This is for Irish so he doesnt have to apply his MMA filter or sit under the desk with a tinfoil hat when the “how do I get to 220lbs while doing boxing, jew jitsu and moey tai 5 nigths a week + crossfit” threads come along.
No specific topic, just discuss anything thats happening in the world of glovefisting as of late, such as…
Why is it so easy to hate Amir Khan?
Danny Jacobs is making a comeback after battling cancer, thats cool.
Clitshcko sisters are still the fight equivalent of ambien.
I think there are some interesting fights for Canelo in the next couple of years, probably at middleweight. The likes of Eubank Jr, and Ogogo in time, would make for some exciting matchups, given the skill and athleticism all posses. Obviously got a vested interest as an Englishmen, but I rate those two lads very highly.
Amir Khan is easy to hate because he has been talking about himself in the third person since he won a silver medal at the olympics. It bugs me when Floyd does it, so when a fighter like Khan does it, it drives me wild. It’s funny that he is so hateable, because as a fighter, he ought to be well liked, given his willingness to fight. The only thing I like about Khan is how often he gets punched in the face and sat on his arse.
Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury is a fight I’d really like to see happen. I think both are decent, exciting fighters, and the best hope of giving the klitschko brothers a hard time. Fury particularly, because unlike most of their opponents, he is big enough to hang with them physically.
Both of you send me your email addresses via PM - my outgoing PMs are kaput and I just wrote something about this weekend’s fight that you’ll both like.
Also, any other regulars in here, PM me your emails so I can send it along.
I would love to see Canelo fight Floyd next, as I think his size, youth and speed might give Floyd some problems. I watched Fury’s last fight against Cunningham and I was not really impressed. For a guy his size his power is mediocre and I think either Klitschko beats him pretty easily. I don’t even think he would beat David Haye.
Pending good behaviour and a bit of discipline, I can see the Mexican superfight of Canelo ws. JCC Jr. happening. That would be ridiculously marketable anywhere.
Khan seems to have removed himself from normality, with an elitist opinion of himself.
However, his vulnerability means he can be exploited by many.
This is why I cant understand the high self opinion.
I think it’s his greatest weakness. If he had more humility I believe he would work his heart out developing his defense.
The Kilitschko’s may not be popular, but they’re good for the sport on mainland Europe and I guess its not their fault they haven’t been extended???
I enjoy watching classic fights, so, if you gentlemen get around to discussing vintage fighters and their skill and technique, I would like to throw out the first two names for future discussion:
[quote]idaho wrote:
I enjoy watching classic fights, so, if you gentlemen get around to discussing vintage fighters and their skill and technique, I would like to throw out the first two names for future discussion:
Marvin Hagler
Carlos Monzon[/quote]
Hagler was a specimen. The Petronelli’s were blessed when he walked into their gym. A guy with that work ethic, natural strength and durability. That is rare.
Monzon was a great fighter.
Both in my Top5 160’s of all time
[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:
Pending good behaviour and a bit of discipline, I can see the Mexican superfight of Canelo ws. JCC Jr. happening. That would be ridiculously marketable anywhere.
Khan seems to have removed himself from normality, with an elitist opinion of himself.
However, his vulnerability means he can be exploited by many.
This is why I cant understand the high self opinion.
I think it’s his greatest weakness. If he had more humility I believe he would work his heart out developing his defense.
The Kilitschko’s may not be popular, but they’re good for the sport on mainland Europe and I guess its not their fault they haven’t been extended???
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I think Khan is shithouse simply because he hasn’t evolved as a fighter, AT ALL. He’s literally the same fighter he was an amateur, just a bit more accurate and a bit more powerful perhaps. But essentially he fights the same: happy feet and spamming combinations, no respect for what might be lurking behind those closed gloves and tight arms he so happily throws millions of punches at.
I think his “willingness to fight” is an excuse really, because everytime hes been knocked down and gotten back up, he’s been on his bike. What really gets my goad about him is he cannot seem to stop blaming everyone else for his problems, Roach said it, no trainer is going to fix what is a Khan centered problem.
That and, well, it never bodes well for your popularity if you talk shit about people and then get sparked out when its time to do the deed.
[quote]donnydarkoirl wrote:
Pending good behaviour and a bit of discipline, I can see the Mexican superfight of Canelo ws. JCC Jr. happening. That would be ridiculously marketable anywhere.
Khan seems to have removed himself from normality, with an elitist opinion of himself.
However, his vulnerability means he can be exploited by many.
This is why I cant understand the high self opinion.
I think it’s his greatest weakness. If he had more humility I believe he would work his heart out developing his defense.
The Kilitschko’s may not be popular, but they’re good for the sport on mainland Europe and I guess its not their fault they haven’t been extended???
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I think Khan is shithouse simply because he hasn’t evolved as a fighter, AT ALL. He’s literally the same fighter he was an amateur, just a bit more accurate and a bit more powerful perhaps. But essentially he fights the same: happy feet and spamming combinations, no respect for what might be lurking behind those closed gloves and tight arms he so happily throws millions of punches at.
I think his “willingness to fight” is an excuse really, because everytime hes been knocked down and gotten back up, he’s been on his bike. What really gets my goad about him is he cannot seem to stop blaming everyone else for his problems, Roach said it, no trainer is going to fix what is a Khan centered problem.
That and, well, it never bodes well for your popularity if you talk shit about people and then get sparked out when its time to do the deed.
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This is golden. I agree totally. Khan was great when he was fighting guys who had to rack up points with ‘scoring punches’ with the marked face of the glove. No doubt he has talent, but he never learned how to be a rounded fighter, rather than just a fast point scorer.
Streaming the Klitschko fight. Been a long time since I last saw him fight (Haye). I genuinely think any guy who actually came to fight would give Wladamir fits. He’s in with a guy who looks like he has been dragged in off the street, right down to the fact that he looks like he doesn’t want to have to fight he heavyweight champion of the world. I am disgusted that a lad like that gets a shot at the title. On this showing I actually reckon a fighter like Fury could beat Klitschko, which says a fuckload about the piss poor state of the division. I keep reading that the Klitschkos would have caused problems for any fighter from any era. I say fucking bullshit. I say every half decent champion over the past 100 years smashes Klitschkos head in. I don’t like hating on the guy, cos he seems like a decent bloke outside the ring. Smart, polite, humble etc.
I’m putting it out there: Wladamir will not retire as champion. One of Wilder or Fury is going to take his titles.
Curious london, where do you rank Pernell Whitaker?
He doesn’t seem to be talked much about these days I’ve noticed, shit on most forums people bring up Locche more often and fight footage of him is obscure as fuck. Yet sweet pea’s resume is, for the lack of a more powerful word, impressive. Granted I also think Mayweathers record is impressive, but Pea’s career is a laundry list of legit bad motherfuckers.
Ye I never got the appeal of Locche to be honest. To me, Sweet Pea was in a totally different class. Locke was a great defensive fighter, but not much of an all round fighter. It’s obviously much easier not to get hit when you aren’t looking to try to do too much damage in return. Whitaker wasn’t exactly a devastating KO puncher himself, but as you point out, his CV is pretty impressive. Also, although he didn’t KO all his opponents, he did often score complete shutouts against world class fighters, like Roger Mayweather for example, and plenty of other guys who were never beaten much, and certainly not stopped often. He’s like a better, more legit version of Floyd in my mind. Sweet Pea would definitely feature in my all time greats list. Locche not so much, although he was obviously a fantastic defensive fighter.
According to Bloodyelbow.com, Mayweather is fighting Canelo on 9/14. I dont know enough about Canelo to ofter any objective analysis. Is he any danger to Floyd?
[quote]idaho wrote:
According to Bloodyelbow.com, Mayweather is fighting Canelo on 9/14. I dont know enough about Canelo to ofter any objective analysis. Is he any danger to Floyd? [/quote]
I am not sure anyone is a “danger” to Floyd unless Father Time gets involved.
Pac was certainly a danger at one point. However it looks like he got old before Mayweather did, and at this point Floyd would have plenty of tape to see what works and doesn’t against him.
Saul Alvarez has heavy hands, but I haven’t seen enough of him to know if he has the footwork or angles to make that a factor against Mayweather.
If Floyd wakes up old on fight night it could get sporty. Otherwise, I think Floyd is too good at fighting, and way, WAY too good at picking opponents. Also, I am used to seeing mexican fighters fight “Mexican” and be willing to take 3-4 to land one. If the fight goes that way Floyd will eat Alarez’s lunch.
Saul Alvarez HL
His fight vs Trout(Trout being a leftie this might not tell us much)
Alvarez COULD BE a major threat to Floyd. He’s far, far larger - maybe the biggest guy that Floyd has ever faced - and he’s got that Mexican warrior mentality. Dude can punch, he can hurt you bad with one shot, and his chin is solid. That being said, his fight against Trout showed that he was willing to go for long stretches without punching - and that’s a bad thing, especially against Mayweather. It’s like sitting back on defense when you’re playing Tom Brady; every second you give him he will use to pick you apart.
The thing here is that it depends on how Mayweather decides to go about fighting him. Alvarez is too large to stand and bang with, as he did with Cotto at 154. I suspect that he’ll adopt a strategy similar to what he used against Oscar, and that’s to keep his legs moving and try and land a few hard shots every round to try and dissuade him from really stepping in. It’s going to be a duel, I believe.
One other thing is that I don’t know how much of a difference those last two pounds will make. When Margo fought Pacquaio, getting to 151 was murderous on him. Will it do the same for Alvarez? I think not, because he’s young, but who knows.
There is also the potential, as there always is when you’re 36 going on 37 - you can get old overnight. Mayweather may come in looking great, and then get caught with more shots in the third or fourth round than you’ve ever seen him take, and it could be against the very wrong fighter to do that against.
I like this fight. A lot. Alvarez is a relatively basic fighter as far as I can tell but he’s big and has a lot of physical talent. Could be a classic in the making.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Alvarez COULD BE a major threat to Floyd. He’s far, far larger - maybe the biggest guy that Floyd has ever faced - and he’s got that Mexican warrior mentality. Dude can punch, he can hurt you bad with one shot, and his chin is solid. That being said, his fight against Trout showed that he was willing to go for long stretches without punching - and that’s a bad thing, especially against Mayweather. It’s like sitting back on defense when you’re playing Tom Brady; every second you give him he will use to pick you apart.
The thing here is that it depends on how Mayweather decides to go about fighting him. Alvarez is too large to stand and bang with, as he did with Cotto at 154. I suspect that he’ll adopt a strategy similar to what he used against Oscar, and that’s to keep his legs moving and try and land a few hard shots every round to try and dissuade him from really stepping in. It’s going to be a duel, I believe.
One other thing is that I don’t know how much of a difference those last two pounds will make. When Margo fought Pacquaio, getting to 151 was murderous on him. Will it do the same for Alvarez? I think not, because he’s young, but who knows.
There is also the potential, as there always is when you’re 36 going on 37 - you can get old overnight. Mayweather may come in looking great, and then get caught with more shots in the third or fourth round than you’ve ever seen him take, and it could be against the very wrong fighter to do that against.
I like this fight. A lot. Alvarez is a relatively basic fighter as far as I can tell but he’s big and has a lot of physical talent. Could be a classic in the making.
He is NOT Guerrero.
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This sums up everything I think on this fight. I am a lot harder on Floyd than Irish is, but I would say that a good showing here would see Floyd start to move into the all time ratings at his weight. Still along way to be considered p4p top 10 in my mind, but I’ve got to give Floyd his props for taking a potentially difficult fight. That said, Floyd being Floyd, he has probably only taken the fight because he’s already worked out how he is going to win.
