Date Started: 5/9/2005
Height 6-1 weight 161
Mon- 1cc of Test 250
tues na
Wed- 1cc of Winstrol
thur na
Fri- 1cc of Test 250
sat na
sun na
Im doing this cycle for the next 5 weeks. any suggestions would be quite helpful
Don’t do this cycle! I know absolutely nothing about steroids, like yourself, and I can tell this is a dumb cycle. Maybe you should not worry about drugs, and focus on nutrition and lifting heavy weights for a while. At 6’1 and 160 lbs. I doubt you have reached a point in your training and diet to justify a cycle of steroids.
[quote]ponym098 wrote:
Date Started: 5/9/2005
Height 6-1 weight 161
Mon- 1cc of Test 250
tues na
Wed- 1cc of Winstrol
thur na
Fri- 1cc of Test 250
sat na
sun na
Im doing this cycle for the next 5 weeks. any suggestions would be quite helpful[/quote]
Bro, I am hoping that is a typo on your part, because 161lbs. is way too small to cycle-especially on someone who’s 6’1"…I’m actually wondering if you’ve even worked out before? At least naturally get up to ~185 before embarking on the juice. Just my thoughts.
MK
Did anyone else notice he allready started this cycle?
So its to late to talk him out of it or advice him on changes…
dude I hope you got the proper meds for coming of the cycle…
J is right…this guy already started. The worst part is he listed no anti-e’s.
My only suggestion is to stop right now with the cycle and go find some nolva and start on that before you ruin your self.
DA
This has to be a joke?
how much should I weight before I start on the juice
more importantly than how much you weigh before you start how long have you been training and dieting correctly most importantly HOW OLD ARE YOU!?!?!?! and why did you start a cycle without knowing what to do man and without anti-Es on hand they will save you some serious problems
The logic behind waiting to use anabolics is this: If you can’t gain naturally, you won’t keep anything after your steroid cycle. You need your training and diet dialed in before you use steroids because you won’t keep any gains after a cycle if you can’t build naturally. Additionally, if either of these are not dialed in, you may not even make much gains while on cycle because you still don’t know how to build muscle.
When you have trained long enough to know your body, know what it can do, know what it can take, and know how to keep solid gains, then anabolics become a viable option. If I was you, I wouldn’t waste the money on steroids at this point, I’d spend it on food, creatine/glutamine and multivitamins.
I’ve gained 6lbs already with this cycle I took the wintrol off an decided to use the winstrol later.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
In my humble opinion this cycle sucks -who designed it? No offence if it’s your own design… LOL.
What exactly do you think 1cc (100mg) of winstrol / week will do for you? Do you understand the concept of half-lives? And that winny needs to be injected at least every other day…
Dude, my second observation is that you weigh 170 lbs - yet you are 6’1". There is an alternative to steroids that is equally (some would say more) powerful…Its called food - eat much?
Sorry to sound so negative but this is a bizzarrly thought out cycle…and I don’t think you even need to consider AAS for at least 40lbs or so…
bushboy[/quote]
Right on all points except one. 100mg of Winny can actually be a great cycle for the beginner. It’s too easy to get all caught up on the half life issues and some such. Truth is, we are just fooling ourselves into thinking we know exactly how our body functions, and we’re very hazy on this in our current state of medicine. I speak from experience where we did cycles of 50mg of winny injected on Mon and Thrs. This resulted in a 8-10 lb gain for a first timer. All lifts were up 15% in 5 weeks and 3/4 inch per arm. Low dosing works, period. People just never try it and blow themselves out with mega dosed front loaded cycles. We also had great gains from 100mg of Primo/wk for 7 weeks, 5 lbs of pernmanent size and ZERO sides.
This young man will most likely use the compounds he has. This will be a case of him reading boards until he finds what he wants to hear. So i would suggest he cleans up his diet, then work on a routine that will give him consistant strenght gains, THEN try a very small dosed cycle and see how he responds, taking note of all possible sides. Move on from there.
But again i have seen 10lb gains in 5 weeks with two 50mg injections of winny to rookie users, that WERE training for a couple of years.
[quote]ponym098 wrote:
I’ve gained 6lbs already with this cycle I took the wintrol off an decided to use the winstrol later.[/quote]
You should have done more research. You jumped the gun on this one kid. You’re way too light and small to cycle. I see this everday. You should have studied lifting more and you could have gained muscle like you were juicing without juicing for the next 20-30 lbs. Now your workouts will never be the same in the future and you’ll end up quitting it all together in the ner future or fall into psychological AS addiction and become a user for Years or even a decade. You never built a foundation of lifting habits, eating habits or not to mention learning your body’s nutrition requirements or recovery abilities. I would suggest you quit while ahed, AS are no short cut, don’t let temporaty water gains in your muscle bellies fool you.
[quote]ponym098 wrote:
Date Started: 5/9/2005
Height 6-1 weight 161
Mon- 1cc of Test 250
tues na
Wed- 1cc of Winstrol
thur na
Fri- 1cc of Test 250
sat na
sun na
Im doing this cycle for the next 5 weeks. any suggestions would be quite helpful[/quote]
I had to jump on this right away. Why would you possibly use any steroids at 6’1 and 161?!! Lift heavy. Eat big. After adding 80-100 pounds consider using a well-planned cycle.
[quote]JNeves wrote:
Did anyone else notice he allready started this cycle?
So its to late to talk him out of it or advice him on changes…
dude I hope you got the proper meds for coming of the cycle…[/quote]
I missed this. I just saw the stats and went, “Holy shit!” I don’t know enough about steroids to give advice. I’ll step out and let people who do advise about how to best deal with this cycle. I wouldn’t do another one for quite some time…
I don’t really understand the posts saying wait 20-30 lbs either. You guys think steroids are a viable option for someone who weighs 180-190 at 6’1? Plenty of guys who don’t lift whatsoever are here. I’m 5’7 and in the 170s and bulking (naturally). I don’t know how big I want to get or that I would ever use steroids. But if I did, I wouldn’t start until I was already pretty big without them.
I highly doubt most people on T-Nation or any other board waited to gain 80-100lbs before they started steroids. I surely did not. Before I started lifting I weighed about 160lbs, and I began my first and only cycle at 205lbs. I am 5’10. I am now hovering around 220lbs.
That’s not to say that this kid shouldn’t wait, because he obviously should have.
lift till ya cant make anymore gains. Sell the winstrol. Do the test once a week for 10 weeks. At 12 weeks watch your gains go back down the tubes.