[quote]Veszy wrote:
very impressive amount of weight to be moving, but at the end of the day it less than 2 and half times bodyweight for him, i’d rather see an athletic 200 pound man squat 500, [/quote]
Yeah sure, and we’ll rather see a 110 lbs dude do 1000 body weight squats, right?..
[quote]Youch wrote:
wressler125 wrote:
Anyone know brent mikesell’s max before he retired???
I believe his best squat was 1141 lbs, there’s a video of it at irongame.com.
What a great lift.
Chris[/quote]
Im pretty sure actually it was 1174 or 1175 after that, and hes not quite totally “retired” he’s sure changed his training and goals and stuff, but I know after he hit the 1174 he did a steroid free and hella deep 900ish (might of been raw but my memory is REALLY fuzzy on that). You can check out all his updates on his website www.brentmikesell.com
[quote]RickJames wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
But if you ever tried to break “parallel” in double ply suit you will understand why these guys never hit a decent squat depth.
Never? I’m going to assume that was bitter hyperbole and not just idiocy.
For the others - If you can’t look at that video and tell that Lewis was at least close to parallel, then you’re blind. He could have been a little over or a little under when viewed from the side, but to not think it’s close to a legal squat means that you have no idea what a legal squat should look like. [/quote]
Bro,
I have competed in both single and double ply… and I have judged also. It would be very hard for me to hit USAPL/IPF depth in my double ply gear. Of course I barely squat over half of what he did.
Anyway, the WPO/APF squats on average are high, and if you are a world class lifter you seem to get away with even higher.
I think that is why these guy bombout on squats every other meet, it is VERY hard to use that gear and hit depth. Once you have you definately have a new understanding and respect for it.
Honestly tell me they arent high. I have lifted both and I dont think I have ever hit undeniable depth in a double ply suit.
[quote]hareboll wrote:
Youch wrote:
wressler125 wrote:
Anyone know brent mikesell’s max before he retired???
I believe his best squat was 1141 lbs, there’s a video of it at irongame.com.
What a great lift.
Chris
Im pretty sure actually it was 1174 or 1175 after that, and hes not quite totally “retired” he’s sure changed his training and goals and stuff, but I know after he hit the 1174 he did a steroid free and hella deep 900ish (might of been raw but my memory is REALLY fuzzy on that). You can check out all his updates on his website www.brentmikesell.com[/quote]
Mikesell was the real deal. There is a guy who hit depth in the squat and I believe him to have hit the best duoble ply squats yet.
[quote]Veszy wrote:
very impressive amount of weight to be moving, but at the end of the day it less than 2 and half times bodyweight for him, i’d rather see an athletic 200 pound man squat 500, [/quote]
I can never understand this whole pound-for-pound strength bullshit that people carry on about. Don’t get me wrong, I respect relative strength; but in the end the strongest man in the world is the one who can lift the most weight. Period. Even if he could only do one and a half times bodyweight, he’s still in reality stronger than the 200 pounder or even a 150 pounder squatting 500lbs. It’s not as if getting big is easy. You try putting on enough muscle to squat 1201lbs. To be the strongest, you must get big.
I Would have hated to be a side judge for this squat. I actually do understand what parallel is but it is so hard to tell if his hip joint breaks past the top of his thighs. I still find it extremely impressive.
Side would be an interesting angle. From the front and with that camera angle, the thighs look 1/2 to 1 inch above the knees. Not bad for WPO and APF contests, but no good for USAPL. Honestly, the bottom line comes down to the judges. Anyone who’s competed knows in the back of their heads if they have a judge who calls them high or loose, life is good for that day!!! All that matters the day of the show is the white lights. Not to cut on anyone, but if you haven’t been in front of the judges, then it’s tough to understand what some of us are saying.
Squats, schquats…this guy wants to impress me, he should touch his toes. 
[quote]bigjoey wrote:
Veszy wrote:
very impressive amount of weight to be moving, but at the end of the day it less than 2 and half times bodyweight for him, i’d rather see an athletic 200 pound man squat 500,
I can never understand this whole pound-for-pound strength bullshit that people carry on about.
Don’t get me wrong, I respect relative strength; but in the end the strongest man in the world is the one who can lift the most weight. Period. Even if he could only do one and a half times bodyweight, he’s still in reality stronger than the 200 pounder or even a 150 pounder squatting 500lbs. It’s not as if getting big is easy. You try putting on enough muscle to squat 1201lbs. To be the strongest, you must get big.
[/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]Viking69 wrote:
RickJames wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
But if you ever tried to break “parallel” in double ply suit you will understand why these guys never hit a decent squat depth.
Never? I’m going to assume that was bitter hyperbole and not just idiocy.
For the others - If you can’t look at that video and tell that Lewis was at least close to parallel, then you’re blind. He could have been a little over or a little under when viewed from the side, but to not think it’s close to a legal squat means that you have no idea what a legal squat should look like.
Bro,
I have competed in both single and double ply… and I have judged also. It would be very hard for me to hit USAPL/IPF depth in my double ply gear. Of course I barely squat over half of what he did.
Anyway, the WPO/APF squats on average are high, and if you are a world class lifter you seem to get away with even higher.
I think that is why these guy bombout on squats every other meet, it is VERY hard to use that gear and hit depth. Once you have you definately have a new understanding and respect for it.
Honestly tell me they arent high. I have lifted both and I dont think I have ever hit undeniable depth in a double ply suit.[/quote]
wisdom
back when i competed years ago in the old adfpa, i could hit depth with 225 in full gear. things have changed now. for a while i trained at diablo, where a lot of apf competitors trained. with todays double ply stuff, with double ply breifs added into the mix, you cannot hope to even come close to breaking paralell in anything less than a limit weight. to get the most out of your gear, and not be at a disadvantage at a meet, you have to train in gear that when put on and fitted properly it takes limit weights to get to legal depth.
if you are a 800lb squater, 4 plys of material means dick if you can get to parallel with 500lbs. so if you want 800 at a meet, you train in gear that it takes near 800lbs to get down in. as a result, depth is usually a hit or miss thing contest time, thus as you stated earlier wpo/apf guys “bomb- out every other meet”. i know a guy who wanted 760 as an opener at a meet, and in gear in the warmup room, his last warmup weight was 675, and he was at least 4 inches high with that.
that is the nature of the beast in double ply feds. you train with tons of contrast in the gym (lots of chain and or unreal amounts of band tension) to simulate the force curve of the ultra cheater gear, and try your best to estimate what you will be able to hit parallel with for a max in gear at the meet. you get to the meet, hold on to your balls, and get under the weight and go for a ride, not knowing where you are really going, LOL. it takes a lot of balls and nerve to do that imho.
[quote]
wisdom
back when i competed years ago in the old adfpa, i could hit depth with 225 in full gear. things have changed now. for a while i trained at diablo, where a lot of apf competitors trained. with todays double ply stuff, with double ply breifs added into the mix, you cannot hope to even come close to breaking paralell in anything less than a limit weight. to get the most out of your gear, and not be at a disadvantage at a meet, you have to train in gear that when put on and fitted properly it takes limit weights to get to legal depth.
if you are a 800lb squater, 4 plys of material means dick if you can get to parallel with 500lbs. so if you want 800 at a meet, you train in gear that it takes near 800lbs to get down in. as a result, depth is usually a hit or miss thing contest time, thus as you stated earlier wpo/apf guys “bomb- out every other meet”. i know a guy who wanted 760 as an opener at a meet, and in gear in the warmup room, his last warmup weight was 675, and he was at least 4 inches high with that.
that is the nature of the beast in double ply feds. you train with tons of contrast in the gym (lots of chain and or unreal amounts of band tension) to simulate the force curve of the ultra cheater gear, and try your best to estimate what you will be able to hit parallel with for a max in gear at the meet. you get to the meet, hold on to your balls, and get under the weight and go for a ride, not knowing where you are really going, LOL. it takes a lot of balls and nerve to do that imho. [/quote]
It is definately not easy. When that weight comes off the monlift most people get stuck with all the weight on their toes and get crushed the first few times they go heavy. I know I did… it is hard to learn to sit back with something you didnt walk out.
Then comes the fun part of trying to sit back with a weight that is WAY heavy while lingering somewhere in “parallel” land as the briefs and suits catch you at the bottom. And it is oh so fun putting all that poly or canvas on… maybe your balls will get cramed up somewhere you didnt know they could go.
Personally I would just rather walk it out in a pair of shorts, but you cant be competitive with anyone but yourself that way.
[quote]Viking69 wrote:
RickJames wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
But if you ever tried to break “parallel” in double ply suit you will understand why these guys never hit a decent squat depth.
Never? I’m going to assume that was bitter hyperbole and not just idiocy.
For the others - If you can’t look at that video and tell that Lewis was at least close to parallel, then you’re blind. He could have been a little over or a little under when viewed from the side, but to not think it’s close to a legal squat means that you have no idea what a legal squat should look like.
Bro,
I have competed in both single and double ply… and I have judged also. It would be very hard for me to hit USAPL/IPF depth in my double ply gear. Of course I barely squat over half of what he did.
Anyway, the WPO/APF squats on average are high, and if you are a world class lifter you seem to get away with even higher.
I think that is why these guy bombout on squats every other meet, it is VERY hard to use that gear and hit depth. Once you have you definately have a new understanding and respect for it.
Honestly tell me they arent high. I have lifted both and I dont think I have ever hit undeniable depth in a double ply suit.[/quote]
But you said these guys “never” hit depth. There is a big difference between never hitting depth and having difficulty doing it. I never said it was easy to do or that many of these guys go more than a 1/2 inch below parallel, but many people do hit legal depth in double ply gear.
The nature of the game now is to ride the line…but that happens in all sports. Look at football. All you have to do is break the plane of the endzone. Breaking the plane is the same thing as getting 4 yards deep in it, but it is riskier, as you open yourself up to bad eyesight on the ref’s part.
If you choose to use gear that makes it hard to get your opener low enough, then that’s your fault. Same thing applies to benching - if you wear a shirt so tight that you have great difficulty touching, bombing is your own damn fault. The competitive goal should be to find gear tight enough that locks up at the right time. Many people forget that you don’t have to cut the circulation off to your legs just getting into your squat suit. In fact, a lot of the top guys slip their suits on pretty easily.
[quote]kroc30 wrote:
From the front and with that camera angle, the thighs look 1/2 to 1 inch above the knees. Not bad for WPO and APF contests, but no good for USAPL.[/quote]
Remember that the rule for depth in the APF/WPO and the IPF is the same - top of the thigh where it inserts at the hip (not just the top of the thigh…that can be higher) needs to be lower than the top of the knee. That squat definitely needs to be viewed from the side to determine depth (the front angle leaves doubt). It could have gone either way. I squat with 400+ pound men, so I know how difficult judging these guys can be.
And it’s not like single ply gear is a guarantee for hitting depth either. My training partner, who is still looking for his first 600lb squat, tried on the stock Titan Centurion he ordered recently. He couldn’t get depth with 500lbs. With today’s materials, it’s more about how the suit fits you than anything. This same guy is getting a lot more out of his F6 than he is out of his Karin DD.
I’d say that was parallel, although the vid was quite dark on my computer screen.
Aren’t we having a democratic vote here?
Very strong man without any doubt. However I’d NEVER EVER WANT TO LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THAT. On top of that while I wouldn’t go out of my way to get into it with him I’m pretty damn sure he’d have NO FUCKING CHANCE OF CATCHING ME. He looks very unhealthy. Anyone who says otherwise would be foolish. Still damn impressive squat, just wonder if he has to be soo fat/sloppy to be able to pull it off?
Matt Dimel, Jon Pall Sigmarsson, Gary Aprahamian, Chuck Braxton, all of these giants died before their time. I sincerely hope Mr. Lewis will lose something like 200 or 300 lbs to stay in the game longer.
[quote]fahd wrote:
Matt Dimel, Jon Pall Sigmarsson, Gary Aprahamian, Chuck Braxton, all of these giants died before their time. I sincerely hope Mr. Lewis will lose something like 200 or 300 lbs to stay in the game longer.
[/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]WideGuy wrote:
Very strong man without any doubt. However I’d NEVER EVER WANT TO LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THAT. On top of that while I wouldn’t go out of my way to get into it with him I’m pretty damn sure he’d have NO FUCKING CHANCE OF CATCHING ME. He looks very unhealthy. Anyone who says otherwise would be foolish. Still damn impressive squat, just wonder if he has to be soo fat/sloppy to be able to pull it off?[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, have you ever done anything impressive…
Besides offer so so AAS advice on T-Mag?
Don’t forget Johnny Perry on that list of those who went too soon.