Well, I am following something close to a westside type of training. As you may or may not know, this type of training has yielded many of the strongest lifters in the world. I know this works and works very well. Sure it isn’t all that “bodybuilding” oriented, but I have seen many people who follow it that have incredible builds, not to mention their lifting numbers. Granted, there are some powerlifters that are complete fat asses (like me, haha) that follow it, but that is all diet right there.
WBB training, eh?
Weird, I have never heard of doing only preacher curls and then that ridiculous set scheme of pullups or whatever.
Interesting.
World
Today was more an accessory training day. But, since you don’t really train this way, I suppose you wouldn’t know. There is nothing really set in stone about training like this. Yeah there are ME, DE, rep, accessory, assistance, and of course, off days, but no “set” template to say like you follow.
I actually know quite a bit regarding WBB training Jake, don’t try and cut me short.
I’ve been in this game a damn lot longer and know a damn lot more than you ever will because of the fact I am willing to shut the fuck up, listen, and learn.
You need to do the same. The last time you did, good things happened.
World
I am not backing down, so I apologize if I let you down. You’re wasting your efforts.
[quote]World1187 wrote:
I actually know quite a bit regarding WBB training Jake, don’t try and cut me short.
I’ve been in this game a damn lot longer and know a damn lot more than you ever will because of the fact I am willing to shut the fuck up, listen, and learn.
You need to do the same. The last time you did, good things happened.
World[/quote]
Shit, things were going so good for a while too.
I guess it’s true, you can lead a horse to water but…
ToneBone
“You can lead a mule to water, but you can’t make him drink.”
You need to reassess your thinking more than your workout regiment. If you were as close minded as you are being right now, a lot of things such as: working out, cutting fat, dieting, and steroids wouldn’t of even had a minute chance of entering your realm of thought. Seriously, these guys are trying to help you. Some are a lot bigger and a lot stronger than you, and that gives them room to talk. If they were not as big as you or strong as you, well then, you could do what you please. It is not always the case that being big and strong will mean they know what they are talking about, but after a certain point of strength and size, it would have to make sense. No way would you see Mr. Ronnie Coleman be as big as he is now without taking advice and knowledge from others about lifting, eating, steroids, and other miscellaneous things. Take the advice, it will workout for you. I would say, for the sake of argument here, go with the majority. It’s not always the case, but in this situation it is.
It is not that I am not willing to listen to people. It is merely the fact I have already decided what I plan to do training wise and this thread is to carry it out.
You know what, my training has become a mute point for discussion from here on out. This thread is to discuss my cycle itself. If I wanted training analysis, I would have posted it in the bodybuilding or strength sports forums. This is not my last cycle, and I have plenty of time to experiment with things in the future; so please relax people.
Wednesday 03/18/08 Day 3
Bodyweight today (lbs): 177.6
Bodyweight yesterday (lbs): 173.8
Notes:
Must have been all those venison tacos last last night that I consumed that accounts for the reason why my weight is up. I still feel somewhat full this morning!
On another note, my ass is becoming a REAL pain. Can I ice this thing, or would that be a bad idea?
Next injection is tomorrow, and I was planning on using a 23g needle to draw/inject to not only see the difference between the two (20g drawing needle, and 25g injection needle), but also because I have a huge box full of 23 needles/syringes that I don’t want to waste.
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
It is not that I am not willing to listen to people. It is merely the fact I have already decided what I plan to do training wise and this thread is to carry it out.
You know what, my training has become a mute point for discussion from here on out. This thread is to discuss my cycle itself. If I wanted training analysis, I would have posted it in the bodybuilding or strength sports forums. This is not my last cycle, and I have plenty of time to experiment with things in the future; so please relax people.[/quote]
Maybe you should think about not posting training then at this point, as it tends to bring comments by the mere fact that it’s right there for everyone to see.
At least maybe not as specific as you've been with it. A more general analysis might help keep the critiquing at a minimum. Just a thought, and these comments as you know are only meant to help, not hinder you in any way. I hear you though, and will refrain from advising anymore as you are a big boy and are perfectly capable of making these decisions yourself. Just remember though, you make your bed and have to lie in it at the end of the day.
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
Wednesday 03/18/08 Day 3
Bodyweight today (lbs): 177.6
Bodyweight yesterday (lbs): 173.8
Notes:
Must have been all those venison tacos last last night that I consumed that accounts for the reason why my weight is up. I still feel somewhat full this morning!
On another note, my ass is becoming a REAL pain. Can I ice this thing, or would that be a bad idea?
Next injection is tomorrow, and I was planning on using a 23g needle to draw/inject to not only see the difference between the two (20g drawing needle, and 25g injection needle), but also because I have a huge box full of 23 needles/syringes that I don’t want to waste.[/quote]
Should be fine Jake, that’s what I draw with, and if the oil is heated it goes up fine. I put the vial in very hot tap water in a glass, shower, then give it a fresh blast one more time of hot water, and inject after a few more minutes of soaking.
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
Wednesday 03/18/08 Day 3
Bodyweight today (lbs): 177.6
Bodyweight yesterday (lbs): 173.8
Notes:
Must have been all those venison tacos last last night that I consumed that accounts for the reason why my weight is up. I still feel somewhat full this morning!
On another note, my ass is becoming a REAL pain. Can I ice this thing, or would that be a bad idea?
Next injection is tomorrow, and I was planning on using a 23g needle to draw/inject to not only see the difference between the two (20g drawing needle, and 25g injection needle), but also because I have a huge box full of 23 needles/syringes that I don’t want to waste.[/quote]
You are taking test-400, right? It’s gonna hurt at first. Actually, your body will probably adapt to the pain, but in the meantime, yeah, it’ll take a little getting used to. It’s not the needle, it’s the new compound you are introducing into your body. It’ll subside a bit.
Jake, all of my injections sites hurt up until the latest one which was number 7. Oddly enough it was the most test to 450mg in one shot.
I have tried Ventro (Bleeds like hell every time)
I have tried side of quad, (Bleeds like hell every time)
I now just go straight front to back into the largest head of the quad, and I have yet to see any issues with this site.
If your arse is aching by all means use ICE, or a heating pad or alternate. Heating pad works best for me.
My two cc’s
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Jakebambeeno wrote:
Wednesday 03/18/08 Day 3
Bodyweight today (lbs): 177.6
Bodyweight yesterday (lbs): 173.8
Notes:
Must have been all those venison tacos last last night that I consumed that accounts for the reason why my weight is up. I still feel somewhat full this morning!
On another note, my ass is becoming a REAL pain. Can I ice this thing, or would that be a bad idea?
Next injection is tomorrow, and I was planning on using a 23g needle to draw/inject to not only see the difference between the two (20g drawing needle, and 25g injection needle), but also because I have a huge box full of 23 needles/syringes that I don’t want to waste.
Should be fine Jake, that’s what I draw with, and if the oil is heated it goes up fine. I put the vial in very hot tap water in a glass, shower, then give it a fresh blast one more time of hot water, and inject after a few more minutes of soaking. [/quote]
Yeah, its test-400. Good idea about submerging it in hot tap water. Since the top of the vial should reseal itself, do I have to worry about water getting in?
I will just suck up the pain and deal with it. I am a little hesitant to ice it because I don’t know if this will effect how fast the compound is absorbed into my body.
Also, I do plan to keep an accurate training log because I think it is important to this thread. I just won’t comment on discussion of it.
[quote]Randizo wrote:
Jake, all of my injections sites hurt up until the latest one which was number 7. Oddly enough it was the most test to 450mg in one shot.
I have tried Ventro (Bleeds like hell every time)
I have tried side of quad, (Bleeds like hell every time)
I now just go straight front to back into the largest head of the quad, and I have yet to see any issues with this site.
If your arse is aching by all means use ICE, or a heating pad or alternate. Heating pad works best for me.
My two cc’s[/quote]
Yeah again Jake, try really heating the oil up well. I noticed a substantial difference between conservatively heating the oil prior to injec, and heating the crap out of it. The latter kicking butt all over the first method.
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Jakebambeeno wrote:
Wednesday 03/18/08 Day 3
Bodyweight today (lbs): 177.6
Bodyweight yesterday (lbs): 173.8
Notes:
Must have been all those venison tacos last last night that I consumed that accounts for the reason why my weight is up. I still feel somewhat full this morning!
On another note, my ass is becoming a REAL pain. Can I ice this thing, or would that be a bad idea?
Next injection is tomorrow, and I was planning on using a 23g needle to draw/inject to not only see the difference between the two (20g drawing needle, and 25g injection needle), but also because I have a huge box full of 23 needles/syringes that I don’t want to waste.
Should be fine Jake, that’s what I draw with, and if the oil is heated it goes up fine. I put the vial in very hot tap water in a glass, shower, then give it a fresh blast one more time of hot water, and inject after a few more minutes of soaking.
Yeah, its test-400. Good idea about submerging it in hot tap water. Since the top of the vial should reseal itself, do I have to worry about water getting in?
I will just suck up the pain and deal with it. I am a little hesitant to ice it because I don’t know if this will effect how fast the compound is absorbed into my body.
Also, I do plan to keep an accurate training log because I think it is important to this thread. I just won’t comment on discussion of it.[/quote]
Fair enough on the log training.
Yeah I didn’t mention that, I wouldn’t completely submerge it if I was you. Just get a good 2/3 of it under the water and you’ll be right as rain.
03/19/08 training
None. Tomorrow will be ME bench & triceps. I plan to start doing low intensity cardio in the morning from here on out if i can. The interval training after leg days has been working well in that I notice it helps with recovery.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Yeah again Jake, try really heating the oil up well. I noticed a substantial difference between conservatively heating the oil prior to injec, and heating the crap out of it. The latter kicking butt all over the first method. [/quote]
Funny, you are probably onto something, Tone, because I recently heard another guy on a different board say that this was his secret to shooting prop with zero pain at injection or the next day. He said he would get the oil extremely hot (I think he mentioned something about boiling water) and then shoot it thereafter. I have no problem at all, myself, just putting the bottom of the vial in a shallow glass of pretty hot water.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Yeah again Jake, try really heating the oil up well. I noticed a substantial difference between conservatively heating the oil prior to injec, and heating the crap out of it. The latter kicking butt all over the first method.
Funny, you are probably onto something, Tone, because I recently heard another guy on a different board say that this was his secret to shooting prop with zero pain at injection or the next day. He said he would get the oil extremely hot (I think he mentioned something about boiling water) and then shoot it thereafter. I have no problem at all, myself, just putting the bottom of the vial in a shallow glass of pretty hot water. [/quote]
A lot of heat is lost when the oil is drawn through the needle into the syringe so you would need to heat it again. I run very hot water over the filled syringe for about 5 min prior to injecting. I never used boiling water and I would be careful about that I mean you don’t want your leg turning into the Sunday roast do you?
Crashball
Thursday 03/20/08 Day 4
Bodyweight today (lbs): 179.0 (after dump)
Bodyweight yesterday (lbs): 177.6
Bodyweight 2 days ago (lbs): 173.8
Notes:
Besides weight gain, everything else has been normal, and I haven’t really noticed anything yet. Sleep, appetite, energy, and libido have been normal.
Injection muscle is still sore. I can’t sleep on my side, and I have to be careful not to put any weight on it or get up too fast from a sitting getting position.
Today is my second injection, and I will be using a 23g to draw/inject. I plan to heat up the oil much more before injecting. I am a little worried to heat up the oil too much because I don’t know if this will change its integrity.
I also plan to start getting more consistent with my supplement intake. I have only been taking supplement on training days, but I think I could benefit from bcaa’s and creatine on my off days too.