Oh yeah Jake… I forgot you have that allegedly 400mg/ml gear.
I hope it hurts like hell.
It should, otherwise it’s fake…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wow, I’m an ass. Although seriously kid, grow up and have some sense about you.
[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
World1187 wrote:
You can just fucking leave T-Nation then.
You’re of no use here other than to act as an example of what NOT to do.
Don’t say that. I want to see this played out. This kid is not listening so don’t get upset, jut enjoy the show.[/quote]
This is exactly how I feel. It’s like this one time when my friends and I put nitrous on some shitbox Saturn. Man, that was a BLAST, literally. But for about 7 seconds it went like stink.
The reason I keep flip flopping is because I have people on both sides. Some telling me to stay with my old cycle and some telling me I only need test (like the majority of you guys). This is why I am so indecisive. I hear on one side that if I don’t take advantage of my first cycle, I will never get the same out of a second cycle. I see countless other people performing dosages much higher than mine and granted they are well beyond there first cycle, I don’t really see any of them having problems. Then I have your side that tells me I should just stick with test because I don’t know how my body will handle it. You see where I am coming from?
Anyways, this is what I have decided to do, and no you don’t have to hold me to it because I am giving you my promise. I am going back, yet again, to what I originally said.
Test-e 1mL (400mg) E3D it will be. Nothing else
My roommate is doing much less because he doesn’t want to be under any suspicion at his work.
1 egg and a piece of toast is not enough for breakfast? Well then, go eat your big ass breakfast in the morning then go train deadlifts and quads balls to the walls. Then ask yourself if you still have your f’n breakfast still in your stomach. If you trained hard enough, you wouldn’t… You see my point?
Also, if you knew so much about diet, you would know that waxy maize, under most circumstances, is far superior to dextrose or maltodextrin. Because waxy maize is considered a “high molecular carbohydrate” it is digested much faster than dextrose or maltodextrin with much less bloat.
You recommend Gatorade? High fructose corn syrup your advocating? While it isn’t that bad around training time, there are far better choices…
From the sound of it, I would think it is YOU who needs to “brush up” on there nutritional knowledge.
[quote]Corkonian wrote:
What prompted this… i can wager it is that the guy your waiting on is doing more so you decided to do it to ???
Am i right ?
Im not even going to go back over this, if you wanna fuck your physiology then its your business.
For your diet its nothing less than horrid.
If you ate properly you probably wouldnt need roids for another year or 2.
Meal 1:
1 whole sunny side up egg cooked in coconut oil
1 piece Ezekiel bread
Almond butter on bread
(THIS IS BREAKFAST ??? 1 egg, piece of bread and butter…)
(Try this: 6 WHOLE EGGS, 1 head of brocolli, 20g of whey protein and orange joice) WHEN YOU GET UP YOU NEED PROTEIN 1 EGG WONT DO IT !
Meal 2 (workout nutrition)
60g waxy maize, 30g egg white protein powder, 10g instantized BCAA’s
During workout shake
40g waxy maize, 8g hydrolyzed whey, 10g instantized BCAA’s
(OK PRE-during-POST nutrition DUMP the goddamn maize you want FAST ACTING CARBS SUGAR!!! gatorade/lucosade/dextrose/glucose, keep the powder. Swallow the 10g of BCAA’s DURING your training.)
Meal 3
5 whole sunny side up eggs cooked in coconut oil
4 pieces Ezekiel bread
smart balance butter (with flax) spread on both sides of bread
Shake
1 cup egg beaters
5 raw egg whites
3/4 cut frozen fruit
Cinnamon
(This is no later than 1 hour after training??? Why do you have 10 eggs ??? Where is your meat or fish or your veg for that matter… )
Meal 4-5 (split into two meals)
90g egg white protein powder
1 cup raw steel cut oatmeal
30g olive oil
Meal 6:
8.2 oz cooked chicken breast
1.25 cup brown rice
6oz broccoli
25g olive oil
Meal 7:
1/2 roast beef sandwich at restaurant
Small salad w/ eggs, olives, romaine letus, Italian dressing
Meal 8:
8.3oz skinless chicken breast
1.25 brown cup rice
6oz broccoli
25g olive oil
YOu know i gave up at meal 3, you have SHEDLOADS of carbs there, not enough protein during early morning when your workout is, way to little good fats… olive oil just doesnt cut it.
Go read some John BErardis stuff on here please EDUCATE yourself.
Jesus you shouldn’t be within 500 MILES of roids nevermind have them in your house.
This may sound horrible, but i would not like to see you at the end of the cycle if you make it that far. Disaster zone wont quite cover it i say.
Bushy looks fairly intelligent i asked some people over at SE to come look maybe they will tell you grow up. But we are not your parents, PLEASE come to your senses and drop everything bar test and anti- e.
or else pre-book a bed in your local hospital[/quote]
Good man. if everything was fucking easy, there would be no fun in doing i…
[quote]World1187 wrote:
Oh yeah Jake… I forgot you have that allegedly 400mg/ml gear.
I hope it hurts like hell.
It should, otherwise it’s fake…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wow, I’m an ass. Although seriously kid, grow up and have some sense about you.[/quote]
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
My roommate is doing much less because he doesn’t want to be under any suspicion at his work.
1 egg and a piece of toast is not enough for breakfast? Well then, go eat your big ass breakfast in the morning then go train deadlifts and quads balls to the walls. Then ask yourself if you still have your f’n breakfast still in your stomach. If you trained hard enough, you wouldn’t… You see my point?
Also, if you knew so much about diet, you would know that waxy maize, under most circumstances, is far superior to dextrose or maltodextrin. Because waxy maize is considered a “high molecular carbohydrate” it is digested much faster than dextrose or maltodextrin with much less bloat.
You recommend Gatorade? High fructose corn syrup your advocating? While it isn’t that bad around training time, there are far better choices…
From the sound of it, I would think it is YOU who needs to “brush up” on there nutritional knowledge.
Corkonian wrote:
What prompted this… i can wager it is that the guy your waiting on is doing more so you decided to do it to ???
Am i right ?
Im not even going to go back over this, if you wanna fuck your physiology then its your business.
For your diet its nothing less than horrid.
If you ate properly you probably wouldnt need roids for another year or 2.
Meal 1:
1 whole sunny side up egg cooked in coconut oil
1 piece Ezekiel bread
Almond butter on bread
(THIS IS BREAKFAST ??? 1 egg, piece of bread and butter…)
(Try this: 6 WHOLE EGGS, 1 head of brocolli, 20g of whey protein and orange joice) WHEN YOU GET UP YOU NEED PROTEIN 1 EGG WONT DO IT !
Meal 2 (workout nutrition)
60g waxy maize, 30g egg white protein powder, 10g instantized BCAA’s
During workout shake
40g waxy maize, 8g hydrolyzed whey, 10g instantized BCAA’s
(OK PRE-during-POST nutrition DUMP the goddamn maize you want FAST ACTING CARBS SUGAR!!! gatorade/lucosade/dextrose/glucose, keep the powder. Swallow the 10g of BCAA’s DURING your training.)
Meal 3
5 whole sunny side up eggs cooked in coconut oil
4 pieces Ezekiel bread
smart balance butter (with flax) spread on both sides of bread
Shake
1 cup egg beaters
5 raw egg whites
3/4 cut frozen fruit
Cinnamon
(This is no later than 1 hour after training??? Why do you have 10 eggs ??? Where is your meat or fish or your veg for that matter… )
Meal 4-5 (split into two meals)
90g egg white protein powder
1 cup raw steel cut oatmeal
30g olive oil
Meal 6:
8.2 oz cooked chicken breast
1.25 cup brown rice
6oz broccoli
25g olive oil
Meal 7:
1/2 roast beef sandwich at restaurant
Small salad w/ eggs, olives, romaine letus, Italian dressing
Meal 8:
8.3oz skinless chicken breast
1.25 brown cup rice
6oz broccoli
25g olive oil
YOu know i gave up at meal 3, you have SHEDLOADS of carbs there, not enough protein during early morning when your workout is, way to little good fats… olive oil just doesnt cut it.
Go read some John BErardis stuff on here please EDUCATE yourself.
Jesus you shouldn’t be within 500 MILES of roids nevermind have them in your house.
This may sound horrible, but i would not like to see you at the end of the cycle if you make it that far. Disaster zone wont quite cover it i say.
Bushy looks fairly intelligent i asked some people over at SE to come look maybe they will tell you grow up. But we are not your parents, PLEASE come to your senses and drop everything bar test and anti- e.
or else pre-book a bed in your local hospital
[/quote]
Wow, settle down Jake.
It’s humorous the way you run your mouth touting your own knowledge of things, whilst in the midst of getting/ignoring/taking the advice of so many.
Listen, with the waxy maize, yeah it's being touted as the super carrier now, but don't be too gullable. I too was fairly excited about it, and have used it. But it's not that much faster than malto/dextrose. Yes it is faster, but your reasoning shows a lack of total understanding as I read it. High molecular weight...listen quackaroo, one thing you obviously haven't realized is that if you "weigh" it down with too many substances, it's effects get negated considerably, to the point where it is now the same speed as the aforementioned, malto/dex. In other words while it can carry a small amount of extras quickly, it can't match the other two in amount carried with it at a given speed. High vs. low.
That means if you want the fast uptake, then you need to limit the added substances to just your creatine, and/or bcaa's chief. You start getting over 5-10g of additional "goodies" and you have just eliminated any special benefits of it. Think protein powder at 30g...not going to work. Do that first immediately post, then have your protein fix 30 minutes later.
I'll just leave it at that. You sound like someone who reads an article then starts quipping around like an authority on it to other people. Of course we all do that to a degree, but this is too funny.
whatever, have fun.
Yeah, genetics definitely come into play. esp. with paul anderson. That guy was built to lift heavy weights, no doubt. But, I think that the raw food merely aided these two people in their accomplishments.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Meh. I would attribute vastly superior genetics to the success of these two people, not their intake of raw foods, but I could be wrong.
If raw food works for you, then fine.
Personally, I must have consumed over 1000 raw eggs in my time, with no issues. However, raw eggs can deplete certain important nutrients, so be aware of this.
Now, regarding your cycle, I think you should just… STOP. Think. And seriously consider JUST TEST @ 500-700mg/wk.
That is all.
Bushy[/quote]
WTF now I am a quackaroo? what is that?
Your not going to tell the other guy (corkonian) to settle down, inthezone? It seems like he needs it more than me judging from his “tone” so to say. It is not that I am not willing to listen to the guy, but more a long the lines that I didn’t see him say anything that would be beneficial to me in his post. And, by coming across as an ass, didn’t solve anything (I guess I am no better aye? but this guy won’t shut up).
You’re right about the waxy maize. Some, such as justin harris, have consider it as “a bowling ball through the gut” due to its weight. I remember reading that in one article where they said that even small dosages of BCAA’s slowed down the absorption quite a bit. I didn’t really imply that too much in that post where I said “under most circumstances it’s faster,” but I did know about that.
Thing is though, I did the dextrose/maltodextrin thing for a couple of years, and it just made me boated. I know everyone is different, but I didn’t exp this with the waxy maize (I have heard this with some other people too). Also, the dextrose/maltodextrin made me real jittery. I will take your advice with making the protein amounts in my shakes smaller.
02/11/08 BW (lbs as of this morning): 182
Contrary to a lot of you are saying, further proof I need to eat more.
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
WTF now I am a quackaroo? what is that?
Your not going to tell the other guy (corkonian) to settle down, inthezone? It seems like he needs it more than me judging from his “tone” so to say. It is not that I am not willing to listen to the guy, but more a long the lines that I didn’t see him say anything that would be beneficial to me in his post. And, by coming across as an ass, doesn’t solve anything (I guess I am no better aye? but this guy won’t shut up).
You’re right about the waxy maize. Some, such as justin harris, have consider it as “a bowling ball through the gut” due to its weight. I remember reading that in one article where they said that even small dosages of BCAA’s slowed down the absorption quite a bit. I didn’t really imply that too much in that post where I said “under most circumstances it’s faster,” but I did know about that.
Thing is though, I did the dextrose/maltodextrin thing for a couple of years, and it just made me boated. I know everyone is different, but I didn’t exp this with the waxy maize. I have heard this with some other people too.
I will take your advice with making the protein amounts in my shakes smaller.[/quote]
Lol, well yeah, I'm just not paying as much attention to all of the other posters to tell you the truth. I'm just trying to give you my advice which is worth a grain of salt too really, ha..
It sounds like you've settled down again, so let's just chill, and watch the gains roll in with your simplified cycle now. I'm sure it will be plenty good enough to make you happy. Just ask guys like 5.0, Cortes, to name a couple off the top of my head.
Very important to test the waters with how your body is going to react. Always better safe than sorry.
asta,
ToneBone
02/11/08 Diet
Meal 1:
1.5 cup raw oatmeal
5 raw egg whites
1 med (~100g) banana
Cinnamon
2 small boxes raisens
Meal 2:
1.25 cup raw oatmeal
5 raw egg whites
1 med (~100g) banana
Cinnamon
1 small boxes raisens
Meal 3:
Burger (how I usually make them but only with ketchup)
Meal 4:
Burger (how I usually make them but only with ketchup)
Meal 5-6:
50g egg white protein powder
115g wazy maize
Cinnamon
Meal 7:
Burger (how I usually make them but only with ketchup)
Meal 8:
8oz chicken
20oz russet potato
6oz brocolli
Diet notes:
Being this was consider a high carb day, I didn’t get any where near the carbohydrates I needed. I was hugry all day long. If anything, I probably lost weight today.
02/11/08 Monday training
No training today. I was supposed to get up and train arms today. I got up and figured I would wait tell my roommate started pounding on my door. I didn’t want to get up as it was because I was sorer than shit. Needless to say, he didn’t knock on my door, so I just went back to bed lol. I needed the sleep though. I was still pretty damn sore today. Feels like someone hit me in the low back a few times with a baseball bat.
I was fucking stupid to go train deadlifts on sunday. I am hoping this mistake doesn’t make itself prevalent when I have to go train legs on wednesday. I hate to keep whining, but I only get to do squats once a week. That enough is hard enough for me because I love to do squats. If wednesday rolls around, and my low back is still sore, I am going to be very very pissed!
This thread hurts my head, but is also entertaining to me.
Jake, you seem to get more and more pissy every day. Chill out man, being so tightly wrapped isn’t going to help anything.
You have had a ton of the vets comment on here for your health and I applaud them for actually caring despite your thick headedness.
02/12/08 Tuesday training
Military press warm up
Barx12
95x1x10
Rack Military press (below half hay to lockout pin 13 down)
135x8
175x5
185x5 (little help on last one)
DB military partials
35x8
15 (or around) top potion
20 bottom portion
35x8
10 top portion
15 bottom potion
30x1x8
10 top portion
30 bottom potion
DB upright rows partials
20x8
20 top portion
20 bottom portion
25x8
20 top portion
15 bottom portion
20x8
30 top portion
20 bottom portion
Shrugs (1.5 second hold at top)
315x12
335xx12
Rest pause set (8-10 sec rest)
225x12
225x10
225x8
DB Seated lateral raise
15x1x10
10x2x12
DB bent over lateral raise (slow with 3-4 second pause at top)
10x2x10
10x1x8
Spread eagle situps (plate held above head on gym floor w/ legs under power rack spread to sides on power rack)
45x3x15
AB crunch machine situps
BWx30
Then right after
BWx30 with legs crossed in air
Training notes:
Workout went great. My shoulders were so sore half the times I couldn’t even write straight in my training log. Since my arms are like 10 feet long, I have a very hard time with the DB seated lateral raises. When we got to bent over lateral raises, my shoulders were pretty much fatiguing on every rep of my last set and I couldn’t get full range of motion.
There were a few powerlifters training in my gym today, and one of them commented on how stong my core must be to be able to pump of situps like that. I have always been strong on situps. I guess having a short torso helps out quite a bit.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Ditch the ab cradle Jake. It is an ineffective way to train core musculature, only working the rectus abdominus, and that only poorly.
Cable woodchops, weighted swiss ball crunch, hanging leg raise with/without twist, dragon flags, barbell rollouts, reverse crunches (superstrict), etc, etc.
Bushy[/quote]
I didn’t want to do it! But my roomate insisted. I must admit though, since we did it without much rest after those spread eagle situps, I had trouble even flexing my abs. By the time I was done with those crunches, I was so out of breath I couldn’t stand (due to ab fatigue).
I am going to have to start doing those dragon flangs. I have heard good things about them. I used to do the barbell rollous too. I forgot about those.
is there going to be any AAS use in this log? or is it just a training log in the wrong forum? Just curious.
[quote]D3HT09 wrote:
is there going to be any AAS use in this log? or is it just a training log in the wrong forum? Just curious.[/quote]
No, but the discussions that have been carried out thus far in this thread make it “steroid thread” material. This thread will mainly be used to keep track of my progress before my cycle as I have stated.
02/12/08 diet (will update as day progresses)
Meal 1:
3 whole eggs
3 pieces Ezekiel bread
Smart balance butter
Cayenne pepper
Shake
3 raw eggs
1 cup egg beaters
3/4 cup frozen strawberries
Cinnamon
Meal 2 (PWO meal):
8oz raw turkey breast
8oz russet potatoes
Meal 3:
Big ass breakfast burrito at a restaurant w/:
Eggs
Sausage
Bacon
Avocado
Bunch of other good shit
Meal 4:
8oz raw turkey breast
6oz broccoli
6oz russet potatoes
23g EV olive oil
Spices
10x1g fish oil caps
Meal 5
8oz raw turkey breast
6oz broccoli
1.25cup brown rice
25g Macadamia nut oil
Spices
10x1g fish oil caps
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
02/12/08 diet (will update as day progresses)
Meal 1:
3 whole eggs
3 pieces Ezekiel bread
Smart balance butter
Cayenne pepper
Shake
3 raw eggs
1 cup egg beaters
3/4 cup frozen strawberries
Cinnamon
Meal 2 (PWO meal):
8oz raw turkey breast
8oz russet potatoes
Meal 3:
Big ass breakfast burrito at a restaurant w/:
Eggs
Sausage
Bacon
Avocado
Bunch of other good shit
Meal 4:
8oz raw turkey breast
6oz broccoli
6oz russet potatoes
23g EV olive oil
Spices
10x1g fish oil caps
Meal 5
8oz raw turkey breast
6oz broccoli
1.25cup brown rice
25g Macadamia nut oil
Spices
10x1g fish oil caps[/quote]
Just wondering if there's any reason on Gods green earth we need to see your daily diet breakdown, continually every single day Jake. We get it by now. Just let us know you ate today eh? Raw and all, we definitely get it ok?
Jesus...this is the most amazing thread ever in the steroid forum. With all the posting you get, you'd think you discovered a successful oral based testosterone delivery system or something.
I'm honestly puzzled at the hysteria and curiosity. Ha, haaaa.....Wow!
Nice chatting w/you bro, can't wait to see what's up tomorrow!!
TBN