[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
sigh* same’ole bullshit from the same’ole polluting vagabond.[/quote]
You just gotta consider the source my man. He’s just entertainment for when I’m bored at work. All it is.
[quote]zerocharisma wrote:
cmon son-
no need to get all religious
jesus is kind of a busy brother
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You kill me, man. Seriously. One of these days we gotta train together.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
Are you and Sardines the same guy?
Are you suggesting that a grown man FLY to meet another grown man to have a fight over a fucking internet forum disagreement? A real, actual fight?
I have no doubt that in real life you are a total fucking pussy. Typical posturing BS. I bet you have dropped your load a thousand times in your pathetic life so far. So you act like a tough guy on T-Nation. LOL.
No grown man says this shit. Jesus.
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Direct your anger at Sardines, my dear friend. I think “zerocharisma” is being facetious. Sardines is the one that’s being a bit crazy here.
But again… I get a big kick out of the fact that I have someone who literally cries while he masturbates looking at my posts.
Just wish he was a chick instead.
And a hot one.
With big cans.
Who was hot.
and rich.
Fuck sardines he’s a fucking joke, let’s get back to arguing about glovefisting
Something I’ve been wanting to address here is that there seems to be an attitude here that fighters should not step out of their “natural” weight class. I don’t know if I agree with this, because more often than not, the “natural” heavyweights and such are just guys who ate more or were slightly taller than their peers. Obviously I’m not suggesting that someone who is 5’8 try to move up to heavyweight, the height discrepancy is just too much, but within a reasonable range, I don’t see any problem with fighters moving up in weight class when it’s done right.
Obviously in the case of someone like Toney, it’s probably the WRONG way to move up in weight, but as I said before, he was in pretty damn good shape at several points during his cruiserweight forays (a little bit of fat on the midsection notwithstanding, the dude was pretty jacked at cruiser), Toney’s problem has always been maintaining motivation and discipline. This all said, being a flabby heavyweight in no way diminished his skills or hand speed, all that was hurt was probably his endurance, but a moot point, I don’t think any heavyweight during the early 2000s could claim to have 12 round gas tanks the way the old school HWs did.
RJJ is another who moved up in weight without problems, and is probably an example of how its done right. Realistically, he wasn’t a true heavyweight in the ruiz fight, since he only weighed in at 193 lbs, but his speed, reflexes and footwork were all still on the ball all night long. If Roy is to be believed, he claims coming back down in weight took a serious toll on his well being and performance - although at 34 his reflexes were probably starting to diminish.
[quote] Aussie Davo wrote:
Something I’ve been wanting to address here is that there seems to be an attitude here that fighters should not step out of their “natural” weight class. I don’t know if I agree with this, because more often than not, the “natural” heavyweights and such are just guys who ate more or were slightly taller than their peers. Obviously I’m not suggesting that someone who is 5’8 try to move up to heavyweight, the height discrepancy is just too much, but within a reasonable range, I don’t see any problem with fighters moving up in weight class when it’s done right.
Obviously in the case of someone like Toney, it’s probably the WRONG way to move up in weight, but as I said before, he was in pretty damn good shape at several points during his cruiserweight forays (a little bit of fat on the midsection notwithstanding, the dude was pretty jacked at cruiser), Toney’s problem has always been maintaining motivation and discipline. This all said, being a flabby heavyweight in no way diminished his skills or hand speed, all that was hurt was probably his endurance, but a moot point, I don’t think any heavyweight during the early 2000s could claim to have 12 round gas tanks the way the old school HWs did.
RJJ is another who moved up in weight without problems, and is probably an example of how its done right. Realistically, he wasn’t a true heavyweight in the ruiz fight, since he only weighed in at 193 lbs, but his speed, reflexes and footwork were all still on the ball all night long. If Roy is to be believed, he claims coming back down in weight took a serious toll on his well being and performance - although at 34 his reflexes were probably starting to diminish.[/quote]
I agree that moving up in weight in not always a bad thing. I will point out that neither Roy Jones Jr. or Toney moved up to HW at a time when there was anything but a dearth of competition in the HW ranks.
Toney’s biggest win at HW was Holyfield, 2003 vintage. Jone’s big win was Jon Ruiz. Jones and to a lesser degree Toney were absolute all time greats, but as far as heavyweights go they were journeymen. Jones looked good vs. Ruiz, but I would not have liked to see him against a better fighter.
Oh, and in the interest of comedy;
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
let’s get back to arguing about glovefisting[/quote]
He was sort of slow walking his way to it, but Big_Boss was definitely getting to the topic of fisting in the other thread.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
Are you and Sardines the same guy?
Are you suggesting that a grown man FLY to meet another grown man to have a fight over a fucking internet forum disagreement? A real, actual fight?
I have no doubt that in real life you are a total fucking pussy. Typical posturing BS. I bet you have dropped your load a thousand times in your pathetic life so far. So you act like a tough guy on T-Nation. LOL.
No grown man says this shit. Jesus.
[/quote]
Direct your anger at Sardines, my dear friend. I think “zerocharisma” is being facetious. Sardines is the one that’s being a bit crazy here.
But again… I get a big kick out of the fact that I have someone who literally cries while he masturbates looking at my posts.
Just wish he was a chick instead.
And a hot one.
With big cans.
Who was hot.
and rich.
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even if I was I’d still be able to whoop your ass
[quote]Robert A wrote:
…but Big_Boss was definitely getting to the topic of fisting in the other thread.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
LOL…and you see “that room” has been quiet lately.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
…but Big_Boss was definitely getting to the topic of fisting in the other thread.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
LOL…and you see “that room” has been quiet lately.[/quote]
True enough.
I am the last one to fault methods that get results.
I need to remember that the next time Irish’s stalkers start pouring in.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Fuck sardines he’s a fucking joke, let’s get back to arguing about glovefisting
Something I’ve been wanting to address here is that there seems to be an attitude here that fighters should not step out of their “natural” weight class. I don’t know if I agree with this, because more often than not, the “natural” heavyweights and such are just guys who ate more or were slightly taller than their peers. Obviously I’m not suggesting that someone who is 5’8 try to move up to heavyweight, the height discrepancy is just too much, but within a reasonable range, I don’t see any problem with fighters moving up in weight class when it’s done right.
Obviously in the case of someone like Toney, it’s probably the WRONG way to move up in weight, but as I said before, he was in pretty damn good shape at several points during his cruiserweight forays (a little bit of fat on the midsection notwithstanding, the dude was pretty jacked at cruiser), Toney’s problem has always been maintaining motivation and discipline. This all said, being a flabby heavyweight in no way diminished his skills or hand speed, all that was hurt was probably his endurance, but a moot point, I don’t think any heavyweight during the early 2000s could claim to have 12 round gas tanks the way the old school HWs did.
RJJ is another who moved up in weight without problems, and is probably an example of how its done right. Realistically, he wasn’t a true heavyweight in the ruiz fight, since he only weighed in at 193 lbs, but his speed, reflexes and footwork were all still on the ball all night long. If Roy is to be believed, he claims coming back down in weight took a serious toll on his well being and performance - although at 34 his reflexes were probably starting to diminish.[/quote]
I could definitely see how coming down in weight caused RJJ problems. That would be very draining imo.
Don’t see many who can move up. As has been said RJJ doesn’t really count against small, immobile and weak punching Ruiz. There is a reason he didn’t move up to fight anyone else. Holyfield should have been knocked off the planet by someone like Lewis, but he did well and Lewis was/is a disgrace.
I think it is very difficult to move up to HW, you just won’t have the natural power to knock top guys out. So you need to be technically strong and defensive and mobile etc. But the reality is, versus a top HW you just have no chance. The guy is far too strong for you. Straight jab is like a fucking thuderbolt. I am talking more about the guys from the past too who were like 210-220lbs, not all the 6’8 freaks that are around now.
I have sparred guys outweighing me by maybe 20-30lbs (I am around 215 in good shape) and they punch HARD lol. Obviously I am an absolute nobody sparring other nobodies, it’s just a comment.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
even if I was I’d still be able to whoop your ass[/quote]
So you’re admitting you masturbate to my posts?
Gross.
Mike in his prime dominated, and would do so in any era we’ve seen.