in his own rights, while Lin was undrafted, cut by two teams, sent to the D league, hardly anyone knew who he was. and he came up BIG, when an opportunity was presented to him.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

You can put a black kid in a good neighborhood with a good school and he might become a better test taker and become more intelligent and better educated.

You can’t put a white kid in a black neighborhood and assume he’ll become faster or more athletic.

[/quote]

I deleted that stuff because most of it is something I agree with to a degree. That theres more to why some people become quarterback than just skin color.

But this quote is relying on a pretty bold assumption. An assumption that pops up on this board every now and then. You assume that white kids in ‘white neighborhoods’ (your use of black/white and bad/good interchangibly makes this whole discussion entirely too broad btw) reach their maximum athletic potential. I dont think this is the case 100% of the time.

In fact, I think that second sentence is unequivocally wrong. Not ALWAYS wrong. But certainly not always right. It’s certainly not a fact.

I dont even get how you can try to pass that off as a fact. Youve already acknowledged that the level of competition someone is exposed to has an impact on their ability. WHy WOULDNT it hold true that a white kid competing against the best atheltes, regardless of their color, would develop better skills or come closer to his max potential than the white kid competing against shitty atheles (regardless of their color)?

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All I’m saying is that a person’s aptitude to learn can be better maximized with good schools and teachers.

The ratio of fast twitch muscle fibres to slow twitch muscle fibres in your body, your height, arm length, and or hand size does not change based on what neighborhood you grow up in.

Your sport specific skills and coordination may get maximized with better competition, but your inherent athletic ability is a consistent variable, it won’t change with surroundings. [/quote]

Inherent athletic ability is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good skill position player. The same way intelligence is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good QB.

I obviously know that you dont get taller once you stop growing. Youre missing the point. Your statements are myopic. [/quote]

My point was that white players fail to compete at secondary and wide reciever positions because of a lack of quickness and speed so my argument is both direct and sound based on my post. [/quote]

If that was all you were trying to say there wouldnt have been a 10 post exchange. You said much more. [/quote]

I thought we had focused the discussion from the QB debate to wide recievers and secondary players in the NFL along with athletic ability.

It seemed we had come to some level of agreement on the QB issue.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Samir wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

Side Rant: What’s the deal with racial pride in general?

Nobody chooses their race and you certainly do not earn it on merit. So why the fuck do people in general (orientals in this case) get all riled up when they see someone who kind of looks like them achieving something?

It’s not like Asians are being held out of the NBA cuz dey b Azn.

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I’m with you man - and I apply the same “pride” thinking to nationality and gender.

I kinda liked the Lin story because the kid was cut by two teams, undrafted and unheralded. Of course I’m not surprised people are making it about race, but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying it. See the kid against Toronto? Everyone in the building knew a 3 was coming, and they still couldn’t stop him. I love the cojones on the kid.

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LOL at people in the “social majority” not getting racial pride in a racially anharmonic society.

Race pride was needed in America due to the drastic steps taken for generations to degrade others based ONLY on race.

In 200 years it will likely not exist because it will lose its relevance…but to not understand its significance now is retarded and just shows an inability to show any empathy at all to the situations of others.[/quote]

I’m not in the social majority and I’m not talking about its significance in history.

I’m asking why today in modern America/Canada people draw so much pride from their race?

Shit I’ll give you an example from my own life. When Slum Dog Millionaire was blowing up I was told by a few people I should be very proud of how well that movie did in the box office. I don’t particularly understand why I didn’t play any part in the making of the movie…is it because they sort’ve look like me? LOL. It’s cool as shit but I don’t feel pride.

I would argue a person’s pride is a component of their self worth. So is any of your self worth contingent on people who have similar racial makeups as you?

There’s nothing wrong with it, I just don’t particularly understand why people make a huge deal out of it.

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I apologize, I misunderstood your original post.

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[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

Yet with athleticism it doesn’t matter where you’re from or who you are, if you’re fast, strong, quick, and or can jump simply participating in a sport will display your talent and someone will take notice whether it’s a coach, scout, or whomever.

Sadly, educational pursuits fall by the wayside in every type of neighborhood and situations.
If often takes someone to push a person to realize their potential as a student, whether it’s parent, teacher, friend, or family member.

[/quote]

You still dont see the contradiction/bias that Ive pointed out more than once.

Take 7year old Mike Vick. Sit him down in front of a tv with a nintendo, bag of cookies and a bottle of soda. Do that every day until he’s 20. He’s never touched a football or run around with friends. He’s not going to be able to walk onto a football field and run a 4.4.

You dont just randomly wind up as an elite athlete. That shit takes cultivation, THE EXACT SAME WAY AN EDUCATION DOES.

Please try and put your obvious bias aside and see this from a rational perspective.

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[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

You can put a black kid in a good neighborhood with a good school and he might become a better test taker and become more intelligent and better educated.

You can’t put a white kid in a black neighborhood and assume he’ll become faster or more athletic.

[/quote]

I deleted that stuff because most of it is something I agree with to a degree. That theres more to why some people become quarterback than just skin color.

But this quote is relying on a pretty bold assumption. An assumption that pops up on this board every now and then. You assume that white kids in ‘white neighborhoods’ (your use of black/white and bad/good interchangibly makes this whole discussion entirely too broad btw) reach their maximum athletic potential. I dont think this is the case 100% of the time.

In fact, I think that second sentence is unequivocally wrong. Not ALWAYS wrong. But certainly not always right. It’s certainly not a fact.

I dont even get how you can try to pass that off as a fact. Youve already acknowledged that the level of competition someone is exposed to has an impact on their ability. WHy WOULDNT it hold true that a white kid competing against the best atheltes, regardless of their color, would develop better skills or come closer to his max potential than the white kid competing against shitty atheles (regardless of their color)?

[/quote]

All I’m saying is that a person’s aptitude to learn can be better maximized with good schools and teachers.

The ratio of fast twitch muscle fibres to slow twitch muscle fibres in your body, your height, arm length, and or hand size does not change based on what neighborhood you grow up in.

Your sport specific skills and coordination may get maximized with better competition, but your inherent athletic ability is a consistent variable, it won’t change with surroundings. [/quote]

Inherent athletic ability is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good skill position player. The same way intelligence is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good QB.

I obviously know that you dont get taller once you stop growing. Youre missing the point. Your statements are myopic. [/quote]

My point was that white players fail to compete at secondary and wide reciever positions because of a lack of quickness and speed so my argument is both direct and sound based on my post. [/quote]

If that was all you were trying to say there wouldnt have been a 10 post exchange. You said much more. [/quote]

I thought we had focused the discussion from the QB debate to wide recievers and secondary players in the NFL along with athletic ability.

It seemed we had come to some level of agreement on the QB issue. [/quote]

Yeah, that a single attribute is not the sole factor in who gets chosen to play a specific position.

Your comments about athletic dominance just happens while intelligence MUST be developed is what I take issue with. Youre simply wrong about that. The two attributes share more similarities than differences, in the context of this topic.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

Yet with athleticism it doesn’t matter where you’re from or who you are, if you’re fast, strong, quick, and or can jump simply participating in a sport will display your talent and someone will take notice whether it’s a coach, scout, or whomever.

Sadly, educational pursuits fall by the wayside in every type of neighborhood and situations.
If often takes someone to push a person to realize their potential as a student, whether it’s parent, teacher, friend, or family member.

[/quote]

You still dont see the contradiction/bias that Ive pointed out more than once.

Take 7year old Mike Vick. Sit him down in front of a tv with a nintendo, bag of cookies and a bottle of soda. Do that every day until he’s 20. He’s never touched a football or run around with friends. He’s not going to be able to walk onto a football field and run a 4.4.

You dont just randomly wind up as an elite athlete. That shit takes cultivation, THE EXACT SAME WAY AN EDUCATION DOES.

Please try and put your obvious bias aside and see this from a rational perspective. [/quote]

There is no bias and your scenario is extreme and irrational.

What if Tom Brady played water polo? What if Larry Bird’s dad died and he had to work in high school instead of play basktball? What if Pete Maravich’s dad wanted him to play tennis?

If you pursue athletics and you are fast, you are fast, if you are quick, you are quick, if you can jump, you can jump. Numbers don’t lie and game film doesn’t lie.

As much as sports performance schools would like you to think, there is a cap on your athletic ability in these areas based on your genetics.

More often than not, the cap for black athletes is higher than whites leading to them being more successful at secondary and wide reciever positions the majority of the time.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

You can put a black kid in a good neighborhood with a good school and he might become a better test taker and become more intelligent and better educated.

You can’t put a white kid in a black neighborhood and assume he’ll become faster or more athletic.

[/quote]

I deleted that stuff because most of it is something I agree with to a degree. That theres more to why some people become quarterback than just skin color.

But this quote is relying on a pretty bold assumption. An assumption that pops up on this board every now and then. You assume that white kids in ‘white neighborhoods’ (your use of black/white and bad/good interchangibly makes this whole discussion entirely too broad btw) reach their maximum athletic potential. I dont think this is the case 100% of the time.

In fact, I think that second sentence is unequivocally wrong. Not ALWAYS wrong. But certainly not always right. It’s certainly not a fact.

I dont even get how you can try to pass that off as a fact. Youve already acknowledged that the level of competition someone is exposed to has an impact on their ability. WHy WOULDNT it hold true that a white kid competing against the best atheltes, regardless of their color, would develop better skills or come closer to his max potential than the white kid competing against shitty atheles (regardless of their color)?

[/quote]

All I’m saying is that a person’s aptitude to learn can be better maximized with good schools and teachers.

The ratio of fast twitch muscle fibres to slow twitch muscle fibres in your body, your height, arm length, and or hand size does not change based on what neighborhood you grow up in.

Your sport specific skills and coordination may get maximized with better competition, but your inherent athletic ability is a consistent variable, it won’t change with surroundings. [/quote]

Inherent athletic ability is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good skill position player. The same way intelligence is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good QB.

I obviously know that you dont get taller once you stop growing. Youre missing the point. Your statements are myopic. [/quote]

My point was that white players fail to compete at secondary and wide reciever positions because of a lack of quickness and speed so my argument is both direct and sound based on my post. [/quote]

If that was all you were trying to say there wouldnt have been a 10 post exchange. You said much more. [/quote]

I thought we had focused the discussion from the QB debate to wide recievers and secondary players in the NFL along with athletic ability.

It seemed we had come to some level of agreement on the QB issue. [/quote]

Yeah, that a single attribute is not the sole factor in who gets chosen to play a specific position.

Your comments about athletic dominance just happens while intelligence MUST be developed is what I take issue with. Youre simply wrong about that. The two attributes share more similarities than differences, in the context of this topic. [/quote]

At wide reciever and secondary positions quickness and speed, straight ahead and side to side, are EXTREMELY important in being successfull in the NFL.

You play youth sports your athleticism will come to the forefront. A good athlete can get away with simply being athletic through high school and college, but will soon face the need to develop his game.

You go to junior high and high school, unless someone pushes you to excel in your studies or you have a natrual interest in education your talent may go unnoticed until you take the SATs or ACTs and it will only be noticed if you’re a genius.

The above-average and in-betweeners get lost, because they didn’t learn along the way and are too far behind to realize their potential for whatever reason.

BASICALLY, I am relating black’s natural athletic ability to micro evolution due to climate. Your brain does not adapt to climate in either direction, but your muscle fibres, amount of free testosterone and GH, height, and limb structure do.

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[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
As an Asian NBA player, he’s a bit of a novelty, Yao Ming notwithstanding. [/quote]

I’m amazed by his press coverage. I though Yao had “been there, done that” a long time before Lin.

I guess I don’t care that Lin’s getting all this coverage (meaning good for him and hope it doesn’t go to his head) - but is what he’s doing on the court that amazing? Relatively to other kids his age in or out of the NBA (meaning in other national leagues globally).[/quote]

To me it’s really good but far from out of this world amazing as it’s being portrayed. Google “regression to the mean”

scj119 gave a great example in the NBA thread:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

I’m saying plenty of mediocre players have had huge 5 game stretches and there needs to be some fucking reality checks about what this outburst means. It’s like when Brandon Jennings scored 55pts and everyone thought he was a great shooter even after he followed that with two straight years of FG shooting below 40%.

[/quote]

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I read LinkedIn’s news pages daily, the first I heard of Lin was this article that seems to be circulating.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Samir wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

Side Rant: What’s the deal with racial pride in general?

Nobody chooses their race and you certainly do not earn it on merit. So why the fuck do people in general (orientals in this case) get all riled up when they see someone who kind of looks like them achieving something?

It’s not like Asians are being held out of the NBA cuz dey b Azn.

[/quote]
I’m with you man - and I apply the same “pride” thinking to nationality and gender.

I kinda liked the Lin story because the kid was cut by two teams, undrafted and unheralded. Of course I’m not surprised people are making it about race, but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying it. See the kid against Toronto? Everyone in the building knew a 3 was coming, and they still couldn’t stop him. I love the cojones on the kid.

[/quote]

LOL at people in the “social majority” not getting racial pride in a racially anharmonic society.

Race pride was needed in America due to the drastic steps taken for generations to degrade others based ONLY on race.

In 200 years it will likely not exist because it will lose its relevance…but to not understand its significance now is retarded and just shows an inability to show any empathy at all to the situations of others.[/quote]

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When you’re attacked as a group, it’s only natural that you will respond as a group. Asians are looked at as being non-athletic, so when an Asian does well in a sport, a jump in racial pride is expected. You can’t do anything about your race, and being told over and over that you’re limited in some aspect because of that fact can make one insecure. You start to limit yourself based on what others tell you. So, when an Asian kicks ass at basketball, or when a white guy wins the 100m dash, or when a black guy becomes president, it knocks down a part of this wall separating the races. Don’t look at this like it’s a bunch of Asians having a circle-jerk over one good Asian basketball player, look at it like a massive release of racial tension. The ones that act like the biggest douches over it are the ones hurting the most. [/quote]

Good post.

Look how long it took for an Asian to stand out among the big boyz in bodybuilding…and I don’t think one has been top 5 yet.

For years growing up I heard Asians couldn’t get big…often from other Asians. It takes that group pride to break negative stereotypes.[/quote]

I agree. I would not be too surprised if we will see a few more Asian-Americans killing it in the NBA. Now that they know it is possible…
It’s like breaking the 4 minute mile. Couldn’t be done, right? Well it did and voila, within the year several men had done it. Didn’t they used to say blacks wouldn’t make it in college, not smart enough? And then the first one graduates and becomes a physician/pilot/business man/attorney etc etc. All of a sudden as a group there is pride and belief that more things are possible. Even becoming the leader of the free world :slight_smile:

We’ll see more Asian Americans in the NBA as starters pretty soon.

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[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

If you pursue athletics and you are fast, you are fast, if you are quick, you are quick, if you can jump, you can jump. Numbers don’t lie and game film doesn’t lie.

As much as sports performance schools would like you to think, there is a cap on your athletic ability in these areas based on your genetics.

[/quote]

If you pursue education and are smart, hard working, punctual, adaptable, etc

Youre simply wrong to not acknowledge that this is two sides of the same coin.

Im done. Enjoy your prejudice. Whatever helps you sleep better at night I guess.

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[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

You can put a black kid in a good neighborhood with a good school and he might become a better test taker and become more intelligent and better educated.

You can’t put a white kid in a black neighborhood and assume he’ll become faster or more athletic.

[/quote]

I deleted that stuff because most of it is something I agree with to a degree. That theres more to why some people become quarterback than just skin color.

But this quote is relying on a pretty bold assumption. An assumption that pops up on this board every now and then. You assume that white kids in ‘white neighborhoods’ (your use of black/white and bad/good interchangibly makes this whole discussion entirely too broad btw) reach their maximum athletic potential. I dont think this is the case 100% of the time.

In fact, I think that second sentence is unequivocally wrong. Not ALWAYS wrong. But certainly not always right. It’s certainly not a fact.

I dont even get how you can try to pass that off as a fact. Youve already acknowledged that the level of competition someone is exposed to has an impact on their ability. WHy WOULDNT it hold true that a white kid competing against the best atheltes, regardless of their color, would develop better skills or come closer to his max potential than the white kid competing against shitty atheles (regardless of their color)?

[/quote]

All I’m saying is that a person’s aptitude to learn can be better maximized with good schools and teachers.

The ratio of fast twitch muscle fibres to slow twitch muscle fibres in your body, your height, arm length, and or hand size does not change based on what neighborhood you grow up in.

Your sport specific skills and coordination may get maximized with better competition, but your inherent athletic ability is a consistent variable, it won’t change with surroundings. [/quote]

Inherent athletic ability is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good skill position player. The same way intelligence is not the ONLY thing that goes into what makes a good QB.

I obviously know that you dont get taller once you stop growing. Youre missing the point. Your statements are myopic. [/quote]

My point was that white players fail to compete at secondary and wide reciever positions because of a lack of quickness and speed so my argument is both direct and sound based on my post. [/quote]

If that was all you were trying to say there wouldnt have been a 10 post exchange. You said much more. [/quote]

I thought we had focused the discussion from the QB debate to wide recievers and secondary players in the NFL along with athletic ability.

It seemed we had come to some level of agreement on the QB issue. [/quote]

Yeah, that a single attribute is not the sole factor in who gets chosen to play a specific position.

Your comments about athletic dominance just happens while intelligence MUST be developed is what I take issue with. Youre simply wrong about that. The two attributes share more similarities than differences, in the context of this topic. [/quote]

At wide reciever and secondary positions quickness and speed, straight ahead and side to side, are EXTREMELY important in being successfull in the NFL.

You play youth sports your athleticism will come to the forefront. A good athlete can get away with simply being athletic through high school and college, but will soon face the need to develop his game.

You go to junior high and high school, unless someone pushes you to excel in your studies or you have a natrual interest in education your talent may go unnoticed until you take the SATs or ACTs and it will only be noticed if you’re a genius. [/quote]

Bull fucking shit. At this point I have to question whether you even went to school or not.

The exact same thing can be said for education. Jesus christ.

[quote]

BASICALLY, I am relating black’s natural athletic ability to micro evolution due to climate. Your brain does not adapt to climate in either direction, but your muscle fibres, amount of free testosterone and GH, height, and limb structure do. [/quote]

hahahhahahahhahahhahahha

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A natural interest in education? Really?

You really said those words and expect to be taken seriously. Mazin.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

If you pursue athletics and you are fast, you are fast, if you are quick, you are quick, if you can jump, you can jump. Numbers don’t lie and game film doesn’t lie.

As much as sports performance schools would like you to think, there is a cap on your athletic ability in these areas based on your genetics.

[/quote]

If you pursue education and are smart, hard working, punctual, adaptable, etc

Youre simply wrong to not acknowledge that this is two sides of the same coin.

Im done. Enjoy your prejudice. Whatever helps you sleep better at night I guess. [/quote]

If you’re fast and you don’t play sports growing up and lead a normal or average lifestyle, you step on the field for freshman football tryouts you’ll still be fast.

If you’re smart and you go to class, but you don’t do your homework or study outside of class you will struggle your freshman year of high school, you’ll have to catch up in terms of facts and information.

Athleticism exists in of itself, but even if you have a genius level IQ somebody has to teach you before you learn anything.

Running, jumping, and quickness are natural functions of the human body (calculus is not) and if you’re blessed with strong ability in these areas it will show whenever you play sports despite your level of interest in athletics, disregarding your sedentary lifestyle scenario which is extreme and invalid. “What if Albert Einstein was raised by wolves?”

Stop with the personal attacks. I’m not prejudice, you’re in denial, and you’re getting frustrated because you’re realizing you’re wrong. Peace.

P.S. Natural interests in math, art, and science exist. People are drawn to what interests them based on how their brain processes information.

If you don’t believe in micro-evolution you are really living in a fantasy.

Look at the different sources of energy that exist for the different muscle fibre types and how humidity, heat, cold, and elevation affects which source is more readily available in the body.

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If you are driven and push yourself in school and achieve a high level of education, your aptitude for learning will determine how hard you would have to work to do this, it doesn’t determine whether or not you can. Finances, time, different priorities, guidance, etc., can determine whether you can.

If you are driven and push yourself in sports, your athletic ability will determine how hard you have to work, but in certain sports and positions therein it can determine how far you go regardless of the amount of money, time, or effort you invest in yourself.

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Okay, there’s a lot of shit in here not even worthy of discussion and certainly not elaboration. I’m going to out everything cct has said into that category.

I love how the topic of Jeremy Lin has evolved into a commentary on race and athletic ability. I don’t know if it’s just me but I’m mainly choosing to look at it from a simple, enjoy-the-moment perspective. Lin’s story is remarkable and worthy of all the “hype” it’s getting. This isn’t media propaganda being fed to the public, people are genuinely fascinated in what this guy is doing. And it’s exciting because people don’t know what’s going to happen next.

We’re talking about an undrafted, unknown Asian-American basketball player taking a under-achieving Knicks team, (one of the most popular franchises on the planet) on his back and winning. It’s so crazy that you can’t help but pay attention. So with that being said, yes, race has been a factor in this entire story. He’s captivating people, particularly Asians around the world because there has never been an Asian player, with his physical attributes, succeed at the NBA level. It’s abnormal. So when you see this Asian guy cross over D-Will and get to the point for an and-one against 7-footers, as an Asian guy watching from Taipei you do feel inspired and proud. If the NBA was like 20% Asian and Lin started doing his thing, people wouldn’t care to the capacity they do now. He’d still get press as being a Harvard grad, cut from 2 teams torching opposing NBA sides but you wouldn’t see as many Asians girls holding up ‘Marry Me’ signs like now.

On the topic of him being undrafted because of his race I defer judgement. I don’t think he was over-looked solely on him being Asian but I do think some teams and their GMs gave him a unfair or rushed evaluation (because of his race).

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You guys are fucking retarded plane and simple…

Fucking idiots talking about black athletes…

Fuck You, dead ass.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Biggest misinformed statement here:

He was not drafted due to racism.

Let me tell you something; the NBA desperately wants diversity and it desperately wants an Asian market (a huge market) and increase white viewership (the viewership they lost when Bird, Boston, et als retired). If you can play, you WILL be drafted. In fact, if you can play, and your ethnic background is not black, you might actually have an advantage.

The NBA is extremely image conscious and political. Don’t think it has been beyond an NBA team to keep a marginal white player because he’s white. And don’t think it’s beyond the league to blackball players that can still play, but not quite at the high level that made putting up with them prior doable (see Iverson, et als.)[/quote]

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Exactly - the NBA is a business. Why on earth would you not want to get your business into the biggest market in the world - China.