Jeremy Lin

There has been quite a bit of misinformation and outright bullshit in this thread. Lin went undrafted because he was thought to be too slow and unathletic, had a shaky jumper and played with inferior comp in the Ivy league. It had NOTHING to do with his being Asian. And, he didn’t exactly set the Ivy league on fire during his 4 years at Harvard. What he’s doing now is a fucking anamoly. This isn’t high school or college, this is the big show.

And this kid, who wasn’t some 5-star can’t miss prospect, or even some diamond in the rough, but was straight up roster filler, gets ONE CHANCE to prove he belongs after being passed around like a groupie backstage at a Motley Crue, and not only shows he belongs, but detonates on the worlds biggest stage and does something NO ONE else has done since the NBA/ABA merger.

This kind of thing does not happen, but here’s this kid doing it, and being humble and gracious while having never stopped believing in himself when EVERYONE else did. Of course the crazy numbers won’t last, but he has most certainly proven he’s a starting pg in the league and made everyone who passed him up kick themselves in the ass and wonder “what if?” You need to enjoy what’s happening 'cause we won’t see anything like this again in our lifetime.

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I remember when many years ago, in an interview, regarding the lack of starting black quarterbacks in the NFL,

Charles Barkley said that there were lots of “bad” white quarterbacks starting why couldn’t there be som bad black quarterbacks starting in the league.

I agree with the sentiment of his argument.

I think if more white players were given the chance to start at positions dominated by blacks in professional sports, like point guards, cornerbacks, running backs, I think we would “discover” more than a few non-black athletes who would excel at those positions.

[/quote]

The black quarterback argument is entirely different. Blacks historically and still currently were not given the chance to play quarterback in college or in the NFL and were judged on a double standard where their mistakes or shortcomings were more scrutinized than that of their white counterparts.

Whites are given every opportunity in the world to play and succeed in every position in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. At the high school level and college if a white person demonstrates the ability to be successful at a position he is given every opportunity to compete and prove himself, they are sometimes hyped up even more by the media and coaches in hopes that they will break the trend.

The fact that you don’t see them on the professional level is because ultimately someone else proved to be faster, stronger, or more athletic than them and more times than not it is an African American.

There is no double standard against white athletes, they are given every chance to compete, if they fail it’s because they aren’t that good.

For every Steve Nash there is an Adam Morrison.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
There has been quite a bit of misinformation and outright bullshit in this thread. Lin went undrafted because he was thought to be too slow and unathletic, had a shaky jumper and played with inferior comp in the Ivy league. It had NOTHING to do with his being Asian. And, he didn’t exactly set the Ivy league on fire during his 4 years at Harvard. What he’s doing now is a fucking anamoly. This isn’t high school or college, this is the big show.

And this kid, who wasn’t some 5-star can’t miss prospect, or even some diamond in the rough, but was straight up roster filler, gets ONE CHANCE to prove he belongs after being passed around like a groupie backstage at a Motley Crue, and not only shows he belongs, but detonates on the worlds biggest stage and does something NO ONE else has done since the NBA/ABA merger.

This kind of thing does not happen, but here’s this kid doing it, and being humble and gracious while having never stopped believing in himself when EVERYONE else did. Of course the crazy numbers won’t last, but he has most certainly proven he’s a starting pg in the league and made everyone who passed him up kick themselves in the ass and wonder “what if?” You need to enjoy what’s happening 'cause we won’t see anything like this again in our lifetime.[/quote]

Sounds kinda similar to Tom Brady’s back story.

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I remember when many years ago, in an interview, regarding the lack of starting black quarterbacks in the NFL,

Charles Barkley said that there were lots of “bad” white quarterbacks starting why couldn’t there be som bad black quarterbacks starting in the league.

I agree with the sentiment of his argument.

I think if more white players were given the chance to start at positions dominated by blacks in professional sports, like point guards, cornerbacks, running backs, I think we would “discover” more than a few non-black athletes who would excel at those positions.

[/quote]

The black quarterback argument is entirely different. Blacks historically and still currently were not given the chance to play quarterback in college or in the NFL and were judged on a double standard where their mistakes or shortcomings were more scrutinized than that of their white counterparts.

Whites are given every opportunity in the world to play and succeed in every position in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. At the high school level and college if a white person demonstrates the ability to be successful at a position he is given every opportunity to compete and prove himself, they are sometimes hyped up even more by the media and coaches in hopes that they will break the trend.

The fact that you don’t see them on the professional level is because ultimately someone else proved to be faster, stronger, or more athletic than them and more times than not it is an African American.

There is no double standard against white athletes, they are given every chance to compete, if they fail it’s because they aren’t that good.

For every Steve Nash there is an Adam Morrison. [/quote]
you are wrong.

but it would be pointless to argue with you, or anybody else on the internet.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
There has been quite a bit of misinformation and outright bullshit in this thread. Lin went undrafted because he was thought to be too slow and unathletic, had a shaky jumper and played with inferior comp in the Ivy league. It had NOTHING to do with his being Asian. And, he didn’t exactly set the Ivy league on fire during his 4 years at Harvard. What he’s doing now is a fucking anamoly. This isn’t high school or college, this is the big show.

And this kid, who wasn’t some 5-star can’t miss prospect, or even some diamond in the rough, but was straight up roster filler, gets ONE CHANCE to prove he belongs after being passed around like a groupie backstage at a Motley Crue, and not only shows he belongs, but detonates on the worlds biggest stage and does something NO ONE else has done since the NBA/ABA merger.

This kind of thing does not happen, but here’s this kid doing it, and being humble and gracious while having never stopped believing in himself when EVERYONE else did. Of course the crazy numbers won’t last, but he has most certainly proven he’s a starting pg in the league and made everyone who passed him up kick themselves in the ass and wonder “what if?” You need to enjoy what’s happening 'cause we won’t see anything like this again in our lifetime.[/quote]

Great points, the fact that he is Asian is a nice side note, but it is not the entire story. He’s simply stepped up when given the chance, at no point in his past did he demonstrate the ability to do this. That is why it is a great story.

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I remember when many years ago, in an interview, regarding the lack of starting black quarterbacks in the NFL,

Charles Barkley said that there were lots of “bad” white quarterbacks starting why couldn’t there be som bad black quarterbacks starting in the league.

I agree with the sentiment of his argument.

I think if more white players were given the chance to start at positions dominated by blacks in professional sports, like point guards, cornerbacks, running backs, I think we would “discover” more than a few non-black athletes who would excel at those positions.

[/quote]

The black quarterback argument is entirely different. Blacks historically and still currently were not given the chance to play quarterback in college or in the NFL and were judged on a double standard where their mistakes or shortcomings were more scrutinized than that of their white counterparts.

Whites are given every opportunity in the world to play and succeed in every position in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. At the high school level and college if a white person demonstrates the ability to be successful at a position he is given every opportunity to compete and prove himself, they are sometimes hyped up even more by the media and coaches in hopes that they will break the trend.

The fact that you don’t see them on the professional level is because ultimately someone else proved to be faster, stronger, or more athletic than them and more times than not it is an African American.

There is no double standard against white athletes, they are given every chance to compete, if they fail it’s because they aren’t that good.

For every Steve Nash there is an Adam Morrison. [/quote]
you are wrong.

but it would be pointless to argue with you, or anybody else on the internet.

[/quote]

It’s not arguing, were having a discussion.

You cannot deny that from the 1970’s until now the landscape of the NBA and NFL changed to be predominately black because blacks proved to be more athletic. The reason that this dynamic has not changed is because that fact has not changed. It is not reverse racism.

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I remember when many years ago, in an interview, regarding the lack of starting black quarterbacks in the NFL,

Charles Barkley said that there were lots of “bad” white quarterbacks starting why couldn’t there be som bad black quarterbacks starting in the league.

I agree with the sentiment of his argument.

I think if more white players were given the chance to start at positions dominated by blacks in professional sports, like point guards, cornerbacks, running backs, I think we would “discover” more than a few non-black athletes who would excel at those positions.

[/quote]

The black quarterback argument is entirely different. Blacks historically and still currently were not given the chance to play quarterback in college or in the NFL and were judged on a double standard where their mistakes or shortcomings were more scrutinized than that of their white counterparts.

Whites are given every opportunity in the world to play and succeed in every position in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. At the high school level and college if a white person demonstrates the ability to be successful at a position he is given every opportunity to compete and prove himself, they are sometimes hyped up even more by the media and coaches in hopes that they will break the trend.

The fact that you don’t see them on the professional level is because ultimately someone else proved to be faster, stronger, or more athletic than them and more times than not it is an African American.

There is no double standard against white athletes, they are given every chance to compete, if they fail it’s because they aren’t that good.

For every Steve Nash there is an Adam Morrison. [/quote]

There is a startling amount of ‘dumb’ in this post. It’s quite clear that youre an african american but I guess it’s too much to assume that somoene claiming that blacks get the short end of certain opportunity sticks would easily see that the same exact thing happens to people of ALL races, in different areas of life.

A lot of the stuff you said in this post is simply not true. The black quarterback stuff is borderline troll talk.

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I remember when many years ago, in an interview, regarding the lack of starting black quarterbacks in the NFL,

Charles Barkley said that there were lots of “bad” white quarterbacks starting why couldn’t there be som bad black quarterbacks starting in the league.

I agree with the sentiment of his argument.

I think if more white players were given the chance to start at positions dominated by blacks in professional sports, like point guards, cornerbacks, running backs, I think we would “discover” more than a few non-black athletes who would excel at those positions.

[/quote]

The black quarterback argument is entirely different. Blacks historically and still currently were not given the chance to play quarterback in college or in the NFL and were judged on a double standard where their mistakes or shortcomings were more scrutinized than that of their white counterparts.

Whites are given every opportunity in the world to play and succeed in every position in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. At the high school level and college if a white person demonstrates the ability to be successful at a position he is given every opportunity to compete and prove himself, they are sometimes hyped up even more by the media and coaches in hopes that they will break the trend.

The fact that you don’t see them on the professional level is because ultimately someone else proved to be faster, stronger, or more athletic than them and more times than not it is an African American.

There is no double standard against white athletes, they are given every chance to compete, if they fail it’s because they aren’t that good.

For every Steve Nash there is an Adam Morrison. [/quote]
you are wrong.

but it would be pointless to argue with you, or anybody else on the internet.

[/quote]

It’s not arguing, were having a discussion.

You cannot deny that from the 1970’s until now the landscape of the NBA and NFL changed to be predominately black because blacks proved to be more athletic. The reason that this dynamic has not changed is because that fact has not changed. It is not reverse racism. [/quote]

for every Donovan McNabb there are 3-4 Byron Leftwich’s.

I can do this all day.

I will not change your mind and you will not change mine.

You are right, though, it is a discussion not an argument, that’s cool as long as it stays that way.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I remember when many years ago, in an interview, regarding the lack of starting black quarterbacks in the NFL,

Charles Barkley said that there were lots of “bad” white quarterbacks starting why couldn’t there be som bad black quarterbacks starting in the league.

I agree with the sentiment of his argument.

I think if more white players were given the chance to start at positions dominated by blacks in professional sports, like point guards, cornerbacks, running backs, I think we would “discover” more than a few non-black athletes who would excel at those positions.

[/quote]

The black quarterback argument is entirely different. Blacks historically and still currently were not given the chance to play quarterback in college or in the NFL and were judged on a double standard where their mistakes or shortcomings were more scrutinized than that of their white counterparts.

Whites are given every opportunity in the world to play and succeed in every position in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. At the high school level and college if a white person demonstrates the ability to be successful at a position he is given every opportunity to compete and prove himself, they are sometimes hyped up even more by the media and coaches in hopes that they will break the trend.

The fact that you don’t see them on the professional level is because ultimately someone else proved to be faster, stronger, or more athletic than them and more times than not it is an African American.

There is no double standard against white athletes, they are given every chance to compete, if they fail it’s because they aren’t that good.

For every Steve Nash there is an Adam Morrison. [/quote]

There is a startling amount of ‘dumb’ in this post. It’s quite clear that youre an african american but I guess it’s too much to assume that somoene claiming that blacks get the short end of certain opportunity sticks would easily see that the same exact thing happens to people of ALL races, in different areas of life.

A lot of the stuff you said in this post is simply not true. The black quarterback stuff is borderline troll talk. [/quote]

Do you have a response or are you just going to attack my intelligence.

From my earlier posts:

“A person’s inherent athletic ability and talent has nothing to do with society or upbringing, unlike a person’s development of intelligence, values, and or overall character which can be greatly effected by where you grow up and who your family and friends are.”

“You cannot deny that from the 1970’s until now the landscape of the NBA and NFL changed to be predominately black because blacks proved to be more athletic. The reason that this dynamic has not changed is because that fact has not changed. It is not reverse racism.”

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I remember when many years ago, in an interview, regarding the lack of starting black quarterbacks in the NFL,

Charles Barkley said that there were lots of “bad” white quarterbacks starting why couldn’t there be som bad black quarterbacks starting in the league.

I agree with the sentiment of his argument.

I think if more white players were given the chance to start at positions dominated by blacks in professional sports, like point guards, cornerbacks, running backs, I think we would “discover” more than a few non-black athletes who would excel at those positions.

[/quote]

The black quarterback argument is entirely different. Blacks historically and still currently were not given the chance to play quarterback in college or in the NFL and were judged on a double standard where their mistakes or shortcomings were more scrutinized than that of their white counterparts.

Whites are given every opportunity in the world to play and succeed in every position in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. At the high school level and college if a white person demonstrates the ability to be successful at a position he is given every opportunity to compete and prove himself, they are sometimes hyped up even more by the media and coaches in hopes that they will break the trend.

The fact that you don’t see them on the professional level is because ultimately someone else proved to be faster, stronger, or more athletic than them and more times than not it is an African American.

There is no double standard against white athletes, they are given every chance to compete, if they fail it’s because they aren’t that good.

For every Steve Nash there is an Adam Morrison. [/quote]
you are wrong.

but it would be pointless to argue with you, or anybody else on the internet.

[/quote]

It’s not arguing, were having a discussion.

You cannot deny that from the 1970’s until now the landscape of the NBA and NFL changed to be predominately black because blacks proved to be more athletic. The reason that this dynamic has not changed is because that fact has not changed. It is not reverse racism. [/quote]

for every Donovan McNabb there are 3-4 Byron Leftwich’s.

I can do this all day.

I will not change your mind and you will not change mine.

You are right, though, it is a discussion not an argument, that’s cool as long as it stays that way. [/quote]

I actually think Donovan McNabb and Byron Leftwich are awful. Haha

The point I was trying to make about black quarterbacks is that there are unfair stereotypes about the character and intelligence about blacks at that position that prevent them from getting a fair chance.

Unlike the NBA or other NFL positions, whites face doubts about their speed or athletic ability, not their work ethic, these factors are natural abilities unlike intelligence or character which are greatly connected to a person’s socio-economic background.

There are numerous examples we could make for or against our arguments, but the fact I’m trying to make is that if whites demonstrate a high level of athletic ability they will be given a chance to succeed.

Assuming sight unseen that a black guy is faster than a white guy is not racism, it’s following facts and trends. If the white guy proves to be better he will play, if not, he won’t.

tons of stuff i could debate with you in the above post. like I said, there is no point. I know what I know.

you will NOT suck me in! lol

oh, before you try to label me, I am Hispanic and my children’s mother is black.

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
tons of stuff i could debate with you in the above post. like I said, there is no point. I know what I know.

you will NOT suck me in! lol

oh, before you try to label me, I am Hispanic and my children’s mother is black. [/quote]

It’s cool, so you’ve got some little Arian Fosters running around your house? Haha

The quarterback debate is a unique and does lead into so many other things, but in terms of the NBA or secondary and reciever positions in the NFL I think that whites have just not demonstrated the ability to perform better than their black counterparts despite having every opportunity. It changed over time and hasn’t gone back ever since.

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I remember when many years ago, in an interview, regarding the lack of starting black quarterbacks in the NFL,

Charles Barkley said that there were lots of “bad” white quarterbacks starting why couldn’t there be som bad black quarterbacks starting in the league.

I agree with the sentiment of his argument.

I think if more white players were given the chance to start at positions dominated by blacks in professional sports, like point guards, cornerbacks, running backs, I think we would “discover” more than a few non-black athletes who would excel at those positions.

[/quote]

The black quarterback argument is entirely different. Blacks historically and still currently were not given the chance to play quarterback in college or in the NFL and were judged on a double standard where their mistakes or shortcomings were more scrutinized than that of their white counterparts.

Whites are given every opportunity in the world to play and succeed in every position in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. At the high school level and college if a white person demonstrates the ability to be successful at a position he is given every opportunity to compete and prove himself, they are sometimes hyped up even more by the media and coaches in hopes that they will break the trend.

The fact that you don’t see them on the professional level is because ultimately someone else proved to be faster, stronger, or more athletic than them and more times than not it is an African American.

There is no double standard against white athletes, they are given every chance to compete, if they fail it’s because they aren’t that good.

For every Steve Nash there is an Adam Morrison. [/quote]

There is a startling amount of ‘dumb’ in this post. It’s quite clear that youre an african american but I guess it’s too much to assume that somoene claiming that blacks get the short end of certain opportunity sticks would easily see that the same exact thing happens to people of ALL races, in different areas of life.

A lot of the stuff you said in this post is simply not true. The black quarterback stuff is borderline troll talk. [/quote]

Do you have a response or are you just going to attack my intelligence.

From my earlier posts:

“A person’s inherent athletic ability and talent has nothing to do with society or upbringing, unlike a person’s development of intelligence, values, and or overall character which can be greatly effected by where you grow up and who your family and friends are.”

“You cannot deny that from the 1970’s until now the landscape of the NBA and NFL changed to be predominately black because blacks proved to be more athletic. The reason that this dynamic has not changed is because that fact has not changed. It is not reverse racism.”
[/quote]

I specifically singled out the issue with thinking that only blacks are given fewer opportunities. That was my response.

I read those earlier posts. Id have replied to them if I wanted to.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
I remember when many years ago, in an interview, regarding the lack of starting black quarterbacks in the NFL,

Charles Barkley said that there were lots of “bad” white quarterbacks starting why couldn’t there be som bad black quarterbacks starting in the league.

I agree with the sentiment of his argument.

I think if more white players were given the chance to start at positions dominated by blacks in professional sports, like point guards, cornerbacks, running backs, I think we would “discover” more than a few non-black athletes who would excel at those positions.

[/quote]

The black quarterback argument is entirely different. Blacks historically and still currently were not given the chance to play quarterback in college or in the NFL and were judged on a double standard where their mistakes or shortcomings were more scrutinized than that of their white counterparts.

Whites are given every opportunity in the world to play and succeed in every position in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. At the high school level and college if a white person demonstrates the ability to be successful at a position he is given every opportunity to compete and prove himself, they are sometimes hyped up even more by the media and coaches in hopes that they will break the trend.

The fact that you don’t see them on the professional level is because ultimately someone else proved to be faster, stronger, or more athletic than them and more times than not it is an African American.

There is no double standard against white athletes, they are given every chance to compete, if they fail it’s because they aren’t that good.

For every Steve Nash there is an Adam Morrison. [/quote]

There is a startling amount of ‘dumb’ in this post. It’s quite clear that youre an african american but I guess it’s too much to assume that somoene claiming that blacks get the short end of certain opportunity sticks would easily see that the same exact thing happens to people of ALL races, in different areas of life.

A lot of the stuff you said in this post is simply not true. The black quarterback stuff is borderline troll talk. [/quote]

Do you have a response or are you just going to attack my intelligence.

From my earlier posts:

“A person’s inherent athletic ability and talent has nothing to do with society or upbringing, unlike a person’s development of intelligence, values, and or overall character which can be greatly effected by where you grow up and who your family and friends are.”

“You cannot deny that from the 1970’s until now the landscape of the NBA and NFL changed to be predominately black because blacks proved to be more athletic. The reason that this dynamic has not changed is because that fact has not changed. It is not reverse racism.”
[/quote]

I specifically singled out the issue with thinking that only blacks are given fewer opportunities. That was my response.

I read those earlier posts. Id have replied to them if I wanted to. [/quote]

In terms of playing quarterback it has been clearly documented by the NFL and other sources that historically and even as recently as McNabb playing at Syracuse coaches reserved the position for white players and would not even allow blacks to compete for the position ignoring any past acclompishments or proven ability soley because of their race.

A white cornerback may be ignored once he gets burned over and over again, but he will be given a fair shot. The only doubt he may face coming out of high school or college will be low level of competition being the reason for his success.

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

Apparently, statistical models have predicted Jeremy Lin’s success before the draft. Recruiting scouts for sports teams is really becoming an outdated profession. I predict in a few years, much of the drafting will be decided based on data analysis. The man deserved to be a first round draft and was overlooked due to racism.

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

I don’t think he was overlooked because he is Asian, I think he was overlooked because he played at Harvard and in the Ivy League.

I don’t like hearing about how white wide recievers and the like are overlooked in sports because of racism.

It is a clear inarguable fact that African Americans dominate athletic sports and positions. To assume that someone that is not African American may not fill that role as well as an African American person would is not racism, it is following facts.

A person’s inherent athletic ability and talent has nothing to do with society or upbringing, unlike a person’s development of intelligence, values, and or overall character which can be greatly effected by where you grow up and who your family and friends are.

Sports has and always will be the ultimate level playing field, if you can play, you can play, doesn’t matter who you are, where you’re from, or what you look like, but I’m sorry even if you are putting up numbers in the Ivy League nobody is really gonna take notice.

Name one successfull NBA player from an Ivy League school…? That’s what I thought. [/quote]

Bill Bradley is from Princeton, played for the Knicks, got the token whitey nod to the Hall of Fame. That’s one.

[quote]cct wrote:

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

Side Rant: What’s the deal with racial pride in general?

Nobody chooses their race and you certainly do not earn it on merit. So why the fuck do people in general (orientals in this case) get all riled up when they see someone who kind of looks like them achieving something?

It’s not like Asians are being held out of the NBA cuz dey b Azn.

[quote]punnyguy wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

Apparently, statistical models have predicted Jeremy Lin’s success before the draft. Recruiting scouts for sports teams is really becoming an outdated profession. I predict in a few years, much of the drafting will be decided based on data analysis. The man deserved to be a first round draft and was overlooked due to racism.

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

I don’t think he was overlooked because he is Asian, I think he was overlooked because he played at Harvard and in the Ivy League.

I don’t like hearing about how white wide recievers and the like are overlooked in sports because of racism.

It is a clear inarguable fact that African Americans dominate athletic sports and positions. To assume that someone that is not African American may not fill that role as well as an African American person would is not racism, it is following facts.

A person’s inherent athletic ability and talent has nothing to do with society or upbringing, unlike a person’s development of intelligence, values, and or overall character which can be greatly effected by where you grow up and who your family and friends are.

Sports has and always will be the ultimate level playing field, if you can play, you can play, doesn’t matter who you are, where you’re from, or what you look like, but I’m sorry even if you are putting up numbers in the Ivy League nobody is really gonna take notice.

Name one successfull NBA player from an Ivy League school…? That’s what I thought. [/quote]

Bill Bradley is from Princeton, played for the Knicks, got the token whitey nod to the Hall of Fame. That’s one.
[/quote]

Touche salesman, but he got in because he performed in his era not because he was white.

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Overhyped is certainly a term I disagree with, He is accomplishing something that has never been done in NBA history, you cannot be overhyped when you make this kind of mark. This is a kid that came from an area in California that produces very few Division 1 college talent, he came from a college that is a second thought when talking about the main sports of America. Cut twice, sent to the D league already this year almost traded for a career scrub this guy is not overhyped. Can the media machine somehow make a great story such as this and turn into something neaseating…sure, but that isnt his fault.

He has handled this situation with class and candor, FTR I am not a fan of athletes thanking God after their triumphs either, however I cannot see how you can look at this underdog of an athlete and have dislike.

Hate the game but not the player.

Your my boy J-Lin![/quote]

I’m getting my MattyXL shirt Stat.

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[quote]cct wrote:

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

Side Rant: What’s the deal with racial pride in general?

Nobody chooses their race and you certainly do not earn it on merit. So why the fuck do people in general (orientals in this case) get all riled up when they see someone who kind of looks like them achieving something?

It’s not like Asians are being held out of the NBA cuz dey b Azn.

“Hey his food is spiced the same way mine is! Go Lin!!!”

Edit: The lack of pride does not imply shame
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That was pretty racist, your intent may have been humor and I recognize that, but an Asian would hav every right to be offended.

Racial pride is simply rooted in human’s tribal mentality. We all want to find and relate to people who see the world the same way we do and people see them the same way they see us.

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]punnyguy wrote:

[quote]ZMorris83 wrote:

[quote]cct wrote:

Apparently, statistical models have predicted Jeremy Lin’s success before the draft. Recruiting scouts for sports teams is really becoming an outdated profession. I predict in a few years, much of the drafting will be decided based on data analysis. The man deserved to be a first round draft and was overlooked due to racism.

That said, I was not a fan of Jeremy Lin from the start, despite being an Asian male. Every time I talk to a friend or log onto Facebook, there are people jacking off on Jeremy Lin; this was before he started doing well. I thought they were some losers hyping up a player just because he was Asian. This one douchebag make a huge deal about how he was “Taiwanese” not “Chinese” when nobody gives a fuck. Same culture, same genetics, same language, just different politics.

Even though this guy was unfairly overlooked and happen to share my race, I still have no reason to support him. I do not believe in his pseudo-humble antics placing all the credit on “God”. Man needs to become more like Arnold: just admit that you worked hard to get there and you had some intrinsic talent. Be proud of it, publicize it, leverage it to get more money and more pussy. Seems like he didn’t learn any of the skills and pick up on the air of arrogance at Harvard. Too much of a Christian conservative and too passive and boring for me to support. Needs to become a bit more crazy like Frank Yang.[/quote]

I don’t think he was overlooked because he is Asian, I think he was overlooked because he played at Harvard and in the Ivy League.

I don’t like hearing about how white wide recievers and the like are overlooked in sports because of racism.

It is a clear inarguable fact that African Americans dominate athletic sports and positions. To assume that someone that is not African American may not fill that role as well as an African American person would is not racism, it is following facts.

A person’s inherent athletic ability and talent has nothing to do with society or upbringing, unlike a person’s development of intelligence, values, and or overall character which can be greatly effected by where you grow up and who your family and friends are.

Sports has and always will be the ultimate level playing field, if you can play, you can play, doesn’t matter who you are, where you’re from, or what you look like, but I’m sorry even if you are putting up numbers in the Ivy League nobody is really gonna take notice.

Name one successfull NBA player from an Ivy League school…? That’s what I thought. [/quote]

Bill Bradley is from Princeton, played for the Knicks, got the token whitey nod to the Hall of Fame. That’s one.
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Touche salesman, but he got in because he performed in his era not because he was white. [/quote]

Subtlety, priceless.