Jeremy Lin

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

Side Rant: What’s the deal with racial pride in general?

Nobody chooses their race and you certainly do not earn it on merit. So why the fuck do people in general (orientals in this case) get all riled up when they see someone who kind of looks like them achieving something?

It’s not like Asians are being held out of the NBA cuz dey b Azn.

“Hey his food is spiced the same way mine is! Go Lin!!!”

Edit: The lack of pride does not imply shame
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That was pretty racist, your intent may have been humor and I recognize that, but an Asian would hav every right to be offended.

Racial pride is simply rooted in human’s tribal mentality. We all want to find and relate to people who see the world the same way we do and people see them the same way they see us. [/quote]

lol - And how is that racist?

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You singled out Asians for taking pride in their acclompishments. All races and nationalities do that, look at the Olympics. Haha

The food spice comment also could have been misinterpreted. [/quote]

He singled out asians because that’s what the thread is about lol.

That part wasnt racist IMO. Every racial group feels a sense of pride when someone does something uncommon.

The word ‘oriental’, however, is a politically incorrect if not racist term. Not sure if that’s how things are taught in Canada.

Rugs can be oriental. Silk can be oriental. PEOPLE from China, for example, are Asian. [/quote]

Asian is an ineffective term, it covers a whole continent.

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East Asian. Fine.

The history of the word ‘Oriental’ (to describe a person) makes it politically incorrect. I didnt decide this. Use the word if you want, I dont care, Im just saying. It’s a word that you expect to hear out of a WWII vet’s mouth, not a 20 something with an education.

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WHile my comment about Canada was sarcastic, after a bit of reading it seems that Oriental is not an uncommon term in your country.

Fair enough.

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[quote]TigerTime wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Samir wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

Side Rant: What’s the deal with racial pride in general?

Nobody chooses their race and you certainly do not earn it on merit. So why the fuck do people in general (orientals in this case) get all riled up when they see someone who kind of looks like them achieving something?

It’s not like Asians are being held out of the NBA cuz dey b Azn.

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I’m with you man - and I apply the same “pride” thinking to nationality and gender.

I kinda liked the Lin story because the kid was cut by two teams, undrafted and unheralded. Of course I’m not surprised people are making it about race, but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying it. See the kid against Toronto? Everyone in the building knew a 3 was coming, and they still couldn’t stop him. I love the cojones on the kid.

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LOL at people in the “social majority” not getting racial pride in a racially anharmonic society.

Race pride was needed in America due to the drastic steps taken for generations to degrade others based ONLY on race.

In 200 years it will likely not exist because it will lose its relevance…but to not understand its significance now is retarded and just shows an inability to show any empathy at all to the situations of others.[/quote]

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When you’re attacked as a group, it’s only natural that you will respond as a group. Asians are looked at as being non-athletic, so when an Asian does well in a sport, a jump in racial pride is expected. You can’t do anything about your race, and being told over and over that you’re limited in some aspect because of that fact can make one insecure. You start to limit yourself based on what others tell you. So, when an Asian kicks ass at basketball, or when a white guy wins the 100m dash, or when a black guy becomes president, it knocks down a part of this wall separating the races. Don’t look at this like it’s a bunch of Asians having a circle-jerk over one good Asian basketball player, look at it like a massive release of racial tension. The ones that act like the biggest douches over it are the ones hurting the most. [/quote]

Good post.

Look how long it took for an Asian to stand out among the big boyz in bodybuilding…and I don’t think one has been top 5 yet.

For years growing up I heard Asians couldn’t get big…often from other Asians. It takes that group pride to break negative stereotypes.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Samir wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

Side Rant: What’s the deal with racial pride in general?

Nobody chooses their race and you certainly do not earn it on merit. So why the fuck do people in general (orientals in this case) get all riled up when they see someone who kind of looks like them achieving something?

It’s not like Asians are being held out of the NBA cuz dey b Azn.

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I’m with you man - and I apply the same “pride” thinking to nationality and gender.

I kinda liked the Lin story because the kid was cut by two teams, undrafted and unheralded. Of course I’m not surprised people are making it about race, but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying it. See the kid against Toronto? Everyone in the building knew a 3 was coming, and they still couldn’t stop him. I love the cojones on the kid.

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LOL at people in the “social majority” not getting racial pride in a racially anharmonic society.

Race pride was needed in America due to the drastic steps taken for generations to degrade others based ONLY on race.

In 200 years it will likely not exist because it will lose its relevance…but to not understand its significance now is retarded and just shows an inability to show any empathy at all to the situations of others.[/quote]

I’m not in the social majority and I’m not talking about its significance in history.

I’m asking why today in modern America/Canada people draw so much pride from their race?

Shit I’ll give you an example from my own life. When Slum Dog Millionaire was blowing up I was told by a few people I should be very proud of how well that movie did in the box office. I don’t particularly understand why I didn’t play any part in the making of the movie…is it because they sort’ve look like me? LOL. It’s cool as shit but I don’t feel pride.

I would argue a person’s pride is a component of their self worth. So is any of your self worth contingent on people who have similar racial makeups as you?

There’s nothing wrong with it, I just don’t particularly understand why people make a huge deal out of it.

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Like has been said, if you come from a race that gets negative stereotypes thrown at the group constantly, to think there will be no reaction during very public displays of that stereotype being blatantly broken is retarded and simply lacks empathy.

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It’s a great story and the kid deserves everything he gets.

Why people want to shit on something so positive, i’ll never understand.

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PX

With all due respect, are you seriously equating the civil rights movement in America to Jeremy Lin’s rise in basketball ?

Lesbi honest, Wang Zhizhi is the Asian Jackie Robinson, if you really want to get that asinine.

I’m gonna continue to enjoy it for what it is - not more, not less. If people want to make it about race, that’s up to them. All I see is a baller ballin’.

My grandfather was born in Bombay (now Mumbai) and moved to Karachi in 1949. I felt no inclination to see Slumdog Millionaire. To me it was just another lame-looking movie.

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[quote]Samir wrote:
PX

With all due respect, are you seriously equating the civil rights movement in America to Jeremy Lin’s rise in basketball ?

Lesbi honest, Wang Zhizhi is the Asian Jackie Robinson, if you really want to get that asinine.

I’m gonna continue to enjoy it for what it is - not more, not less. If people want to make it about race, that’s up to them. All I see is a baller ballin’. [/quote]

What? So the only time a race can celebrate something as a group is if it is on the level of the Civil Rights Movement?

Dude, blacks just started getting paid the same as whites in the late 80’s and 90’s. Exactly why do some of you see some line in the sand that indicates all racial prejudice ended on a specific date?

It is a gradual process to heal shit like that…and the only thing going on here is people finally realizing that an Asian just may be bad ass at basketball too.

Get the fuck over it.

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You totally missed the point.

The comparison you drew (Lin and Baskbetball vs. Civil Rights) is so out-of-line it borders on hilarity.

One group striving for 200 years for equality, overcoming oppression, murder, discrimmination. Versus… One guy, who was a remarkable baller in college, it must be said, getting cut by two teams and making it big on the Knicks. For which we have no evidence that race played a part in the decision of those two teams.

You know, that’s kind of like an atom vs. Jupiter on a celestial scale.

Man, Kurt Warner had a great story. Supermarket stocker to Superbowl MVP in 1 YEAR. It reminds me of how the Jews escaped Egypt. - Example of your style of analogy and its absurdity.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Samir wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

Side Rant: What’s the deal with racial pride in general?

Nobody chooses their race and you certainly do not earn it on merit. So why the fuck do people in general (orientals in this case) get all riled up when they see someone who kind of looks like them achieving something?

It’s not like Asians are being held out of the NBA cuz dey b Azn.

[/quote]
I’m with you man - and I apply the same “pride” thinking to nationality and gender.

I kinda liked the Lin story because the kid was cut by two teams, undrafted and unheralded. Of course I’m not surprised people are making it about race, but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying it. See the kid against Toronto? Everyone in the building knew a 3 was coming, and they still couldn’t stop him. I love the cojones on the kid.

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LOL at people in the “social majority” not getting racial pride in a racially anharmonic society.

Race pride was needed in America due to the drastic steps taken for generations to degrade others based ONLY on race.

In 200 years it will likely not exist because it will lose its relevance…but to not understand its significance now is retarded and just shows an inability to show any empathy at all to the situations of others.[/quote]

Well said, prof X. I also agree with raj, since I think about the future. 200 years? I think try 20 years.

Lin was definitely undrafted due to racism. His good performance was statistically predicted before the draft.

I judge everyone without bias. I don’t support Lin because I do not identify with his interests or personality. But I do see that he is a good player and was unfairly overlooked, and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys. There is no irony in that.

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[quote]Samir wrote:
You totally missed the point.

The comparison you drew (Lin and Baskbetball vs. Civil Rights) is so out-of-line it borders on hilarity.

One group striving for 200 years for equality, overcoming oppression, murder, discrimmination. Versus… One guy, who was a remarkable baller in college, it must be said, getting cut by two teams and making it big on the Knicks. For which we have no evidence that race played a part in the decision of those two teams.

You know, that’s kind of like an atom vs. Jupiter on a celestial scale.

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And it’s not been about whether they should be allowed, it’s about why people derive the level of pride they do in modern times.

If every East Asian on the face of the planet wants to buy a Jeremy Lin jersey, I couldn’t care less.

I just see it as irrational to care so much about the achievement of members of your race and derive so much pride from it in 2012.

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[quote]Samir wrote:
You totally missed the point.

The comparison you drew (Lin and Baskbetball vs. Civil Rights) is so out-of-line it borders on hilarity.
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Uh, this was my comment

[quote]LOL at people in the “social majority” not getting racial pride in a racially anharmonic society.

Race pride was needed in America due to the drastic steps taken for generations to degrade others based ONLY on race.

In 200 years it will likely not exist because it will lose its relevance…but to not understand its significance now is retarded and just shows an inability to show any empathy at all to the situations of others.
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This was “hilarious” to you?

Why?

[quote]
One group striving for 200 years for equality, overcoming oppression, murder, discrimmination. Versus… One guy, who was a remarkable baller in college, it must be said, getting cut by two teams and making it big on the Knicks. For which we have no evidence that race played a part in the decision of those two teams.[/quote]

So, the concept of breaking racial stereotypes in a country HEAVILY racially biased for centuries is strange to you and you really think the point being made was to make it the same as Martin Luther King?

Dude, I can’t help it if your own comprehension is that basic.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

And it’s not been about whether they should be allowed, it’s about why people derive the level of pride they do in modern times.
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LOL @ “modern times”. Time is a progression, not a series of starts and stops. Since people still live and breath who remember the evil shit done to them, to expect pride in race to not exist in “modern times” is moronic at best.

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PX

No the concept is not alien to me. I did say I’m not surprised at all it is happening.

What surprised me is that you compared something as ASININE as a baller making the NBA to a race climbing to equality over 200 years.

It’s like you don’t even read my post.

The stakes on both sides are NOT comparable. Again: LIN - insignificant. CIVIL RIGHTS - significant.

LINSANITY- not surprising.

YOUR ANALOGY - surprising.

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[quote]Samir wrote:
You totally missed the point.

The comparison you drew (Lin and Baskbetball vs. Civil Rights) is so out-of-line it borders on hilarity.

One group striving for 200 years for equality, overcoming oppression, murder, discrimmination. Versus… One guy, who was a remarkable baller in college, it must be said, getting cut by two teams and making it big on the Knicks. For which we have no evidence that race played a part in the decision of those two teams.

You know, that’s kind of like an atom vs. Jupiter on a celestial scale.

Man, Kurt Warner had a great story. Supermarket stocker to Superbowl MVP in 1 YEAR. It reminds me of how the Jews escaped Egypt. - Example of your style of analogy and its absurdity.

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I’m pretty sure this was meant to be a comparison of kind, not of scale.

X compared this to civil rights because, for most Americans, it’s a relatable and comprehensive topic with parallels to the topic in question. That’s all.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Samir wrote:
You totally missed the point.

The comparison you drew (Lin and Baskbetball vs. Civil Rights) is so out-of-line it borders on hilarity.

One group striving for 200 years for equality, overcoming oppression, murder, discrimmination. Versus… One guy, who was a remarkable baller in college, it must be said, getting cut by two teams and making it big on the Knicks. For which we have no evidence that race played a part in the decision of those two teams.

You know, that’s kind of like an atom vs. Jupiter on a celestial scale.

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And it’s not been about whether they should be allowed, it’s about why people derive the level of pride they do in modern times.

If every East Asian on the face of the planet wants to buy a Jeremy Lin jersey, I couldn’t care less.

I just see it as irrational to care so much about the achievement of members of your race and derive so much pride from it in 2012.[/quote]

Right. Also Prof X is making a valid point about overcoming discrimination. Lin in basketball is not as big as the civil rights movement, but it’s still some substance. That said, there is no reason to be obsessed with the man just because of his race.

You all do realize that there really isn’t much of an argument. Whatever you’re saying are not mutually exclusive.

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[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really?

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or did you mean to emphasize the ‘asian fanboys’ part?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really? [/quote]

It’s only been a handful of games where he’s maintained this level of performance and he’s drawing worldwide headlines. It’s only a mammoth story because of his race.

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[quote]Samir wrote:
PX

No the concept is not alien to me. I did say I’m not surprised at all it is happening.

What surprised me is that you compared something as ASININE as a baller making the NBA to a race climbing to equality over 200 years.

It’s like you don’t even read my post.

The stakes on both sides are NOT comparable. Again: LIN - insignificant. CIVIL RIGHTS - significant.

LINSANITY- not surprising.

YOUR ANALOGY - surprising.

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Wow. Let’s see if you understand crayon.

Asians be all like “I missed the shot”. They be short and can’t get big either.

Oh hell, look, it’s a bad ass Asian in basketball.

Yay, we’re Asian…and the world can see we don’t suck at basketball! Let’s go get fruity Asian drinks and play techno music while buying hair gel that makes our hair stand on end!!

Debates with you suck. Please work on elevating that shit.

No one is comparing this directly to the Civil Rights movement. That is simply all you can see…because you don’t WANT to understand.

So be it.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really? [/quote]

It’s only been a handful of games where he’s maintained this level of performance and he’s drawing worldwide headlines. It’s only a mammoth story because of his race.[/quote]

“This level of performance” = something never been done before since the NBA/ABA merger.

To say its JUST because of his race is ABSURD.

In other words. He had the most statistically prolific start to a career in HISTORY. And did it in the biggest media market in the world.

I dont understand how people are STILL downplaying his accomplishments, however limited they are.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:
and that he was overhyped by Asian fanboys.[/quote]

Leaving everything else aside, as I have no interest in that stuff.

How is he overhyped?

Are you falling in line with Mayweather’s point of view on this? Really?

edit

or did you mean to emphasize the ‘asian fanboys’ part? [/quote]

Asian fanboys were saying how amazing he is before he even did anything. Mayweather is definitely down playing Lin’s achievements, but so is Lin himself.