[quote]Beershoes wrote:
Eh, why would I want to pay to watch some old timer get sat on for 3 rounds? Why not get a legitimate prospect in there? Why not, instead, try to get a guy like Hatton (who at least has some kick boxing experience) in the cage? Granted Hatton is a bruiser, and not a technical boxer, but still a better test of boxer vs mma fighter than a washed up old heavyweight. [/quote]
Hey maybe Ricky Fatton won’t have to make weight and have Manny beat the poo out of him,
signed
toothless British skinheads
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
Freddie Roach wanted Arlovski to go pro in boxing and said he would do well. [/quote]
That’s far from being a “great heavyweight boxer.”[/quote]
I agree just saying where he got this from.
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
[quote]Altair wrote:
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
So unless someone commits to standing and exchanging with him, he’s probably toast?[/quote]
Possibly. Although i’m willing to bet theres a couple fighters who’d give him problems in the stand up, though thats open for debate.
I’d watch it regardless.
I hope this doesn’t spark a boxing vs mma argument. I love both sports and there really shouldn’t be any comparison. Its like comparing wrestling and judo, or maths and english… why bother.[/quote]
Agreed, despite my previous comment. I think if you put a boxer in a cage, he’ll get taken out. Put an mma fighter in a boxing match, and he’ll get beat down.[/quote]
I’m going to disagree with you, seriously now.
Depending on how good the MMA fighter is in boxing(obviously), he does stand a chance of winning in the boxing ring, under boxing rules.
We have national boxing champions in my MMA team, and they did not have a previous background in boxing.
Of course, you would have to be good with your hands and put a lot of time into training your striking, I suppose.[/quote]
What national champions train or trained with your MMA team? I’m not trying to call you out, but I’m genuinely curious to see how a fighter that has to divide his time up into multiple disciplines can compete at an elite amateur level in boxing.
Perhaps its my limited experience in boxing, but even the Muay Thai guys that trained at our university boxing club (who do not have a ground game to fall back on or worry about), didn’t have as good as hands compared to the full-time boxing people.
But then again, maybe the people at your gym, team, club, or whatever could be incredibly talented, which is possible.
I’m sorry, but anyone who thinks that anyone in MMA could stand and trade with James Toney is out of their minds. Boxers box, mma fighters do a little bit of everything. I doubt anyone in MMA could hang in the ring with damn near any pro boxer, let alone Lights Out. It’s silly to think otherwise.
[quote]bbp wrote:
[quote]silkyhorse wrote:
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
[quote]Altair wrote:
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
So unless someone commits to standing and exchanging with him, he’s probably toast?[/quote]
Possibly. Although i’m willing to bet theres a couple fighters who’d give him problems in the stand up, though thats open for debate.
I’d watch it regardless.
I hope this doesn’t spark a boxing vs mma argument. I love both sports and there really shouldn’t be any comparison. Its like comparing wrestling and judo, or maths and english… why bother.[/quote]
Agreed, despite my previous comment. I think if you put a boxer in a cage, he’ll get taken out. Put an mma fighter in a boxing match, and he’ll get beat down.[/quote]
I’m going to disagree with you, seriously now.
Depending on how good the MMA fighter is in boxing(obviously), he does stand a chance of winning in the boxing ring, under boxing rules.
We have national boxing champions in my MMA team, and they did not have a previous background in boxing.
Of course, you would have to be good with your hands and put a lot of time into training your striking, I suppose.[/quote]
What national champions train or trained with your MMA team? I’m not trying to call you out, but I’m genuinely curious to see how a fighter that has to divide his time up into multiple disciplines can compete at an elite amateur level in boxing.
Perhaps its my limited experience in boxing, but even the Muay Thai guys that trained at our university boxing club (who do not have a ground game to fall back on or worry about), didn’t have as good as hands compared to the full-time boxing people.
But then again, maybe the people at your gym, team, club, or whatever could be incredibly talented, which is possible.
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Great coaches and plenty of focus on the stand-up game.
I don’t really think it’s about talent, although they all seem very good with boxing.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m sorry, but anyone who thinks that anyone in MMA could stand and trade with James Toney is out of their minds. Boxers box, mma fighters do a little bit of everything. I doubt anyone in MMA could hang in the ring with damn near any pro boxer, let alone Lights Out. It’s silly to think otherwise.[/quote]
Depends on the level of striker he’s facing.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m sorry, but anyone who thinks that anyone in MMA could stand and trade with James Toney is out of their minds. Boxers box, mma fighters do a little bit of everything. I doubt anyone in MMA could hang in the ring with damn near any pro boxer, let alone Lights Out. It’s silly to think otherwise.[/quote]
Agree with the general sentiment, but the question is whether he is “Lights Out” anymore. He is clearly not the force he once was. With that said, even at a diminished skill level, his hands are going to be outstanding and enough to give him a reasonable chance against a lower-tier fighter.
Guys, of course his skills have diminished, and chances are he’s NOWHERE near what he was. But, that doesn’t matter. Am I saying he’d win an MMA fight? No. I’m saying if any of these dudes try and stand with him they’re gonna get a concussion and possibly decapitated. Jens Pulver [who’s fought as a pro boxer and obviously as an mma fighter] tells it best-
As stated, this is a guy who’s done both and he says flat out that an mma fighter wants no part of a boxers hands. It’s two completely different levels. Toney wouldn’t challenge Couture to a wrestling match, so none of these dudes should try and box with Toney.
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m sorry, but anyone who thinks that anyone in MMA could stand and trade with James Toney is out of their minds. Boxers box, mma fighters do a little bit of everything. I doubt anyone in MMA could hang in the ring with damn near any pro boxer, let alone Lights Out. It’s silly to think otherwise.[/quote]
Depends on the level of striker he’s facing.[/quote]
I may not like Toney’s offense much anymore, he’s still as good defensively as ever though. I think he could win a boxing match against someone coming over from MMA, though I might be a little biased.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Freddie Roach wanted Arlovski to go pro in boxing and said he would do well. [/quote]
And Freddie Roach said this in the build up to an Arlovski fight, doesn’t mean it is true.
Except Arlovski had some boxing fights scheduled.
OH DEAR LORD
I don’t want to hate on James Toney too much, because I’m quite confident he could beat my ass with one hand behind his back… but damn I hope his advisors are working with him behind the scenes. I don’t think that side check kick is going to cut it…
That video represents exactly why I thinks Toney has no chance in MMA. He has no real knowledge or appreciation for the sport, he just thinks he’s going to walk in there and knock guys out. I don’t think he has really been training any wrestling or any kick defense at all. James Toney was at his best as a boxer at 160 lbs. The main reason he is a heavyweight today is because he is too lazy to keep his weight under control. He wants to try MMA because he thinks it will be easy… he has no idea what he’s getting into.
damn I’m actually getting excited if James Toney is willin to put in that work. James Toney doesn’t think it’s going to be easy he has a big mouth and always will he talks a lot of shit and his very confident in himself. Hell you need to be in a sport like that, he just struts it a lot more than some other fighters.
If James Toney could cut down to 205 (which he can) get in the gym with some real good MMA coaches, who knows maybe learn some kicks (for real in 6 months if you train hard you can have a good kick, that has KO potential…ive done it before, and someone like James Toney could easily being the athlete he is)
He would mostly need A LOT of work on takedown defence…I’m sure he’s tried it before though…it could be pretty exciting and he could do some damage if he’s smart about it.