[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I remember when many years ago, in an interview, regarding the lack of starting black quarterbacks in the NFL,
Charles Barkley said that there were lots of “bad” white quarterbacks starting why couldn’t there be som bad black quarterbacks starting in the league.
I agree with the sentiment of his argument.
I think if more white players were given the chance to start at positions dominated by blacks in professional sports, like point guards, cornerbacks, running backs, I think we would “discover” more than a few non-black athletes who would excel at those positions.
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The black quarterback argument is entirely different. Blacks historically and still currently were not given the chance to play quarterback in college or in the NFL and were judged on a double standard where their mistakes or shortcomings were more scrutinized than that of their white counterparts.
Whites are given every opportunity in the world to play and succeed in every position in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. At the high school level and college if a white person demonstrates the ability to be successful at a position he is given every opportunity to compete and prove himself, they are sometimes hyped up even more by the media and coaches in hopes that they will break the trend.
The fact that you don’t see them on the professional level is because ultimately someone else proved to be faster, stronger, or more athletic than them and more times than not it is an African American.
There is no double standard against white athletes, they are given every chance to compete, if they fail it’s because they aren’t that good.
For every Steve Nash there is an Adam Morrison. [/quote]
you are wrong.
but it would be pointless to argue with you, or anybody else on the internet.
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It’s not arguing, were having a discussion.
You cannot deny that from the 1970’s until now the landscape of the NBA and NFL changed to be predominately black because blacks proved to be more athletic. The reason that this dynamic has not changed is because that fact has not changed. It is not reverse racism. [/quote]
for every Donovan McNabb there are 3-4 Byron Leftwich’s.
I can do this all day.
I will not change your mind and you will not change mine.
You are right, though, it is a discussion not an argument, that’s cool as long as it stays that way. [/quote]
I actually think Donovan McNabb and Byron Leftwich are awful. Haha
The point I was trying to make about black quarterbacks is that there are unfair stereotypes about the character and intelligence about blacks at that position that prevent them from getting a fair chance.
Unlike the NBA or other NFL positions, whites face doubts about their speed or athletic ability, not their work ethic, these factors are natural abilities unlike intelligence or character which are greatly connected to a person’s socio-economic background.
There are numerous examples we could make for or against our arguments, but the fact I’m trying to make is that if whites demonstrate a high level of athletic ability they will be given a chance to succeed.
Assuming sight unseen that a black guy is faster than a white guy is not racism, it’s following facts and trends. If the white guy proves to be better he will play, if not, he won’t. [/quote]
Intelligence is absolutely a genetic trait.
I know plenty of rich kids that are dumb as bricks. And Im in law school right now with a handful of people that are far from even being middle class.
In addition. You are failing to consider the other side of the black quarterback issue.
Do as many black youths aspire to be quarterbacks? Or running backs or DE or WR. Is that becuse theyre told they CANT be quarterback or because they dont WANT to be quarterback.
You say that a raw 40 yard dash number is race neutral.
A Wonderlic Test score is also race neutral.
Quarterback A gets a 16 on the test.
QUaterback B gets 39.
Quarterback C also gets a 16.
Who do you draft? Obviously you dont make that decision based on the score alone. Just like you dont base a draft pick on a 40yd dash time alone. Other factors are at play.
QB A is Vince Young.
B is Eli Manning.
C is Dan Marino.
To say that blacks are systematically excluded from being QB by coaches is ignorant to the complexity of the situation. [/quote]
Aptitude in test taking and or the ability to retain and understand information and facts is a function of the brain and is genetic. The development of those abilities is not. That is determined by your background, poor, rich, middle class, all people fail or succeed in meeting their potential in this area due to external and sometimes internal circumstances.
I know for myself I never even considered playing quarterback when I was younger, but that was becasue I was fast, much like my other black friends if you had speed you were not groomed to play QB. I agree with you’re point in that aspect.
The wonderlic test isn’t taken into account as much as player interviews where they have them draw up plays and respond to defenses on a wipe board. Just because youre a bad test taker doesn’t mean you can’t read defenses. Check the tape as they say. That test is one of the least considered factors in drafting a player.
And yes, you don’t draft a player on a 40 time, but if a player doesnt demonstrate athletic ability on the field and in game film then you’re SOL come draft day.
Jason Sehorn was great, but you just don’t see it and it’s not because they’re not getting a fair shot.
The black and white quarterback argument goes much deeper than athletic ability and tests, it leads to so many other discussions. Compare Eli Manning’s high school to Vince Young’s and you’ll see how deep this discussion could go.
Yet in the NBA and secondary and wide reciever positions in the NFL the majority of the time whites do not have the athleticism to succeed at the highest level.
You can put a black kid in a good neighborhood with a good school and he might become a better test taker and become more intelligent and better educated.
You can’t put a white kid in a black neighborhood and assume he’ll become faster or more athletic.